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The need for side impact protection? #194486
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Over a decade ago Caterham started using lightweight aluminium honeycomb panels in the side of their cars.

Our little car does not appear to have this between the inner panel and the outer skin, but, should this be fitted in an attempt to at least reduce the injury caused, should the worst happen?

Oh, yes, and for those of you who are just about to say that it would not help much if a truck T boned the car, please don't, there are other things that could happen, such as spinning on a roundabout, diesel spillage say, and hitting a lamp post, where some side impact protection, could well save the pain and inconvenience of a broken hip, which happened to the previous owner, [well actually his passenger suffered the broken hip] of my first ever Lotus Seven S3, back in the mid '80's.

Here is just one website of many people selling the stuff: http://www.easycomposites.co.uk/Category/Core-Materials/Aluminium-Honeycomb.aspx



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Gives a whole new meaning to a crunchie
I think with the 3W the golden rule as on a motorbike is
DONT CRASH
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Originally Posted By Matty
Gives a whole new meaning to a crunchie
I think with the 3W the golden rule as on a motorbike is
DONT CRASH
smile


Looking at the size of mine, examining the frame and thinking on points of impact and crush zones, I've just told my daughters that if I am in a crash in this thing and it is verily terminal, just dig a bigger hole and dump the whole thing with me in it. Saves the price of a coffin as well as the cost in extracting self from a tight ball of bent metal! I'm conflicted. That is almost a cheerful thought!


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Ditto

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PaulJ it's a little late to be worrying about crash protection now you've bought the thing.

I'm with the rest of you if you're going to go, do it with a smile on your face, or flies in your teeth.

I work in a high risk industry with health and safety coming out of my ears on a daily basis. Sometimes you have to live a little dangerously otherwise you wouldn't get out of bed.


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Yes Then ElfnSafety is present 24 hours a day at work and I glad it does not sleep. however I'm never looking for the dozens who tell me that I cannot do something. I am looking for the one who can tell me how to do it safely!

Drive safely just inside the lints at times and enjoy.


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Oh, John, you're so negative some times. What about my true scenario? Slippy roundabout - lampost - broken hip or just bruises and damaged pride because the owner bothered to put a bit of honeycomb down the side? The big one will always be big, and luck will come into it, but it's sometimes small silly incidents which can catch us out.


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Originally Posted By asbojohn
PaulJ it's a little late to be worrying about crash protection now you've bought the thing.

I'm with the rest of you if you're going to go, do it with a smile on your face, or flies in your teeth.

I work in a high risk industry with health and safety coming out of my ears on a daily basis. Sometimes you have to live a little dangerously otherwise you wouldn't get out of bed.

I tend to agree.
Although Morgans have proved to be quite durable in certain circumstances (e.g the Luther Blissett role accident at Silverstone) they are not the most robust of designs against side impact, or indeed a rear end shunt, etc.
So, surely the time assess your perception and acceptability (or otherwise) to the risk of driving a Morgan (of all types, really) should be at the time of purchase. Having decided that you are willing to accept the risks in order to enjoy the pleasures of the marque, you can then to some extent mitigate said risks during ownership by how, when and where you drive it. But, retrofitting SIP (or expecting Morgan to develop and fit systems at build) to a range of open topped, low sided, classically styled vehicles is a bit of a non starter really... IMHO of course smile

Oh BTW swmbo feels much more comfortable in our Plus 4 with the side screens on, it makes all the difference you know wink

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Sorry Philip, I just don't understand why things like this can't be improved over time by the owner, or of course better still, the factory. Just because one has chosen such a car, doesn't mean that you have to accept lower standards of passive safety than are available. I'm not talking airbags etc, but something as easy and cheap as Honeycomb, to me, is a no brainer. Yes, learn to drive better, and be aware when driving of the susceptibility to injury - of course, but always be open minded about other stuff too.

Watch this space...........


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I hope no one from TRL is reading this. Does anybody remember them recommending compulsory leg protectors on motorbikes etc. Heaven forbid they ever get their grubby mitts on a Morgan.
I bought a three wheeler precisely because of the lack of modern contrivances.
Gave up motorcycling after 35 years to fund the 3W so it seems safe as houses to me.
I too spend every day working in an organisation obsessed with trivial health and safety concerns. When I get home I'm looking forward to taking some risks.
BTW, has anybody else noticed that everyone on the road seems to slavishly obey speed limits these days. Some of our smaller a roads are a complete nightmare now.

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It is possible that fitting some honeycomb material between the frame rails would increase side impact protection. It is also possible that the reduction in space would decrease the protection as may the additional mounting points required for the honeycomb. Proving that side impact protection has been improved by simply adding these panels would be an interesting challenge. My own feeling is that the most likely outcome would be a lot of time expended and several chassis destroyed only to demonstrate that in some carefully defined and difficult to replicate scenarios there is an improvement, in others there is a worse outcome and in most my shoulder would have been impacted before the frame rails and any honeycomb.
I think that adding significant protection for side impacts would take a clean sheet redesign, would end with a much wider cockpit and would lose the essential character of the car. Call it throwing the baby out with the bath water.

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That's a good point Calum, the fixing would need careful attention.

Re drivers obeying speed limits more, in our neck of the woods they all seem to do 40mph.....everywhere! yes, in 30 limits as well as the national speed limit - drives me mad


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I tend to make a point of driving at the speed limit in town. Turning right at mini roundabouts is particularly good fun at the speed limit.

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Originally Posted By PaulJ
Sorry Philip, I just don't understand why things like this can't be improved over time by the owner, or of course better still, the factory. Just because one has chosen such a car, doesn't mean that you have to accept lower standards of passive safety than are available. I'm not talking airbags etc, but something as easy and cheap as Honeycomb, to me, is a no brainer. Yes, learn to drive better, and be aware when driving of the susceptibility to injury - of course, but always be open minded about other stuff too.

Watch this space...........


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I think we can accept that any M3W owner is not exactly risk averse.


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I think we can accept that any M3W owner is not exactly risk averse.


You must be especially immune to fear, Donald, since you allow yourself to be a passenger in the thing. I go into suspended imagination mode behind the wheel, but I am not sure I could manage that if I were sitting on the other side.

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I think if you are concerned about a side impact then you'd be better off with a crash helmet, injury's such as bone breakages are painful to say the least but in general recoverable, unlike head injury's.

No amount of side impact protection on the 3W is going to prevent your head or your elbow which is outside of the impact protection zone.

If it's piece of mind then get it done but this is having a fun dig at you Paul, I can't believe your advocating adding weight to the car.... smile

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It would be an easier option to add ABS/Traction Control & thus perhaps remove the potential cause of the sideslip further back in the timeline..?


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"add ABS/Traction Control & thus perhaps remove the potential cause of the sideslip"
What and be unable to use the right foot to turn the car around in its' own length?

"this is having a fun dig at you Paul, I can't believe your advocating adding weight to the car...."

Yes, brought a smile to my face, after all I've been saying, but, like cholesterol, there is good weight and bad weight.


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Paul, are your really serious?

The M3W has loads more protection than a bike, but is still not that well protected.
The Trads have a bit more protection than the M3W, but still not a lot.

Bottom line: if you want to drive an open car with maximum protection then the BMW or Mercedes options are the best, lots of airbags, including side impact and knee/leg protection ones.


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Originally Posted By Matty

BTW, has anybody else noticed that everyone on the road seems to slavishly obey speed limits these days. Some of our smaller a roads are a complete nightmare now.


They don't just obey them, mostly they run 5 to 10mph below!! Mostly diesel engined sensible "econoboxes" driven by people who think they are saving the planet.

One reason for a Roadster, the raw torque to blat past quickly and safely.


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Thats right Paul and I have a BMW M3 E93 for sale, lots of safety gubbins!
woohoo


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I knew you lot would go overboard with this topic. doh

Surely it doesn't have to be so black and white, dead or alive. Isn't one allowed a little 'off' involving something relatively insignificant, but which some strength in the side would help with? For the record I have always liked the Ariel Atom which only has fresh air where the sides used to be innocent grin2


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Overboard..? Without a lifejacket..? Now that's dangerous.. innocent


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Now there is a thought, a naked see through M3W.....just a seat and a floor....


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I suppose its perfectly drivable without the body, a bit like an Arial Atom.

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A Scariel Atom is the worlds fastest scaffolding! woohoo


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Originally Posted By Dab of oppo
I suppose its perfectly drivable without the body, a bit like an Arial Atom.
probably best to keep the floor though...

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Has anyone here lost control of their m3w at speeds above 30 mph? (Aside from field mud on the road)
I rolled my last car on the motorway in march. Very scary and I am very lucky to be alive. I am young and inexperienced and have started driving using abs and safety features etc. I think this has placed deep seated misunderstandings amongst my generation. We drive without realising quite how precarious cars are. The car I totalled was a big hybrid citroen amd and when I came accross a hail storm that made the car systems ineffective it was too late.
This is why my new car is a wooden framed 3 wheeler.
Firstly I can drive at a low speed and still have lots of fun.
Secindly I can feel when the car is loosing control. I do not have car systems helping me out so I know the true limits of the car before a total loss of control.
While I am the first to say modern crumple zone technology is important it is not as important as well trained drivers who keep to sensible speeds for the condition.
I am skeptical that side impact honeycomb would work as the distance displacement has to be significant during a crumple so as to allow a slow deceleration of the intrnal organs within the body. I was saved by over a meter of folding steel. I know honeycomb can deform and absorb energy but willl it enable you to decelerate slowly?

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When both my kids passed driving tests I spent some time with both of them with ABS off making them lock up the car and see how it handles. Driving in the dark and driving at the speeds I knew they would try.

First time it snowed again took them out to show them what can go wrong and how to drive.

This is the problems with modern cars they've given young drivers ( and many only ones ) a false sense of ability and skill. Instead of giving new drivers P plates make them drive a non electronic car.


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Crumple zones, electronic aids, air bags & seat belts are all passive secondary safety aids. The prime being driver training, hazard recognition and the skillset of driving in all the various differing road conditions.

The adage you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink has never been so true than with below 25yr old drivers.

Some will never make skilled drivers as long as they have a backside, but believe they are. Others make great in-roads into embracing the practical proof of Newtons Laws of Motion, and some have very positive & influential parents to offer guidance and the financial capacity to support the costly experience path to motoring. Many can't.

Electronic safety aids have been made compulsory in cars for a reason, and that reason is to protect those who find themselves in situations that they haven't recognised & reacted to sooner, through no fault of their own. To take the retrograde step of making teeagers drive unaided harks back to the days of F1 before Ayrton Senna. He knew how to drive but zero passive safety meant he sadly died.

You can never stop learning, but attitudes to driving are the hardest to change. And we haven't even mentioned alcohol & drugs..!!


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Yes those speed limited guys driving at 5 to 10 mph below also continue to drive at the same speed in fog and ice. Also I'm convinced that they're not even fully awake.
I drive to the condition's of the road and pretty much ignore the speed limit.
I can often find my self driving safely at 20 or 30 on a single track road in winter, which has a limit of 60 with the above twits up your arse. The same twits flash wildly when you overtake em on a wide open A road

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Most of the problem is that everyone thinks they are a brilliant driver. This is not always reflected in their annual insurance premiums or driving license hide


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I agree with your point on the benefit of these systems and they should not be turned off! I am an electrical systems engineering student after all... But I think there should be a more comprehensive driving licence requirement that includes prerequisite all weather and no electrical system training. Like in Finland.
I was not suggesting that teenagers all drive without aids or I would be scared to go out myself in case I was near one!

Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: PaulJ] #194901
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Snow is the best way to teach your kids how to drive, eldest daughter loved it and now drives too fast, I'm a Dad, however I have to admit she is good. Middle daughter utter rubbish in the snow but it taught her straight away her own limits at driving and she now drives slow and steady, which is great as a Dad, when it snows she catches the train. Youngest daughter who's too young to legally drive (15)........nightmare!

Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: PaulJ] #194917
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I'm sure those who don't ride get fed up with this but; riding a motorbike before getting a car is a great way to understand traction and contriol

Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: Matty] #194923
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I'm sure those who don't ride get fed up with this but; riding a motorbike before getting a car is a great way to understand traction and contriol


And it makes you a lot more aware of what's going on around you!


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Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: PaulJ] #194924
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Here is my kids speedo and rev counter!

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Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: PaulJ] #194928
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they'll be far too busy texting and web surfing to look at them anyway...

Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: PaulJ] #194929
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Charles, welcome to TM and Three Wheeler ownership, a little late sadly, but welcome all the same. In answer to your question: "I am skeptical that side impact honeycomb would work as the distance displacement has to be significant during a crumple so as to allow a slow deceleration of the intrnal organs within the body"

I have to agree that it is not as good as a crumple zone, but it is infinitely better than the alternative.

This whole business of young drivers learning on tin boxes with electronic aids and crumple zones and so on is a really interesting one. I'm sure, that like me, most you the owners here learnt on pre-war or immediate post war cars, with no driver aids, not even seat belts, until 1968, by which time I had been driving for over 5 years, but we learnt, mainly the hard way, and mainly at low speeds, because that was what cars could do, but, it's a whole different ball game for youngsters now, and I'm really not sure that it is working out. I tend to cruise on the M'way at an indicated 80, but when I see young girls [mainly], in their small hatchbacks, cruising past me doing 90mph+ I can't help wondering if they know how long it takes to stop, and are they looking far enough ahead, or just in front of their bonnet, or worse still at their phones..............aaargh.


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Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: PaulJ] #194944
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Good point Paul
Cars are so much faster than the old bangers most of probably started off with.
My first car was a Morris Minor, an indicated 80 was flat out and dam terrifying.
Of course we didn't really have brakes at all. Deceleraters would be a better description.
Young lads seem to be the slow ones these days. must be the insurance premiums.

Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: PaulJ] #194945
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Anyone watch the new series for the love of cars?
The mark 1 Escort brought back a few memories.

Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: PaulJ] #194980
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This is what I have in my Honda:


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Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: PaulJ] #194981
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An ejector seat? Wow, I wonder if one can be fitted to the Three Wheeler?


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Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: P Dron] #194990
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LOL - do you have to have the sunroof open?


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Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: Black Adder] #195018
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Originally Posted By Black Adder
LOL - do you have to have the sunroof open?


That's a good question. I shall have to check in the handbook.

Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: P Dron] #195022
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Maybe an airbag jacket is a good idea in a three wheeler? The leather variant looks nice.

Harald


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Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: Soleng] #195023
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Originally Posted By Soleng
Maybe an airbag jacket is a good idea in a three wheeler? The leather variant looks nice.

Harald


That's probably unnecessary when you already have a parachute.

Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: PaulJ] #195037
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Not sure on this one!

The M3 chassis appears to quite a solid job - far better than my older Westfield - which was an ultra lite and ultra vulnerable frame. Pretty well zero side impact protection.A Prescott competitor was killed in a Westfield ( or was it a Caterham?)hitting a tree off the track midships - after that Westfield and Caterham bought out a wrap - round protection bolt on - it looked horrendous BTW. Probably to be safer the M3W would need a similar adornment - no thanks!! ooo

Will take my chances!! cheers


Neil

Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: donaldosaurus] #195042
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Originally Posted By donaldosaurus
Here is my kids speedo and rev counter!


That made me laugh. laugh2

Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: P Dron] #195058
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Originally Posted By P Dron
Originally Posted By Soleng
Maybe an airbag jacket is a good idea in a three wheeler? The leather variant looks nice.

Harald


That's probably unnecessary when you already have a parachute.
And you could save weight by mounting the parachute low down off its harness, sitting on it and doing away with the seat squab.
Now where have I seen that idea before?

Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: donaldosaurus] #195103
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Originally Posted By donaldosaurus
Here is my kids speedo and rev counter!


just shown this to my 18 year old son. Laughed out loud. Thought it was good.


Steve A11OGE Red 1989 4/4 4 seater

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Re: The need for side impact protection? [Re: Simon] #195220
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Originally Posted By Simon
Originally Posted By donaldosaurus
Here is my kids speedo and rev counter!


That made me laugh. laugh2

Agreed! The 60mph limit is fine, but a 2,000RPM limit on a petrol engine is a bit mean wink


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