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#298693 - 21/08/15 07:37 PM Crossflow engine paint colour
Edgar 1969 4/4 Offline

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I have been trying to find out what colour the engine block should be on my late 60's Morgan Crossflow engine block. I have found some remnants of blue behind the flywheel. Would this have been Ford Corporate Blue or was this just used on US engine blocks?

Additionally the cast iron gearbox bell housing has been painted black but the 4 speed box seems to have seems to have remnants of a dark green paint. Can anyone throw any light on this also?

Thanks in advance.
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#298698 - 21/08/15 08:01 PM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
auster Offline
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My 68 1600 xflow just looks black however it has been overhauled so I am also interested in what the new colour might have been.
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#298700 - 21/08/15 08:03 PM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
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To my knowledge no one holds information for engine or engine cover colours, we frequently get requests for this, but unfortunately cannot help, I am sure someone will have archives somewhere .

Same goes for wheels,they are a nightmare to match, and the dealers will not help, mainly because I don't think they can anyway.


Edited by Dean-Royal (21/08/15 08:22 PM)
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#298703 - 21/08/15 08:12 PM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
oldchieft Offline
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My 78 4/4 was black.

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#298718 - 21/08/15 09:29 PM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Dean-Royal]
Edgar 1969 4/4 Offline

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There seems to be a lot of information on US websites on engine block colours for Ford and other makes. There is mention of Ford Corporate Blue which when I looked was not a million miles from the colour I found behind the flywheel. It's conceivable that Ford used their corporate colour on European engine blocks as well, Obviously with time the colour I found will have changed due to heat and oil etc but it looks pretty close.
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#298721 - 21/08/15 09:30 PM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
Richard - Aus Offline

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My '76 one came to me as "black"...no idea other than that.
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#298751 - 21/08/15 10:55 PM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
SteveT Offline

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From memory, 60's cross flows as fitted in UK Fords were always black. Unless they painted those destined for fitment in a Morgan in a different colour I'd assume black was original.
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#298760 - 21/08/15 11:41 PM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
PaulJ Offline

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I have seen blue, but have an idea that only factory recon. engines were painted in corporate blue, I may be wrong however?
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#298963 - 22/08/15 08:57 PM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
titus Offline

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All the engines on my 50's 60's and 70's Morgan 4/4's were black and were original as far as I knew.
I also have recollection of Ford genuine reconditioned engine parts at the time being blue.
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#299086 - 23/08/15 10:31 AM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
Edgar 1969 4/4 Offline

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Well the general consensus is that the engine blocks were originally painted black, so I think that's settled my mind on the subject. The block is blue in places so I guess could be recon like some have mentioned however its a completely standard block and has not been re-bored. Still a bit of a mystery!
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#299549 - 25/08/15 06:51 AM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
BertL Offline
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My'69 Kent powered 4/4 has all of it's drive-train,suspension,and chassis-frame painted with what I perceive to be a medium gloss black paint. I have owned the car since November, 1970.
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#299655 - 25/08/15 11:54 AM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: BertL]
Edgar 1969 4/4 Offline

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Bert,
I think yours is probably the definitive answer given the time you have owned the car, thanks. Black it shall be.
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#300726 - 28/08/15 01:27 PM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
PaulG Offline
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Loc: Kent
I've had a '69 4/4 since new and the block was black on mine. Hope this helps
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#300874 - 28/08/15 08:38 PM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
auster Offline
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Could I just say it's nice to hear from 60's Kent engined 4/4 owners. Especially one from Kent who has owned his since new, in 1969! PaulG you must be an oracle of the model. I'm a novice but keen to learn.
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#300978 - 29/08/15 10:11 AM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: auster]
Edgar 1969 4/4 Offline

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I echo auster's comments, nice to have owned your car for so long Paul and nice to have a point of reference for originality.

By the way have you 60's Morgan chaps signed up for the Morgan Classic register?
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#557988 - 04/02/19 10:28 PM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
reade4651 Offline
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Registered: 13/07/15
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Loc: Oxfordshire
My 1969 year 4/4, 2 seater has a powder blue block, I think the engine is original and has not been touched, can anyone confirm this
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#558046 - 05/02/19 12:07 PM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
Ray Offline

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I think the blue engine was new factory replacement engine not a reconditioned one. There for all sizes would be standard.
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#558468 - 07/02/19 05:27 PM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
Arwyn Williams Offline
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Registered: 08/08/15
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My 1972 4/4 has a black painted engine. This car was bought new by my Dad in 1972.

I also now own Edgar 1969 4/4's car (POE 25G). A DVLA V888 search shows that it had a reconditioned engine fitted early in it's life for some reason.

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#558499 - 07/02/19 07:14 PM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Edgar 1969 4/4]
clubsport Offline
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Registered: 12/08/08
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Loc: Kent / Se London
My '75 4/4 has always had a black painted block. I couldn't help myself painting the head green when I went for unleaded upgrade.

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#558566 - 08/02/19 07:52 AM Re: Crossflow engine paint colour [Re: Arwyn Williams]
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Originally Posted By Arwyn Williams
My 1972 4/4 has a black painted engine. This car was bought new by my Dad in 1972.

I also now own Edgar 1969 4/4's car (POE 25G). A DVLA V888 search shows that it had a reconditioned engine fitted early in it's life for some reason.

Arwyn

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