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#459434 - 06/07/17 03:56 AM Re: Driving the MTW with a Helmet? [Re: KenShapiro]
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Ken you are not required to wear a helmet in Maryland

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#459473 - 06/07/17 12:08 PM Re: Driving the MTW with a Helmet? [Re: 2Sharp]
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Originally Posted By 2Sharp
Ken you are not required to wear a helmet in Maryland

Actually it's required:
http://www.mva.maryland.gov/businesses/bulletins/Bulletinautocycles.pdf

"Helments must be worn, unless the vehicle has an enclosed cab."

I doubt a cop pulling you over would know though.

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#459535 - 06/07/17 04:53 PM Re: Driving the MTW with a Helmet? [Re: 2Sharp]
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Originally Posted By 2Sharp
Ken you are not required to wear a helmet in Maryland


Not in the M3W.
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#459536 - 06/07/17 04:55 PM Re: Driving the MTW with a Helmet? [Re: NickValentine]
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Originally Posted By NickValentine
Originally Posted By 2Sharp
Ken you are not required to wear a helmet in Maryland

Actually it's required:
http://www.mva.maryland.gov/businesses/bulletins/Bulletinautocycles.pdf

"Helments must be worn, unless the vehicle has an enclosed cab."

I doubt a cop pulling you over would know though.


It's no longer a motorcycle in Maryland... it's an auto cycle. No helmet. And before that, it past muster as an "enclosed cab", no different than a Miata.
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#459552 - 06/07/17 06:04 PM Re: Driving the MTW with a Helmet? [Re: KenShapiro]
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Originally Posted By KenShapiro
Originally Posted By NickValentine
Originally Posted By 2Sharp
Ken you are not required to wear a helmet in Maryland

Actually it's required:
http://www.mva.maryland.gov/businesses/bulletins/Bulletinautocycles.pdf

"Helments must be worn, unless the vehicle has an enclosed cab."

I doubt a cop pulling you over would know though.


It's no longer a motorcycle in Maryland... it's an auto cycle. No helmet. And before that, it past muster as an "enclosed cab", no different than a Miata.


Those are the autocycle laws I linked to and quoted from. I would not have counted it as an enclosed cab though. Is there somewhere in writing where it specifically spells out what an enclosed cab is?

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#459610 - 06/07/17 10:32 PM Re: Driving the MTW with a Helmet? [Re: The Austrian]
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Being someone who lacks any protective pigmentation aside from the occasional freckle, a helmet is as much for protection from the environment as it is for the unforeseen bump on the noggin.

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#459634 - 07/07/17 03:38 AM Re: Driving the MTW with a Helmet? [Re: NickValentine]
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Originally Posted By NickValentine
Originally Posted By KenShapiro
Originally Posted By NickValentine
Originally Posted By 2Sharp
Ken you are not required to wear a helmet in Maryland

Actually it's required:
http://www.mva.maryland.gov/businesses/bulletins/Bulletinautocycles.pdf

"Helments must be worn, unless the vehicle has an enclosed cab."

I doubt a cop pulling you over would know though.




It's no longer a motorcycle in Maryland... it's an auto cycle. No helmet. And before that, it past muster as an "enclosed cab", no different than a Miata.


Those are the autocycle laws I linked to and quoted from. I would not have counted it as an enclosed cab though. Is there somewhere in writing where it specifically spells out what an enclosed cab is?


Just my daughter the Baltimore County police officer.
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#459637 - 07/07/17 04:23 AM Re: Driving the MTW with a Helmet? [Re: The Austrian]
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I'd consider that a reliable source!

And I think the general description of "enclosed" would be "sit in" rather than "sit on" like a motorcycle. I would argue that my M3W is t least as "enclosed" as my '55 MG TF.


Edited by truckin-on (07/07/17 04:25 AM)

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#459695 - 07/07/17 12:24 PM Re: Driving the MTW with a Helmet? [Re: KenShapiro]
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Originally Posted By KenShapiro


Just my daughter the Baltimore County police officer.

I think I found some enlightening guidelines. Throughout the nhtsa guidelines there are references to enclosed cabs and full body-enclosed cabs. No definition of either:
https://www.nhtsa.gov/staticfiles/nti/pdf/811458.pdf

With the pertinent part:
"98 The requirement to use a safety helmet does not apply if the motorcycle has three wheels, is powered by an
electric motor, has a full body‐enclosed cab or has a seat belt assembly or a child restraint system which must be
used when the vehicle is in motion. HI ST § 286‐81(c). Persons Under 7 Years Old: A motorcycle operator shall
not carry a child younger than 7 years old on a motorcycle unless such vehicle: (1) has three wheels; (2) is powered
by an electric motor; (3) has a full body‐enclosed cab or (4) has a seat belt assembly or a child restraint system
which must be used when the vehicle is in motion"

Full body-enclosed cab the M3W certainly is not, but the Maryland autocycle law doesn't use the term full body-enclosed cab. I think it can be ridden without the helmet.


Edited by NickValentine (07/07/17 12:26 PM)

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#459736 - 07/07/17 03:29 PM Re: Driving the MTW with a Helmet? [Re: The Austrian]
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Uh huh.
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