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#28246 - 06/04/09 07:33 PM aeromax residual values
dmat Offline
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Registered: 06/04/09
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Loc: Yorkshire UK
What is the general view of residual values for the Aeromax. Especially in the uk, from what I can gather 80 out of the 100 are left hand drive..... I've seen the one for sale in Germany at 230k euro....... I pick mine up in June, can't wait..

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#28256 - 07/04/09 07:49 AM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: dmat]
chris444 Offline
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Registered: 27/08/08
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Loc: Devon, Exeter
Not seen one advertised as yet, doubt there are any secondhand around, my local dealer has delivered at least one to an avid collector so it will be buried within a fleet of cars.

230k euro sounds like about £200k GBP so double the factory cost?
I would think far too high, not in the money league to find out

Good luck with yours and look forward to the photos

Christopher

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#28257 - 07/04/09 07:58 AM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: dmat]
Mogcollector Offline
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Registered: 30/12/08
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Loc: Germany

Welcome and congratulations for your AeroMax order. thumbs

I´m sure, you´ll see the 230k AeroMax for a long time, but a su.... wink will born every minute. cozychair

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#28258 - 07/04/09 08:02 AM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Mogcollector]
Simon Offline

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The first Aeromax (001) was advertised for £150,000 GBP and did sell on the secondary market; however, not for that price.

There have been a few LHD cars for sale and they have varied in price, the current one, offered by K & T Automobile GbR, is the most expensive thus far at Euro 229,999.00.
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#28263 - 07/04/09 11:30 AM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Simon]
asbojohn Offline
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Registered: 23/07/07
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Loc: Cambridgeshire
Originally Posted By: Simon
The first Aeromax (001) was advertised for £150,000 GBP and did sell on the secondary market; however, not for that price.

There have been a few LHD cars for sale and they have varied in price, the current one, offered by K & T Automobile GbR, is the most expensive thus far at Euro 229,999.00.


My god thats nearly series II money party party
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#28267 - 07/04/09 04:18 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: asbojohn]
Simon Offline

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Have the S2s recently dropped in value? The 'credit crunch' is hitting even the most desirable models... is nothing sacred! scared
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#28274 - 07/04/09 05:18 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Simon]
Boshly Offline
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Loc: Surrey
Originally Posted By: Simon
Have the S2s recently dropped in value? The 'credit crunch' is hitting even the most desirable models... is nothing sacred! scared



On the plus side, it will allow a few 'mere mortals' to sample the pleasures of S2 ownership laugh
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#28287 - 08/04/09 07:48 AM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Boshly]
Aeroman Offline
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Originally Posted By: Boshly
Originally Posted By: Simon
Have the S2s recently dropped in value? The 'credit crunch' is hitting even the most desirable models... is nothing sacred! scared



On the plus side, it will allow a few 'mere mortals' to sample the pleasures of S2 ownership laugh


I see one member of the 'S2 Mafia' has posted on another site that less than 50-S2's were produced, at this rate of shrinkage there'll soon only be you, Asbo and mr_tony left with S2's. sherlock

What's going on here, I think we should be told?
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#28299 - 08/04/09 01:17 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Aeroman]
mr_tony Offline
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Was that me?
I think I must have been exaggerating!
My dealer told me there were only 7 in the UK wink
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#28302 - 08/04/09 03:10 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: mr_tony]
Aeroman Offline
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Originally Posted By: mr_tony
I think I must have been exaggerating!

My dealer told me there were only 7 in the UK wink


And some... shocked2

As was once famously said, well he would say that wouldn't he! innocent laugh2

Cheers
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P.S. He's my Dealer too thumbs
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#28307 - 08/04/09 05:12 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Aeroman]
asbojohn Offline
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Loc: Cambridgeshire
Aeroman,

Haven't you figured it out yet. Mr Tony, Boshly and myself are talking up the market so that we can secure the best possible prices for when we order our son of aeromax.

I think the measure of our success will be when MMC phone us up offering to do a straight exchange.

Must go Mr Morgan is on the phone. rofl rofl
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#28315 - 08/04/09 07:10 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Aeroman]
chris444 Offline
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Registered: 27/08/08
Posts: 164
Loc: Devon, Exeter
In the credit crunch the Series 2 will be cheap to run, so perhaps it's true time has come, only problem is that there are few genuine ones left due to the amount of rebuilding they have been subject to, I think there were a few hundred made, have to look up the records.

Chris

ps Aeroman could be confused with snobmogs as 51 of these were produced.

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#28316 - 08/04/09 07:14 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: chris444]
chris444 Offline
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Loc: Devon, Exeter
A quick look on Morganville shows series 2 chassis numbers in the range A201 to A472 so there must have been at least 300.

Does this mean that the lack of exclusivity will drop prices from £150,000 to even less, asbojohn, looks like the trade of an S2 for an Aeromax is fading away somewhat.

Chris444

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#28318 - 08/04/09 07:40 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: chris444]
asbojohn Offline
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Chris444,

Not sure whats going on here then TM has been running a list of chassis numbers.

http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=27992&page=1

I'm sure Boshly will correct me on this but he probably has the first Series II car as it was the factory demo car at 327 and by 427 we were onto the Series 3 cars so this would suggest the the Morganville data is wrong.

Its may understanding that the Series II production ran for less than a year so the numbers will be far lower than 300, unless the factory was on overtime.

Now you've been caught out you can tell me who put you up to trying to dispell the Series II mythology or should I guess sherlock
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#28321 - 08/04/09 10:41 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: asbojohn]
Shooter Offline
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Registered: 05/09/07
Posts: 669
Loc: Crowthorne, Berkshire
Also, not all numbers are produced in sequence and some not produced at all. The only definitive check would be to confirm with the factory.

My Series 4, along with the series 4 built for Charles Morgan's sister were the first Aero's of 2009. My chassis number is 706.

We have a member here Greymog, whose chassis number is 703 for build in March 09.

For mine, the difference could be that I ordered my car in late 2007 with a delivery date of March 2009 but then in January 08 brought the delivery forward to be in the group of first 2009 cars for the handover party.

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#28322 - 09/04/09 06:39 AM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Shooter]
asbojohn Offline
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Registered: 23/07/07
Posts: 1744
Loc: Cambridgeshire
Dear Mr TalkMorgan

Can you settle this debate and ask the factory how many aeros in each series were produced.

Thank you kindly sir.

Asbo
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#28323 - 09/04/09 07:02 AM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: asbojohn]
Boshly Offline
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Originally Posted By: asbojohn
Chris444,

Not sure whats going on here then TM has been running a list of chassis numbers.

http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=27992&page=1

I'm sure Boshly will correct me on this but he probably has the first Series II car as it was the factory demo car at 327 and by 427 we were onto the Series 3 cars so this would suggest the the Morganville data is wrong.


Spot on Asbo, less than 100 made by 419 (Simons car) we were onto series 3 and Simons was not the first by a long chalk. But more significantly most were LHD for the states. Factory has led me to believe that about 20-30 % RHD at the most or 15 - 20 cars....

Originally Posted By: asbojohn
Now you've been caught out you can tell me who put you up to trying to dispell the Series II mythology or should I guess sherlock



My suspicions lie with TalkMan or AeroMorgan mad2 probably with the promise of a free sticker or suchlike ....

laugh
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#28324 - 09/04/09 07:06 AM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Boshly]
Philippo Offline
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Registered: 03/12/07
Posts: 217
Loc: Toulouse, France
S2 owners

Hasn't it occurred to you that a possible reason they made so few Series 2 cars is no-one wanted to buy them. somestick

Philip
S1 (the lightest and purest Aero 8s)
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#28341 - 09/04/09 12:15 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Aeroman]
mr_tony Offline
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Registered: 02/10/06
Posts: 2081
Loc: London
Originally Posted By: Aeroman
Originally Posted By: mr_tony
I think I must have been exaggerating!

My dealer told me there were only 7 in the UK wink


And some... shocked2

As was once famously said, well he would say that wouldn't he! innocent laugh2

Cheers
Brian

P.S. He's my Dealer too thumbs


Looking at Boshlys logic our man is probably not far off the RHD number in the UK, which is in complete fairness what was being quoted. I've been told also that the vast majoriy of SII's went to the US.

Anyway, back on the main topic I think the Max will be a pretty solid long term investment. I guess the only concern I have is that too many people will buy these fore collections and not drive them.

Even with the aero it's a clear issue - both my cars have been purchased at the years old - the first had 1200 miles on the clock, the second 3000. Cars like this are fantastic driving cars that cry out to be used, not stored in a museum like collection driven round the block once a month by the caretaker...
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#28344 - 09/04/09 03:11 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Philippo]
Boshly Offline
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Loc: Surrey
Originally Posted By: Philippo
S2 owners

Hasn't it occurred to you that a possible reason they made so few Series 2 cars is no-one wanted to buy them. somestick

Philip
S1 (the lightest and purest Aero 8s)


I think you are wrong, I think it's because they didn't make enough (any?) yellow ones wink
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#28347 - 09/04/09 03:30 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: mr_tony]
Paul Hurst Offline
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Loc: Kent, Blighty
Quite agree that they should be used, sincerely hope though that there will be some 'prime' low mileage examples about in three years time. Am saving up anyway!

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#28352 - 09/04/09 04:49 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Paul Hurst]
asbojohn Offline
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Registered: 23/07/07
Posts: 1744
Loc: Cambridgeshire
Back on topic now aeromax residuals

Given the comments by the lucky aeromax owners on the site I would expect the residuals to be rock solid.

Apart from a few profit takers it doesn't look like to many will be making back onto the market in a rush.

Lets hope they don't become garage queens, they need to be seen and appreciated by the masses.
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#28357 - 09/04/09 05:59 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Paul Hurst]
Simon Offline

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Posts: 6300
Loc: England
Originally Posted By: Paul Hurst
Quite agree that they should be used, sincerely hope though that there will be some 'prime' low mileage examples about in three years time. Am saving up anyway!


There will always be a few garage-queens but truth be told, if they actually drove the car, they'd realise how good it is and not be able to resist the urge to jump in it every chance they got.

We all know the feeling of finding excuses just to drive the car - in fact, not even needing an excuse, just driving it with no destination in mind! - and the Aeromax is that type of car. cloud9

(I would hasten to add, that that this is common theme to all Morgans, not something that is limited to the Max) woohoo

PS - is it true the S2 uses the engine from the McLaren F1 and has a gold engine bay? tongue2
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#28369 - 09/04/09 08:24 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Simon]
mr_tony Offline
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Loc: London
Completely true Simon.
Its also the case that some have solid platinum side vents in the doors that double the value of those cars for the lucky owners!

;-)


Edited by mr_tony (09/04/09 08:25 PM)
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#28387 - 10/04/09 10:00 AM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: mr_tony]
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Registered: 07/07/08
Posts: 72
Loc: FRANCE
7.000 kilometers with mine since mid november....

Just LOVE it, the very best car I ever had!

The sound is.......................................Orgasmic!

Regarding residuals, I couldn t care less, will keep it till I die!


Edited by aeromax (10/04/09 10:01 AM)

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#28403 - 10/04/09 04:29 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Boshly]
greymog Offline
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Registered: 06/09/06
Posts: 22
Loc: Germany
We have a member here Greymog, whose chassis number is 703 for build in March 09.


Shooter,
it was registrated in March, it was a showroom car and perhaps build in autumn 2008

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#28408 - 10/04/09 10:45 PM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: aeromax]
Boshly Offline
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Registered: 01/09/06
Posts: 3487
Loc: Surrey
Originally Posted By: aeromax


The sound is.......................................Orgasmic!

Regarding residuals, I couldn t care less, will keep it till I die!


Glad you like the sound, side pipes if I recall correctly laugh2

As for your second comment about keeping it, well that's just mean and unfair for us hangers on waiting for you guys to run in, love and nurture these wonderful vehicles, before graciously allowing us to take over just as all the hardwork is done and after a litlle bit at least, of depreciation has eased our potential ownership laugh

Enjoy thumbs drive
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#28414 - 11/04/09 08:34 AM Re: aeromax residual values [Re: Boshly]
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Loc: european union
Originally Posted By: Boshly


As for your second comment about keeping it, well that's just mean and unfair for us hangers on waiting for you guys to run in, love and nurture these wonderful vehicles, before graciously allowing us to take over just as all the hardwork is done and after a litlle bit at least, of depreciation has eased our potential ownership laugh

Enjoy thumbs drive


Boshly: why don't you order the "next McLaren F1", drive it a few years, and let's swap cars in 2012 cheers
(you don't mind LHD I hope drive )

that smiley is LHD already somestick
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