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Quickshift gear lever (1995 4/4) #326179
15/12/15 02:17 PM
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Hi,

I read in the December Miscellany an article on fitting a quickshift gear lever to an MT75 gearbox. The opportunity to improve the gear selection mechanism seemed too good to miss. However on searching for solutions I found two. One is Librands which seems to basically be a gear lever shortening kit. The other seems to apply to all MT75 gearboxes, although Cosworth is regularly named. Many suppliers offer this part which "seems" to fit on the bottom of the gear lever and actuates into the gearbox.
Anybody have any experience or advice on these parts. Many thanks.


David

Re: Quickshift gear lever (1995 4/4) [Re: DurhamDavid] #326182
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The Librands works well


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Re: Quickshift gear lever (1995 4/4) [Re: DurhamDavid] #326188
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I thought the Miscellany article was referring to a Type 9 box?

AIUI all 'quick shift' options basically move the pivot point of the lever further up the shaft, thus reducing the movement required of the knob, but increasing the effort needed to do so. You can do this either by replacing the lever or by spacing the existing lever away from the mechanism.

Shortening the actual shaft will reduce the amount of movement at the knob, but further increase the effort required.

Librands do a kit for the later box (MT75), but for the T9 box you need to go to either Burton or Rally Design. Simple extension kits are available on Fleabay.

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Re: Quickshift gear lever (1995 4/4) [Re: DurhamDavid] #326208
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The article was about the Type 9 box but about 2/3 of the way through they mentioned the MT75 and that it could be modified. At some time in the past other suppliers (eg Quaife) did provide quickshift levers for the MT75 box but I cannot find anyone but Librands that do so now. My problem was basically that the Librands solution and that offered by all the genetic MT75 box component suppliers looks radically different.


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Re: Quickshift gear lever (1995 4/4) [Re: DurhamDavid] #326221
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Hi Dave

I do not think Burtons or other related Ford MT75 products will work.

Here is a Photo of MT75 as fitted to Morgans with Morgan designed shift.

http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/83632/all/4_4_gearbox_manufacturer



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Re: Quickshift gear lever (1995 4/4) [Re: DurhamDavid] #326232
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Hi Cain,

Many thanks, those two photos explain a great deal. I had assumed the MT75 had an extended end housing like the Mazda box (and most other gearboxes I have had). However there does not seem to be anywhere on this photo that would take the standard non-Librands MT75 mod. I think I have not yet owned a Morgan long enough not to be surprised by some of the little idiosyncrasies that crop up. I assumed an MT75 gearbox was and MT75 gearbox and that was that. Silly me.

Thanks again for the photo - a great help.


David

Re: Quickshift gear lever (1995 4/4) [Re: DurhamDavid] #326272
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Sorry if my post was confusing to anyone.

Clarification

Jays Post number #83660 Re Gearbox photos.

The first is the Mazda Box as fitted to present

and the 2nd photo is the MT75.

There are no Type 9 boxes in the photos


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Re: Quickshift gear lever (1995 4/4) [Re: DurhamDavid] #326425
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Hi

I am confused (or naive) over the MT75 box. Cain's link above shows an MT75 box. The quickshift sold for the MT75 (see http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cosworth-24V-MT75-quick-shift-2-4-wheel-drive-boxes-/221645963389?hash=item339b21007d:m:mofoPqqvY5N469wkzzYV1Hg for an example) would not seem to fit this box. However other pictures of the MT75 (eg http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-transit-MT75-gearbox-/111836795777?hash=item1a09fe1381:g:oPkAAOSwgyxWWkrj) show a different box. Does this mean the MT75 had significant variations or have Morgan modified an MT75.

As earlier in this thread I will probably buy the Librands product but I hate an apparent contradiction such as this.

Any help to ease my ignorance would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks.



David

Re: Quickshift gear lever (1995 4/4) [Re: DurhamDavid] #326520
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Hi Dave

Here you go this should help as there are many MT75 gear box variants.

http://www.super7thheaven.co.uk/components/mt75-gearbox/

http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/174961/Gearbox_Oil_Fill_Plug

Our MT75 has remote the gearshift but it is Morgan only.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/jaystride/Cars/P1010475.jpg


Librands do not Manufacture a quick dermot for the MT75.

The Ebay links for Cosworth will not fit the Morgan MT75 Gearbox variant.



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Re: Quickshift gear lever (1995 4/4) [Re: DurhamDavid] #326522
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David,
The Burton catalogue mentions the 2wd and 4wd and from the web I see there is also the Transit version of the MT75 box. The catalogue also adds "an aftermarket 2wd gearbox is also available with removable bellhousing". I would think that Morgan used this box as the other boxes have an integral bellhousing.
From the pictures on the web the gear linkage on the Morgan box is different to the Sierra/Granada boxes.
Just my take on things.
If you find something to improve the gear change please let me know as I am looking for an improvement too.

Cheers
John

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