2010 Morgan V6 Roadster Sports
230 hp
920 kg

Interesting Video content. Where is the Car?

I looked on the Geneva Motor Show 2010 web site where there a 1500ish photos. I looked at them all and not one Morgan.

Lots of other rubbish and Young Girlies.

I came to the conclusion in my earlier thread, wrongly, that Morgan were not there.

Not only 'Where's the car?' but 'Where's the crowds?' and 'Where's the enthusiasm from the Booth staff?' .....looks like they all had a late night the night before!

The Roadster Sport really looked great, as did the new Aero Supersports! I have photos to post, but due to other commitments it will be the weekend before I put them up.

The first two days of the show are press days, but the Morgan stand was busy yesterday and there were over 300-people for the cocktail party last night, including several TM members.

The doors open officially to the general public today.

wire wheels?
same engine but "adapted" (air-intake, ecu,...)?
lowering - weight measures?

update:
other FORUMS are better informed than us:
http://www.larevueautomobile.com/photos_Morgan_Roadster-Sport_image

That one is below the belt!!!!
Not surprising when its LHD & hidden in some empty Warehouse some place (in some foreign field that is forever England?). Driven by the young designer??? is it??? Its probably just a matter of Money

Will it be less expensive than the regular roadster or is it just a way to present the new engine (for Euro 5)?

euro5

what a car! well done MMC

some more photos:

http://www.larevueautomobile.com/photos_Morgan_Roadster-Sport_image

pricing: roadster is about 7k more than a +4 => if they price the roadster sport about 7k above the 4/4 sport, the car should be around 35k (which would be right in the middle between +4 and normal roadster)...

cheers
s.

EDIT - just saw that 1560 already posted the link... sorry for the spam

yeah, I'm fast isn't it

But is it quicker than a Series1 Lightweight?

hmm..

20hp less, about the same weight, probably less favorable gear ratio (EU5)

...but it's prettier!

I really like the black wire wheels. Not so sure about the black grille, though...

...and no "tread rubbers" In my opinion, they are useless. When ordering my baby, I didn't know better, so I even took an extra set. Now when washing the car, or when it's raining, water collects behind and between them leaving stains, when not being wiped off.

If you click on the link below it will take you to some images taken at Geneva

http://www.pbase.com/y100mmc/morgan_design

Great photos, thanks for sharing them.

Am I missing something; what is the numeral 8 doing on both the SuperSport Junior and the Roadster Sport?

Looks, like MMC found a much nicer solution for the 3rd brake light:

They must be going after the Chinese Market.

new seat in aeroSS
button (or plaquette) on dashboard of black R.V6s (right of steering wheel)
new 3th brakelight+hardtop=?????

Frank, I think you are looking at the inside of the folded hood! The high level brake light looks a really neat solution and seems to be built into the hood itself. Looks as if it would still be obscured by luggage on a rack - another project for Dave W?

Appears to be a start button http://www.pbase.com/y100mmc/image/122469202

Like the centre arm-rest/storage to make up for the lack of side pockets?

yep, start button,
so the guys developping the brushed alloy center-dash can start over

anyway: would have been much better to moved the starter-button in the Aero's, cause when you have a sat-nav with flip-up-screen

In fact, it looks different. The lower part of the roof is higher, so the position of the stoplight is higher too.

See? At least on my car the spare wheel would hide the light:

Ivo: we were shown around the car by Matt Humphries (on the photo in the grey suit) and the hood is altered at the back to accommodate the brake light and as you can see from the photo it is in a slightly higher position than yours. Also, it looks as though the spare wheel on your car is a full-sized spare, whereas the spare wheel on the Roadster Sports is a space-saver wire wheel so it does not stand as proud; thus giving a proper sight line to the 3rd brake light.

Flicking through the whole set of photos it appears that the hood folds differently on this model so what I was looking at is the light interior of the Hood and not a bodywork extension.
You can see that the spare wheel is either sitting down hell of a lot more than Ivo's Roadster spare wheel or could it be a 4/4 wheel just to get you home( or back to the Pits)

the roadster sport shown in the first link is in some details different to the geneva ones...
- no starter button
- full spare wheel (like IVO's - will this work with the breaking lights?)

...the geneva 4/4 sport was slightly different to final version too - let's see...

I hope that mmc keep's the pure simple spirt of the 4/4 sport

I like the altered hood, and how it folds. Looks much neater.

That high level brake light looks the same as fitted to 4 seaters (was looking at one at Donnington yesterday - on a 2008 +4 4 seater).

Cheers,

Hi Ivo,
Treads are not really useless, but you are right about water collection. You have to be careful because these treads are fixed with standard steel coach bolts, so after a while this assembly generates a catalytic phenomenon between the aluminium of the wing and the steel.
I reinstalled with the S/S button bolts, plastic washers, nylocs and “Duralac” to avoid catalyse. In addition I used silicone between treads and wing to avoid retaining water. Up to know it works and I am no longer using air gun to dry the water after every washing. Of course it is longer to remove and reinstall treads, because as I didn’t find so small S/S coach bolt, button bolts don’ have square cup, so I have to remove the rubber from the rail, screw each bolt and reinstall rubber, but when you like…
Best regards.
Daniel.

It seems as if my simple thinking on pricing (... right in the middle between +4 and normal Roadster...) was too naive. The Roadster Sport will be priced above the normal Roadster

But still a great looking car!

seems logical to me,
better equiped & more power

Oh dear. A space saver spare wheel, on a Morgan. Are you sure? It looks full size on the factory photos.

Nigel

Thanks Daniel, Another job for my list. (02 +8)

I'm getting electrolysis corrosion on both my doors, in both cases by the higher sidescreen mount. I'm not to sure why there and nowhere else. Damp side screens providing the necessary "electrolyte" is my only theory.

Door respray + Duralac required soon

Brian

I'm very sure, it was one of the differences pointed out by Matt (Humphries) on the Roadster Sport. It was the definitive car on the Geneva stand so as someone else has pointed out, there are some changes between it and the factory photos. I'm afraid that's about par for MMC.

Brian

God! is nothing sacred?

G

Good point, Daniel. I remember having read about corrosion in this area earlier.
How do you remove the rubber from the rail. Is is just "squeezed" in, and does it come out easily? How is it put back in?

...at least, it's a wire wheel

Thinner wheels are easier to do burn-outs with anyhow...

They do have benefits.

Yeh, but a lot less clever if you're stuck on a mountain road in Mid Wales in late afternoon/evening and the nearest tyre depot ( if open) could well be more than 50 miles away!

Cheers
G

More money for fewer comforts?

Yee Gods.......

Noooooooooooo.....................

sorry, I don't see less comfort,
doorpockets are gone but you get a net to make the glovebox use-able (mine isn't) and a cubby-box (had mine ordered in .DE)
hood/spare are in place

Hi Ivo,
Yes, it is. To remove, use a pointy tool in the side of the rubber to help to disengage it from the rail and pull it out. To reinstall, spread the rubber with soap, engage the end of the rubber in the end of the rail and from there, push firmly the rubber into the rail up to the other end. It is sometime hard for the finger but not very difficult to do. Be careful not to extend the rubber when you install, because it help to install but will be too long once at the end (experienced), so you should remove and reinstall again.
BR.
Daniel.

Thank you, Daniel

I think that the Roadster Sport starts from a different idea than the 4/4 Sport: the latter doesn't have a spare wheel, no possibility to have accessories, in order to have a lightweight car.

The Roadster to me seems more an edition made with a pre-chosen number of combinations in order to get customers to choose only within a range. All in all it seems to me a MY10 of the Roadster, which is somehow right to have because of the new engine. But I presume that the same engine will be used on normal Roadsters, or at least it'll be possible to get the extra 20 hp by a proper exhaust system, as it was until now with the 200 hp engine.

I'm a bit worried about the pricing of this car, is it going to be more expensive than an equivalent-fitted Roadster? Why?

I would have imagined that in change of a reduction in the number of options you could get a better price. One thing I liked about Morgans is the possibility to customize them down to the last bolt. Now with this variant you have only a bunch of colours, 1 interior colour, 1 hood colour, black wheels (which to me seems really unclassy) and black grille.

Also in the interior, this dash with a net to close the glovebox seems really poor (not racing, simply poor). Maybe I'm a bit overreacting here, but the "Sport" variant should be more a lightweight fast animal, rather than a simple combination of colours.

Does anyone know when the new prices for the normal Roadster and the Sport variant?

I noticed at the Milan dealer of Morgan a white Roaster (my09) with green interior and hood...this seems much nicer than the Sport to me, but I'd like to understand where the new models place themselves in term of equipment and prices.

Apparently the Sports will also have a black leather option - so I was told yesterday.

All opinions can be different: I love the black wired wheels and I love the black stone guard too.
I find the net in the glovebox is enough (nobody wants to open it to see there's nothing in) ...
And they are still people that don't like green ;-)

+1 - though I don't mind most greens, but not keen on duck-egg green!

I also like the net in the glovebox and have asked for one on my SuperSports.

Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh in my comments over the Roadster Sport, they were never meant to say that this is a car missing 50% of flavour to be perfect, it's more that it misses 1% to get to 105%.

I developed a strange passion for Morgans (and I'm sure I'm not the only one here), but I can also see that not having one and being quite new here I can only count on a limited experience and I should not judge before having seen things in reality.

For example, I saw the pictures posted here from the Milan dealer with the Roadster Sport and it does the wanted effect: an old time sports car.

Morgans will always be down to the bone in this (at least the classic range), even the most accessorised one will still have a big "WOW" effect if compared to the other tin cans you can find in the streets nowaday.

Once again, I apologize for my comment but I'll wait patiently to see the car live and to understand how this is prices if compared with a standard Roadster.

Jacopo

don't appologise, your views are as valid as anyone else's round here, the great thing about traditional Mogs is the variety of specifications. I always thought only a +8 would do it for me but 12 months on with a 4/4 Sport I realise the smaller engined versions have enormous character and I am now thinking maybe a 4/4 Sport Comp............

Welcome to Talk Morgan Jacopo

As Easter has said, there is no need to apologise for having an opinion.

To address a few of your points, I believe Morgan are going to remove the rear wheel on the production Roadster Sport, although I do not know this for certain and I could be wrong.

While the company do sell a road legal Roadster Lightweight, in my opinion, the Roadster Sport is more about blending the style of a 4/4 Sport model with the additional power of the V6. I don't view it as a lightweight creation but more of a stylish car that you could track should you wish but that probably wouldn't our perform the standard Roadster (unless you added a track pack with upgraded suspension, exhaust, etc).

You said: "The Roadster to me seems more an edition made with a pre-chosen number of combinations in order to get customers to choose only within a range."

And yes, this was the original idea of the 4/4 Sport - to provide a standard car, at a fixed price, which would allow the customer to buy a Morgan with ease and the factory to standardise (and speed up) production of these models.

Having seen the Morgan Roadster Sport in the metal, I can say it looks stunning - and beside the 4/4 Sport, the wider body is evident.

Anyway, those are my thoughts and again, welcome to the site.

Simon

Sand Roadster sport due in soon at RPM sans spare

http://www.rpm-morgan.co.uk/product.php?view=detail&item=25

I was speaking to Russell on Monday and he confirmed the production models would be without spares like the 4/4 sport.

Andy

Is it a wider body, or just the wings?

the frontframe is wider and therefore frontwings as well - the body still has same measurements!

True.

Sorry Ivo, I should have made my post clear.

So basically the normal Roadster Sport will be more similar to the 4/4 Sport not having the spare tyre (and also the bumpers)...

...will it be possible to have it as an option? I like to have the fifth wheel, it's more in line with the history (and also the racing Morgans had one or two spare tyres if i remember correctly).

I saw the price on the site of RPM above, how does this compare to a LHD version?

I am sorry Jack - there is no option called "fith wheel" with the Sports Series. If you want to have a spare wheel - you have to choose "traditional series".

Hi Jack,

you could carry a spare wheel of your choice by ordering the MORGAN 4/4 Sport´s luggage carrier plus a set of fittings for spare wheel-to-carrier, supplied by i.e. Flaving (i think may be "Mogstar" should know more?!)

If you choose the "narrow" (165/80-15) wheel of 4/4 Sport things won´t look TOO strange / "set-on-top" (see attachment below)

Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't there an option for 4/4 Sport to remove the back panel and to replace it with the one of the standard variant?

Or maybe I'm confusing with the option to add bumpers on the 100th year series which came without them?

Well in any case Mogstar is right, if the only difference between the Sport and the "normal" variant is purely a matter of different options pre-fitted then I feel it'll be better to fine tune the car by choosing the options one by one...

...but the engine of the Sport will be fitted also in the other Roadsters or it'll be unique?

What I really like, are the reflectors on the 4/4 Sport:


Don't know, if I get used to those round ones:


The third brake light solution, however...

Sunny greetings from sunny Luxembourg,
Ivo

3rd brakelight on 4/4 Sport is recessed into rear panel- not sure if Roadster Sport will follow this route or recess light into hood as per pic above. 4/4 relectors are ace, 3rd brake light is obscured if rack is used for luggage or spare, the daft thing is you probably only need a spare when touring and where then do you put your suitcase?

Leave tje WAG at home

For me, the lack of an actual spare wheel is a killer. I simply would not buy such a model (4/4 sport, roadster sport).

Nigel

I know this is tempting fate , but neither Head Office or myself have had a puncture in Europe in the last twenty years or more. I have no hesitation driving a car with no spare and neither of our Morgan's have a spare wheel.

If given a delete option of a spare wheel on a new car, I would definitely order it without a spare wheel regarding them as an anachronism from the past.

A trad' is, in its own essence, an anachronism.

As well as any stuff with 4 wheels and a dinosaurs juice engine abble to run up to 60mph.


I am an anachronism,

and I like that

I average a puncture a year so I must be daft to choose 4/4 Sport but I am the eternal optimist, also I've travelled many thousands of miles by motorcycle and was never unduly worried by lack of spare

So did I in my youth - and pushed it home a couple of times. Always late at night being left behind by the rest of the pack. ("oh! We wondered where you got to" was the plaintive cry the following day.

My Berkeley Trike had no spare either but I never punctured in that fortunately. The rear was a sod to get too even though you could lift the back up and hold it there while 'someone got under'to fiddle with it. Even though I joined the AA, they hated doing anything to it.

BTW. I have twice seen the AA changing the wheel at the side of the road on an 'Army' Vehicle while the squadies looked on. - Does that that make the AA a Para-military organisation?