Solving this issue has been on my list for a while, and I bought an LED unit off e-bay before Christmas. There's also been a run of chat on Mogtalk recently about driving in France and the conclusion seems to be that if the centre brake light is fitted, it must not be obscured by luggage and must work. There are those who remove the centre brake light to maintain the Trad look, but I wouldn't do this for two reasons. First is that the high level brake light might just make the difference between being rear-ended or not. The second reason is that any modification from standard must be notified to your insurer. The truth is that this probably makes no difference, but I wouldn't want to find out that it did after a rear end shunt. Anyway, that's Dave's sermon over for today, so on with the plan.

First job was to remove the luggage carrier and spare wheel. While the spare was off the car I put 30psi in it. Much easier than when it's on the car.

My plan was to unplug the light and leave the car loom unaltered. This is the plug, just under the stalk. It has a simple securing clip and comes apart easily.


The stalk is secured with four wood screws. Not surprising really, but I would have fitted them a bit straighter........


Once off, I found the chassis number 'chalked' on the base. More like Tippex really. Note the rough top edge, and I had assumed that this stalk was plastic. It's metal.


This photo shows how the cables run down in a slot, and should be compared with the next picture - after fettling.


So now we see a black neoprene plug under the lamp, to keep damp at bay, and red insulating tape stuck over the wires, just to make it tidier. You can also see the white plug which I've put in to allow a second set of wires to run to the luggage high level lamp. All connections have been soldered. It's a while since I had the soldering iron out, so I quite enjoyed that. It's very relaxing.


I have had to switch from Firefox to Internet Explorer as my right click paste function still doesn't work in Firefox. Odd eh?
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This is how it looks refitted, and with some red tape over the screw heads. Compare with the second photograph from the top and you'll see the difference.

The two extra wires are wrapped in loom tape and go down the offside, linking with the existing loom in the rear corner and secured with cable ties. The idea is that the plug can be fished out from the hole between spare wheel and bodywork and connected to the extra lamp when needed. I'll do a picture of that in the final stages when hopefully it will be clearer.

Next step was the lamp bracket. I wanted stainless, but given how hard it is to work, I started with an offcut of approximately the right size. It's 0.7mm, so a bit thinner than I would like, but was a snip (Hah! a pun ) at 70p.


This was the initial shape, bent over various bits of wood. I bent the edges at about 30degrees in the vice to stiffen it up, and that worked quite well. I also drilled the two holes you can see with a fancy new drill bit, which was good considering how tricky stainless can be.


The idea is that the bracket simply clips onto the rack and is held by the luggage........ no extra holes in the Mog - remember?
The white is the plastic protective cover which I'll leave on until it's finished.


This is how it looks with the light unit added..........
Plus two more bends to get the light level.
Spot the neoprene edging.


Here's the underside. I've lined it with 3mm standard density neoprene, and left a slot for the wires. The neoprene will 'grip' the luggage cover and limit lateral movement. I'm hoping that there will be enough space for another thin layer of neoprene so that the wires are hidden completely.

Here's the rub though. Two of the LED's in this unit are faulty, so I can't finish & fit it. I have another unit on the way, so by next weekend I should be able to finish it off.

So for now, here's how the unfinished article looks in place.........



When the white plastic comes off, I think it should look OK.

Neat!

Cheers,

another professional job, we have come to expect nothing less . on 4/4 sport hi level brake light is recessed into rear deck, not sure if it will be obscured by luggage won't know until I do a trial run, first got to get a new case, thinking peli 1600

Another Nice one Dave. Presumably the H across strap will hold it in place.

Is that a DaveW Type Waterproof Suitcase Case cover as well?

Highly illuminating, don't stop!!

No Frank, it's the Simmonds cover & Samsonite case. I've had it a year but so far haven't managed to use it, despite my best intentions.

Nice work Dave, are you going somewhere nice.

Dunno yet Dave.....
We love the West Country so that's top of the agenda.
MrsW doesn't know about the bespoke luggage yet.......

Hoping to get to Malvern as well.
Lots of plans now MissW has left home = more flexibility.

Let's hope for a decent summer.

Hi Dave.
I presume that you WILL be going to Buxton for the Mog?

Funnily enough Frank...........
I can commute from 'ere..................
I'm in the Innovations section, and hope to spend the day gassing.

Can't wait.

Stupidly, I ticked that box!!
I think I will just go for a walk instead.

The replacement high level light arrived, and it's much neater than the first one. So as ever I'm evolving the plan........
This is the back and I'm still undecided whether or not to fit another thin layer of neoprene to hide the wire.



This is how the wire exits the bracket, a bit blurred as it's very close up.



Here's the front, now with protective plastic removed.



And a close-up of the unit, which has a much bigger red lens than the first one.



And here it is fitted but without the luggage. This photo is taken level, and as you can see, the new lamp is at the same height as the stalk lamp. A result which wasn't factored in, but is a pleasing outcome.



So all that's left now is to solder the terminals, fit the plug and decide whether or not to fit the extra neoprene. Then I'll road test it with the luggage fitted and take a couple of photo's outside to finish this thread off.

This is the plug in the spare wheel well. The red square patch shows which side is live.


And this is how I fish it out to connect........


I fitted the luggage tonight.......
The stainless bar is picking up the yellow reflection from the door insulation.


Here's how it looks in the dark.......
I feel much happier with this - you can see that it's also a big improvement on the standard round high level light, which is totally hidden under the boat bag!!!!!


Not very clear in these two photos, but the top of the case is level with the top of the windstop, so visibility to the rear is better than I remember.


Outside photos will follow to finish the story, but maybe not tomorrow, since something has cropped up.

PS - I did fit another thin layer of neoprene to the back, but forgot to take a picture!!!

you leaving home? all that luggage -and tonneau covering passenger seat- seriously though a very neat fix, got me thinking, but on Sport no wheel well to thread wiring through!!

Dave,
that looks very good as always
John

I'd second that.

Another excellent post for Dave's archive.

Hello Dave,
I've just looked over your brake light mod (excellent)and want to try something similar and would like to take advantage, if I may, of your insight here.
I hope to leave the existing light in place so it will work when luggage is removed but unplug and swap to a new lead for another lamp to strap onto the case when in transit. Obviously the lead would have to go over the top of the case and not look as tidy as yours. Is it easy to get a plug to match the one under the existing lamp?
Best Regards,

Hook, you'll see from the first photo that the plug is 'over-engineered' for the task, since it's over-large and has a safety clip to stop it coming undone. I haven't seen these for sale and although it might be possible to find one on the internet, it would take time. I suspect that the plug won't be available as a seperate part from dealers, but will come with the wire attached and probably the lamp reflector. You could however try Rutter's - they are good at sourcing obscure bits.
If you chose to plug/unplug your extra lamp the way you suggest, you'll have to take the spare wheel off to get at it. Have you considered that?

This is why I went for the spliced in 'umbilical cord' which is reasonably easy to fish out when required. It's not difficult splicing the loom, but it does need soldering for a lasting job.

Dave,
I see. I wonder if I could splice in and run the lead down to the bottom like yours and put in a switch in to swap between the two lamps?
Cheers,

Hook, yes you could, and I considered a changeover switch, but because you unplug and remove the 'luggage light' is there any point in having a switch?

have you tried vehicle-wiring-products.eu based in Ilkeston, they are a good source of connectors, cable and sleeving etc, saved me a small fortune when a mouse munched the fuel injection wires on my wife's Panda, they supplied injection connectors and stuff needed to splice a repair rather than buy new engine-loom

They get my vote too

http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.co.uk/VWPweb2000/homepage/home.html

Cheers,

That's a great source thanks Graham. I think I can see my way forward now and Dave is right, all I need is two connectors to swap between the two lights. A switch is a bit pointless. Bit of a slow learner but got there with your help!
Many thanks.

I get a lot of stuff from Vehicle Wiring Products. Good service.
I have a penchant for shrink wrap sleeving you know......

Presumably, this is to go with the neoprene?
I'm more into the split corrugated round trunking
There will be more going into RTA when I get to fitting real Lucas rear fog light...
The front, at the bulkhead end, which takes front spots, horn wiring etc. still needs tidying. I guess one day I shall be looking at rewiring the lot...

Cheers,

I had a run out this morning , and as promised, took a few photos.

First - here is the back of the light unit now there's a neoprene layer to cover the wiring.




You can see how cold & damp it was - the sidescreens were misting up.


And here's the rear view. And the end of this story.