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#39888 - 20/01/10 09:13 PM Which number plate?
BigDefNeil Offline
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I've treated myself to the Morgan - and I'm also thinking I should treat myself to a decent number plate for it.

When I saw the car it had black and silver plates on (as you may have seen in the piccies I posted) - and that looked rather good I thought. A timeless car with dateless plates. But unfortunately the previous owner want to keep that reg and so the car is currently back on it's original 188 F-reg number.

I'd like to change the number but I am not going to pay silly money - £500 tops. I'd like your opinions ('cause I cannot make up my mind).

Thanks in advance.
Which number plate?
Only one choice allowed (15 total votes)
Dateless but meaningless (best of these is MNZ 474) - 5 (33%)
F-reg MOG plate (best of these is F14 MOG) - 10 (67%)
Voting on this poll ends: 31/01/10 10:11 PM
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#39891 - 20/01/10 10:11 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: BigDefNeil]
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Originally Posted By: BigDefNeil
I've treated myself to the Morgan - and I'm also thinking I should treat myself to a decent number plate for it.



I can't vote on this becuase I think it is asking for far too simplistic an anwer to a totally subjective question. I have one but that's because I am a megalomaniac. For others, surely the reasons are so diverse that it is, afrer all, a purely personal thing?

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#39894 - 21/01/10 07:59 AM Re: Which number plate? [Re: GLLHG]
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I'd agree with Gerwyn here.

Never bought a special plate. Thought about having my amateur radio call sign, but I'm not into throwing money away.

As far as we know the plate on my 4/4 is original. One of my Prescott colleagues keeps saying I should change it, but her son was killed a few years ago in a collision with a deer. It gives the guy on traffic, just up the road, a bit of amusement every time he sees it.

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#39896 - 21/01/10 08:18 AM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Graham, G4FUJ]
Trevor Offline
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I am not keen on plates that relay what the car is: MOG on a Morgan or BMW on a BMW etc but like clever personal registrations that make you think.

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#39906 - 21/01/10 02:46 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Trevor]
Brian V Offline
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A dateless reg would be better if you want black and white plates. Still illegal, but unlikley to get anyones attention I would have thought?

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#39909 - 21/01/10 03:17 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Brian V]
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Couldn't agree more!
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#39920 - 21/01/10 06:11 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Rbt Aero8]
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I'm not keen on spending on plates but have been quite lucky. The plate on the Roadster came with my 1980 BGT, when "1V" plates were normal issue. When I saw it, I liked the straight lines. Sad but true. 'NKH 1V', and at that time it was on a smaller than standard plate. So it cost nothing, (and means nothing), and when the BGT was sold I put it on the Golf until the Morgan came along. But then it got complicated because the Morgan came with C2 GBW. I thought about selling that, but decided to put it on MrsW's Polo. So that was two meaninless plates for nowt. Then in a rush of blood to the head I bought V11 NKH for the Golf...........I think it was £500. The 'V1' alternative was too much hard earned.... for somebody with a Yorkshire disposition.

I like to see pre 62 six digit (or less) plates on black/silver, whether ABC 123, 123 ABC, AB 1234, or 1234 AB.
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#39924 - 21/01/10 07:45 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: DaveW]
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Ah Dave it's a well known fact that the best numbers aren't always the most expensive!

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#39926 - 21/01/10 08:00 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: BigDefNeil]
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Neil

The MNZ registration is a Northern Ireland original number, usually there is a an additional transfer charge when this is used on a GB based vehicle, hopefully this is already factored into the price.
I have gone for an interesting number rather than something that has meaning, consider it like modern art
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#39928 - 21/01/10 08:21 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: lightsphere]
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Not sure where my plates fits in this equation. laugh2 laugh2 laugh2

Have the original plate from my Jag still all I need to find is someone whose 541 and called HPP sherlock
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#39932 - 21/01/10 08:59 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: asbojohn]
Simon Offline

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I have a special reg on my Aeromax, bought directly from the DVLA, and am glad I did so. I wouldn't buy one from a reseller as they seem to ask crazy money; however, from the DVLA can be quite cost effective and a nice way to personalise your car.

If you can find a plate you like, I'd do it; however, I wouldn't just stick a random plate on the car to hide the age - Morgans do that well without the need of a reg.
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#39937 - 22/01/10 07:41 AM Re: Which number plate? [Re: asbojohn]
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Originally Posted By: asbojohn
Not sure where my plates fits in this equation. laugh2 laugh2 laugh2

Have the original plate from my Jag still all I need to find is someone whose 541 and called HPP sherlock


Asbo,
In fact I have a work collegaue with those initials- but she drives a Ford Ka in metallic aubergine, so perhaps I'd better stop now! hide

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#39943 - 22/01/10 09:08 AM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Simon]
Graham, G4FUJ Offline
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Originally Posted By: Simon
...however, I wouldn't just stick a random plate on the car to hide the age - Morgans do that well without the need of a reg.


Well, trads do hide rofl
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#39944 - 22/01/10 10:15 AM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Graham, G4FUJ]
Simon Offline

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True, the Aero-type just look like kit cars doh

At least according to random members of the public.

"Did it take long to build, mate?"

"Nice! Is it a kit car?"

cuckoo grin2
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#39950 - 22/01/10 11:24 AM Re: Which number plate? [Re: BigDefNeil]
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Call Us Naff if you like but our choice was to go with a Mog at the basic DVLA price

We went for AF08 MOG
A (Ann) F (Frank) 08 (our lucky number without the 0) MOG

It's the nearest we will ever bother to get to a personalised number. coffee
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#39951 - 22/01/10 11:46 AM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Simon]
Graham, G4FUJ Offline
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Originally Posted By: Simon
True, the Aero-type just look like kit cars doh
At least according to random members of the public.
"Did it take long to build, mate?"
"Nice! Is it a kit car?"
cuckoo grin2


I wouldn't say that about them! I have, twice, been asked whether Tinkerbelle is a BENTLEY shocked2 though... confused
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#39956 - 22/01/10 01:16 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Graham, G4FUJ]
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Originally Posted By: Graham, G4FUJ
I have, twice, been asked whether Tinkerbelle is a BENTLEY shocked2 though... confused


That'll teach you not to talk to strangers! evil

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#39957 - 22/01/10 01:21 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: GLLHG]
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rofl
One was my nephew (but he doesn't know anything about cars) - at least he didn't ask whether it was a kit car, as he had with the 4/4 doh.
The other was serving on a cash desk at a Shell station... grin2
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#39978 - 22/01/10 07:51 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: BigDefNeil]
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As you'll see from my TalkMorgan name I went for a MOG number plate, as have many Mog owners. Can't really justify why, just thought it was a bit of fun.

Many years ago I bought a personal number plate for my tin top, my initials + 3, it would now be silly money, probably now go for a 5 digit amount, so could have been a good investment? It does make it easy to remember my number though, especially as the years take their toll of the brain cells!

My advice is - if you fancy it, go for it.

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#39992 - 23/01/10 09:46 AM Re: Which number plate? [Re: N22MOG]
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I quite like 'clever' plates and/or would have loved something like B88BBB or SS55SSS for obvious reasons.

I also like plates that have letters but look like Roman numerals XMC1X or even MOG 1V for example.

The Aero plate I have came from a 'eureka' moment when a young lad utterred those memorable words "ooh Aero!" as I drove past. I logged onto DVLA that afternoon and £250 later OO0 4ERO Was mine grin2

As for everyday cars I am lucky my surname (ABBOSH) is both rare and 'possible' thus my wifes car carries R88OSH (I know, close, but no banana) and my car A88OSH (was at DVLA auction after I requested it, I bid a closed bid of £4000, and got it for £350 laugh2 )
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#39998 - 23/01/10 02:18 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Simon]
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Originally Posted By: Simon
I have a special reg on my Aeromax, bought directly from the DVLA, and am glad I did so. I wouldn't buy one from a reseller as they seem to ask crazy money; however, from the DVLA can be quite cost effective and a nice way to personalise your car.

If you can find a plate you like, I'd do it; however, I wouldn't just stick a random plate on the car to hide the age - Morgans do that well without the need of a reg.


Very much in agreement Simon.

I have certainly found buying direct from the DVLA either direct or at auction a much more reassuring experience.

The two numbers which I didn't buy from DVLA were bought from a numbers agency and whilst in the end they were easy to deal with there is always a nagging doubt as to who you are doing business with and whether they will still be there when the transfer finally comes through. Furthermore they would often appear to use a random number generator to work out the price!

I think the best numbers are those that look nothing to the general public but like Boshly's spell out an unusual name etc.

Regards,

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#40008 - 23/01/10 04:13 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Rbt Aero8]
Russell Offline
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I must admit I like to play at "number plates" also!

OSU 424 I've had for years and use on my own Morgans. It's an old Renfrewshire registration (where I was born many, many years ago!) with symetrical even numbers..if you know what I mean? Now going on my "new" +8 Moss box.

AR08 RPM on my Aero demo
Y100 MOG on the RPM van
SP08TEE on my wife's 4/4 Sport (now nicknamed Sporty...that's the car, not the wife!!)

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#40010 - 23/01/10 04:57 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Russell]
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Originally Posted By: Russell
It's an old Renfrewshire registration (where I was born many, many years ago!) with symmetrical even numbers..if you know what I mean? Now going on my "new" +8 Moss box.


Or even a palindromic number! read

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#40017 - 23/01/10 07:21 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Aeroman]
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Originally Posted By: Aeroman
Originally Posted By: Russell
It's an old Renfrewshire registration (where I was born many, many years ago!) with symmetrical even numbers..if you know what I mean? Now going on my "new" +8 Moss box.


Or even a palindromic number! read

happy3


rofl rofl rofl
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#40032 - 23/01/10 11:01 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Rbt Aero8]
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DVLA have an Auction coming up starting on the 27th January and these two numbers, which may be of interest, are available as well as many others:

MOG 65Y

MOR 124N


Both have a reserve of £300.00 on them, but when I bid for my Morgan number - MOR54N - it went for only a little over the reserve.

Good luck, if you do have a go...

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#40035 - 24/01/10 08:32 AM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Aeroman]
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I also went sideways in my thinking to find a good plate.

On my old GTR33 I had N111SKY setup as N111 on the top row and SKY on the bottom but looking at it on an Aero it also works quite well.

Nice Sky. Almost suitable for an open top, how about making the plate something to do with the mood the car gives you.

L15TEN for the exhaust note !
S111TAN (put a fleck of black paint to make UN out of the 111) and you have sun tan, good for an open top but bad for your long term health.

Just a thought in case you wanted to have more fun.

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#40055 - 24/01/10 03:56 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Alistair]
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Originally Posted By: Alistair

L15TEN for the exhaust note !
S111TAN (put a fleck of black paint to make UN out of the 111) and you have sun tan, good for an open top but bad for your long term health.

I like these - I have been trying to be more creative (without spending thousands) but I'm a little limited having only A to F as initial letters to play with. (Yes, I know there's 'all' the suffix plates but you can't pick and choose with them.)

Now the orange and white plates have been on the car for a little while I am getting used to them so I'm leaning a little more towards "interesting" than "black-and-silver-and-never-mind-the-number" at the moment.

Could all change again though.
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#40128 - 26/01/10 08:55 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Alistair]
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Originally Posted By: Alistair

S111TAN (put a fleck of black paint to make UN out of the 111) and you have sun tan, good for an open top but bad for your long term health.


SAT 4N was up for sale for just shy of £100,000.00 if you fancy being in league with you-know-who evil wink
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#40133 - 26/01/10 10:06 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: BigDefNeil]
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Originally Posted By: BigDefNeil
Originally Posted By: Alistair

L15TEN for the exhaust note !
S111TAN (put a fleck of black paint to make UN out of the 111) and you have sun tan, good for an open top but bad for your long term health.

I like these - I have been trying to be more creative (without spending thousands) but I'm a little limited having only A to F as initial letters to play with. (Yes, I know there's 'all' the suffix plates but you can't pick and choose with them.)

Now the orange and white plates have been on the car for a little while I am getting used to them so I'm leaning a little more towards "interesting" than "black-and-silver-and-never-mind-the-number" at the moment.

Could all change again though.


I can identify with what Neil says. As several members of the forum have commented, ( Boshers, where are you?) I have a set of initials which are, to say the least, strange. So, I went for letters from my christian name.Being a good Welshman and therefore not being able to resist a bargain, I got two- one for my daily driver( currently on retention) and one for the 4/4- both with consecutive triple numbers 888 and 999 and both with a 'v' prefix. When people ask,'why V?' I direct them to the traditional meaning of a Vee sign

I do have one problem though. A number of people think the '999' meeans I am a retired police officer! evil

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#40941 - 24/02/10 01:20 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: GLLHG]
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I thought I should perhaps provide an update on my decision.

By the end of the poll I was still on the fence - perhaps falling slightly towards the dateless registration number still. But by then I'd also got used to seeing my Mog with her F-reg plate on. I decided then that at present I've got more important things to spend my money on such as a flying jacket and car cover. So for now Molly will retain her original number.

Perhaps I'll buy her a present next year.
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#41095 - 27/02/10 03:46 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: BigDefNeil]
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A lady at the vehicle registration office in Cork once said to me "if you have a special car you don't need a special number plate". Makes sense to me.

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#41099 - 27/02/10 04:42 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Manxmog]
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What the lady in Cork failed to realise was, being a very special car, you fall in love with it and spend lavishly on it. Then eventually you have to decide, what do you give a special car that has everything. I know, a new number plate, that would even make a cross-eyed series 1 smile.
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#41110 - 28/02/10 07:28 AM Re: Which number plate? [Re: lightsphere]
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Simon, I've found a photoshop expert for you as per your other thread

wink

laugh2
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#41115 - 28/02/10 08:56 AM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Boshly]
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I was also marvelling at Lightsphere's skills! laugh2

The sad thing is, I think he went to the same class as me and yet it looks like he got an A+ when compared to my C- effort. grin2
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#41137 - 01/03/10 10:14 AM Re: Which number plate? [Re: TalkMorgan]
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Apollogies for not responding to the photoshop call, felt sure I was too late and perhaps not skillfull enough,
That is to say there are many ways of skinning the cat, my method is using a new fill layer. I am happy with the result but it may not be the approved way.
The smiling series 1 after a photoshop respray
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#41139 - 01/03/10 11:44 AM Re: Which number plate? [Re: lightsphere]
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Originally Posted By: lightsphere
What the lady in Cork failed to realise was, being a very special car, you fall in love with it and spend lavishly on it. Then eventually you have to decide, what do you give a special car that has everything. I know, a new number plate, that would even make a cross-eyed series 1 smile.

Lightsphere, I'm still at the stage of trying to get out without falling flat on my face and/or getting my legs into approximately the same place as the rest of my body - no doubt love, marriage and number plates comes later!!!

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#41144 - 01/03/10 01:28 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Manxmog]
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Manxmog,

Yes getting out requires a strict sequence, forget 1 part and you leave a leg behind or get stuck. On paper you need youth, but failing that lots of sound effects help.
This might help a device I noted on the web
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#41156 - 01/03/10 08:58 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: lightsphere]
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Originally Posted By: lightsphere
Manxmog,
On paper you need youth, but failing that lots of sound effects help.

Then it's sounds effects for me....maybe something from The Nutcracker Suite?

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#41181 - 02/03/10 05:38 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Manxmog]
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I wonder if the old bloke auditioned for that part?
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#41225 - 03/03/10 04:17 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: DaveW]
Simon Offline

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Originally Posted By: DaveW
I wonder if the old bloke auditioned for that part?


Dave, stop being so impolite, his name is Aeroman, not "old bloke". slap innocent


Originally Posted By: lightsphere
Apollogies for not responding to the photoshop call, felt sure I was too late and perhaps not skillfull enough,
That is to say there are many ways of skinning the cat, my method is using a new fill layer. I am happy with the result but it may not be the approved way.
The smiling series 1 after a photoshop respray


To be honest, it was the smile that made me smile; however, your colour changing skills are far better than mine and the colour modification looks great. wine
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#41226 - 03/03/10 04:18 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: DaveW]
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That is the Audition. He never got any further out than that. innocent

BTW - Another sad story. Someone traded in a very young and beautiful black Porche Boxter for a new Centenary Roadster 100 (no12), (three before ours). I heard that he had always wanted to have a Morgan.
Its back with the dealer on ebay with 850miles on the clock? I wonder what went wrong? stars
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#41234 - 03/03/10 05:10 PM Re: Which number plate? [Re: Frank 4x4]
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