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1994 Morgan +4 starter motor #170796
13/12/13 03:40 PM
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Can anyone help with an alternative starter motor for my 1994 Morgan +4 all std with the Rover Tomcat engine. I would like to fit a high torque starter motor. Having been told the wrong type 5 times so far by suppliers I need to know the correct standard starter for the car.
Its fitted with a Magneti Marelli Type M79(0.9), Model 26627D made in 1998, so far I can't even trace this or a std equivalent on the internet. Can any one suggest an alternative make and or model number please?


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Re: 1994 Morgan +4 starter motor [Re: WOX9] #170827
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Re: 1994 Morgan +4 starter motor [Re: WOX9] #170840
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Ask Tim or Darren at New Elms - they've fitted a few Hi-Torque starters over the years and should know! smile


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Re: 1994 Morgan +4 starter motor [Re: GerryWal] #170873
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Originally Posted By GerryWal

Re: 1994 Morgan +4 starter motor [Re: WOX9] #171202
16/12/13 03:24 PM
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Tks all
Since Friday another 3 suppliers have come with zero or wrong info. Powerlite was the first I went to at the classic car show, they had 4 guys, all who came up with different number, even looked at my car on the Dream Rides stand (it was the light green + 4 if anyone was there), then sold me one, it turned out to be nothing like when I took the old one off.
The RAC 409 seems close, but not exact.
Powerlite are still trying and have all the details, they seem a good company and are local to me, he ho lets hope...


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Re: 1994 Morgan +4 starter motor [Re: WOX9] #171524
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Problem solved but its good news / bad news....
Bad news is that these starter motors were a special model built for Morgan in the 1990's and are not fitted to any other vehicle, I think the rotation is opposite to the ones used in the std Rover 800 T16 engines. Also this means that a Hi Torque one is not available off the shelf.
Slightly better news - Powerlite will build one if needed, though at a price..
Even slightly better news - they can of course be rebuilt.
Finally the good news - they are available off the shelf at the Morgan factory and no doubt through dealers. I called in there yesterday quoted the engine number and within 3 minutes I had a new one. I was told the factory modified them a little but didn't know how, I believe it to be a slightly and crudely (even by Morgan standards) modified and extended power connector on the solenoid.
So if you need one grab them whilst they are still around...


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Re: 1994 Morgan +4 starter motor [Re: WOX9] #171584
19/12/13 01:24 AM
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Very useful info WOX9 - thanks.


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Re: 1994 Morgan +4 starter motor [Re: WOX9] #272931
06/05/15 09:30 PM
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Hi
Had a similar issue on my 1990 m16 plus
Solution is rather odd in that the starter is actually from a Leyland sheep's van - the location holes are slightly narrower than the rover 800 unit
Might help


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Re: 1994 Morgan +4 starter motor [Re: WOX9] #272932
06/05/15 09:31 PM
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That would be sherpa not sheep. Illiterate autocorrect


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Re: 1994 Morgan +4 starter motor [Re: Fossey] #272937
06/05/15 10:12 PM
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I dunno, I like the sound of a Sheep Van.


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Re: 1994 Morgan +4 starter motor [Re: WOX9] #273077
07/05/15 03:23 PM
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Yes, me too!!


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