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#453909 - 08/06/17 10:09 AM LED headlights
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Does Morgan supply them ie CE standard or do we have to go ebay ? And what are they like to use ?
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#453917 - 08/06/17 10:55 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
Eddie Offline

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My ARP4 had LEDheadlights and spotlights so Morgan must supply or obtain them.
They are very good, much better than the standard light fitted to the standard classic
Morgan.
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#453947 - 08/06/17 01:25 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Steve, I literally have just fitted these.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381400290588?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Pretty simple to do but I did buy a T10 connector per side to help on the side lights.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262317458261?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=561082115100&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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#453952 - 08/06/17 01:45 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: John V6]
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Those do look nice, are they full LED John, or is it just the running lights that are LED?
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#453961 - 08/06/17 02:42 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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I have fitted the ARP4 lights to my plus 8 but it's Led side lights only.
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#453972 - 08/06/17 03:21 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Just side lights. Have just posted some pics but within 5 min of fitting 2 of the LEDs have failed so I am now not a happy bunny.
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#453975 - 08/06/17 03:30 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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That's a shame John. I have had no problems with mine, so far that is!
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#453978 - 08/06/17 03:38 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
John V6 Offline

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The supplier is on the case. Mr Sod & his law I guess. It is on the drivers side & to get at the screw for the headlight rim you have to take of the indicator.
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#454004 - 08/06/17 05:34 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Have asked KH to get on the case and find out if the factory still do the ARP4 ones , if not they will look else where . Getting a timepiece 2 supplied from Wolf via KH but not sure where it will fit as airbag is on RHS facia but determined to have a nice timepiece !
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#454030 - 08/06/17 08:23 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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I have J.W. Speaker LED lights in my M3W and that I like very well.
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#454038 - 08/06/17 08:48 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
Burgundymog Offline

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Originally Posted By madmax
Have asked KH to get on the case and find out if the factory still do the ARP4 ones , if not they will look else where . Getting a timepiece 2 supplied from Wolf via KH but not sure where it will fit as airbag is on RHS facia but determined to have a nice timepiece !

Get the pair of clocks Steve fit on the transmission tunnel as per my Avatar
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#454094 - 09/06/17 08:03 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: Burgundymog]
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Originally Posted By Burgundymog
Originally Posted By madmax
Have asked KH to get on the case and find out if the factory still do the ARP4 ones , if not they will look else where . Getting a timepiece 2 supplied from Wolf via KH but not sure where it will fit as airbag is on RHS facia but determined to have a nice timepiece !

Get the pair of clocks Steve fit on the transmission tunnel as per my Avatar


Keith , this was my plan , the only thing is I can't get to the radio/cd , daft I know !


Edited by madmax (09/06/17 09:24 AM)
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#454109 - 09/06/17 09:03 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Originally Posted By madmax
Have asked KH to get on the case and find out if the factory still do the ARP4 ones , if not they will look else where . Getting a timepiece 2 supplied from Wolf via KH but not sure where it will fit as airbag is on RHS facia but determined to have a nice timepiece !


These are the ones I want... £525 a pair and also available with built in side lights.
NOLDEN LR069118

To me, they look more classical than many of the other offerings.
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#454122 - 09/06/17 10:08 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
Burgundymog Offline

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Originally Posted By madmax
Originally Posted By Burgundymog
Originally Posted By madmax
Have asked KH to get on the case and find out if the factory still do the ARP4 ones , if not they will look else where . Getting a timepiece 2 supplied from Wolf via KH but not sure where it will fit as airbag is on RHS facia but determined to have a nice timepiece !

Get the pair of clocks Steve fit on the transmission tunnel as per my Avatar


Keith , this was my plan , the only thing is I can't get to the radio/cd , daft I know !


I use remote control as I can't see or reach it without diving under the dash.
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#454839 - 13/06/17 10:03 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Update , Led headlights from the factory , wait for it ....£564 each , yes each , are they any different from John's I wonder , gold/silver embosed maybe !!!
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#454868 - 13/06/17 01:03 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Powerful uk do an HL730 full LED headlight for £289 per pair which I am waiting to hear as to wether it definitely fits a Mog. If they do I will order a pair , if they don't I'll get the ones with the Hd4 centre bulb ! Looking on their website they are both brighter than a halogen alternative.


Edited by madmax (13/06/17 03:43 PM)
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#454881 - 13/06/17 02:39 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Just posted some pictures of fitting the unit from ebay. These have LED side lights but not headlights.
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#454918 - 13/06/17 05:29 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Will now find out tomorrow if the 730's fit as the tech director was in a meeting , but the girl who answers the phone is excellent !
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#454954 - 13/06/17 07:59 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
John Winn Offline
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Assuming you are hoping to fit leds on an Aero Plus8 its my understanding that you will need a work around for the canbus system otherwise you will get a bulb failure warning on the dash. Peter G had some fitted by MMC, I am sure he can elaborate on what's involved.

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#454973 - 13/06/17 09:54 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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I had to fit resistors to overcome the canbus error message. Easy to do but remember the resistors get very hot so need to be carefully located.
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#454988 - 13/06/17 11:28 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: John Winn]
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MMC not only changed the lights but wiring too and had software written to overcome the bulb failure when I had all my lights changed over to LED's. Mine was the first Plus 8 they had done. I don't know if this would be required for headlights only or like Deano, who has fitted resistors to overcome the problem. Sure there's more than one solution.

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#455019 - 14/06/17 07:40 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: PeterG]
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Originally Posted By PeterG
MMC not only changed the lights but wiring too and had software written to overcome the bulb failure when I had all my lights changed over to LED's. Mine was the first Plus 8 they had done. I don't know if this would be required for headlights only or like Deano, who has fitted resistors to overcome the problem. Sure there's more than one solution.



Crickey ! I thought LED's put less strain on power requirement , so maybe there will be big problems using LEDs on a non LED Mog ?
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#455025 - 14/06/17 08:09 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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The LED headlight bulbs also need to be cooled & have in built fans.
The resistor is needed on canbus systems only.
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#455177 - 14/06/17 10:38 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: Peter J]
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This is what ive gone for this time rather than the jw speakers I fitted before. I'll put a pic up once the Noldens are in for sure though (currently in my cupboard haha)
Just for reference all the defender type headlights are plug and play. Its worth buying the stainless defender mounting ring at the same time as lights though.
Cheers Tom

Edit. just to ad my quote didnt work but was in reply to Peter smile


Edited by sailingtom (14/06/17 10:39 PM)
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#553072 - 10/01/19 06:22 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
Richard Wood Offline
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Found the need to improve lights on my Roadster so investigated full LED headlamps from Powerful UK as discussed above.

I had already fitted their ARV6 LED DRL lamps, but they retain a halogen headlamp bulb. Despite uprating bulb was generally disappointed with results on both main and dip. Lead to believe that anything that fits Defender will fit Morgan so took the plunge and ordered their E approved HL051 pair albeit on sale or return.

Just fitted driver side one without issue, in order to make comparison. These are results against garage wall as weather not friendly enough to try in anger yet.

DRL/sidelights only.



Although the ARV6 type on left employ 12 x LED's in smiley format and look brighter side on, the bluish unfocussed light is dim on wall by comparison with new in DRL/sidelight mode. Here the outer six focused LED's run on half power.

Next we have dipped beam. On the right LED headlamp this comes from single central large lens LED.



Although camera angle favours the old ones its no contest really. Very well defined cutoff with tip up to the left to illuminate kerb. Look above cutoff to see how dark bricks are compared with splatter all around from halogens on left.

Finally main beam from the six outer LED's on full power with central dip remaining on. All seven have total current draw well below single filament of halogen.



Again camera angle favours the old halogen but totally eclipsed by LED's.

Assured they are MOT friendly but only 20 minutes to swap back. Oh and no ECU/BCU issues.

Note that lens does protrude 4mm more through mounting ring than previous, but only noticeable close up side on.
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#553079 - 10/01/19 06:43 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
Paul F Offline

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That looks excellent - thanks for taking the time to post the details.

One question - do you just apply a mask of some kind for European touring?
The web site you link to makes no mention of how this is achieved.
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#553084 - 10/01/19 06:50 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Glad to see you've sorted this Richard !
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#553085 - 10/01/19 06:54 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: Paul F]
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Originally Posted By Paul F
One question - do you just apply a mask of some kind for European touring?

Just do an Aero and have them cross-eyed.
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#553092 - 10/01/19 07:19 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: Paul F]
Richard Wood Offline
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Originally Posted By Paul F
That looks excellent - thanks for taking the time to post the details.

One question - do you just apply a mask of some kind for European touring?
The web site you link to makes no mention of how this is achieved.


No specific idea Paul. Given how easy it is to swap, I'd be tempted to pop in some LHD ones though - less of a bodge wink
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#553095 - 10/01/19 07:24 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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#553106 - 10/01/19 08:22 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: Craig Jezz]
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Originally Posted By Craig Jezz


Goodness! They cost a bit
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#553107 - 10/01/19 08:30 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: sailingtom]
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Originally Posted By sailingtom
Just for reference all the defender type headlights are plug and play. Its worth buying the stainless defender mounting ring at the same time as lights though.
Cheers Tom


I will visit the Nolden factory next week, they are based here in Cologne. Why do I need the stainless defender mounting ring? Does the Morgan ring not fit when mounting the LEDs?

This is the new generation Defender LED which includes day light now. On ebay it costs 810 € a pair.

https://www.noldengmbh.de/en/company/news/the-next-generation-ncc-7-bi-led


Edited by Heinz (10/01/19 08:41 PM)

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#553108 - 10/01/19 08:32 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: Richard Wood]
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Originally Posted By Richard Wood
Found the need to improve lights on my Roadster so investigated full LED headlamps from Powerful UK as discussed above.

I had already fitted their ARV6 LED DRL lamps, but they retain a halogen headlamp bulb. Despite uprating bulb was generally disappointed with results on both main and dip. Lead to believe that anything that fits Defender will fit Morgan so took the plunge and ordered their E approved HL051 pair albeit on sale or return.

Just fitted driver side one without issue, in order to make comparison. These are results against garage wall as weather not friendly enough to try in anger yet.

DRL/sidelights only.



Although the ARV6 type on left employ 12 x LED's in smiley format and look brighter side on, the bluish unfocussed light is dim on wall by comparison with new in DRL/sidelight mode. Here the outer six focused LED's run on half power.

Next we have dipped beam. On the right LED headlamp this comes from single central large lens LED.



Although camera angle favours the old ones its no contest really. Very well defined cutoff with tip up to the left to illuminate kerb. Look above cutoff to see how dark bricks are compared with splatter all around from halogens on left.

Finally main beam from the six outer LED's on full power with central dip remaining on. All seven have total current draw well below single filament of halogen.



Again camera angle favours the old halogen but totally eclipsed by LED's.

Assured they are MOT friendly but only 20 minutes to swap back. Oh and no ECU/BCU issues.

Note that lens does protrude 4mm more through mounting ring than previous, but only noticeable close up side on.




Hi Richard

Can you post a picture front the front of the car, to show what they look like from outside i.e do they still look like normal headlights H4's?

Thanks Mark
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#553117 - 10/01/19 09:21 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
Richard Wood Offline
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Putting the other in tomorrow Mark so will post photo then.

Note Powerful UK offer another headlamp pair (HL730) employing four main LED elements. The two larger lens ones oriented left and right provide dip beam. The two smaller top and bottom, main beam although dip ones remain on as well. The DRL is an outer 'angel eye' ring formed of 80 tiny LED's with diffuser to give solid ring of light. A little more expensive but using Osram LED elements.

The ones I bought came out brightest in their comparative test though and I preferred the look. Note you can choose black rather than chrome background. Thought this would leave my car with pisshole in the snow effect though oops
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#553311 - 11/01/19 08:27 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Richard, thanks for the impressive pics. How do you wire the day drive light? Does it get power via the first stage of the switch, so that it is controlled by the side light? Because then the rear lights are also on during the day? Or is it an extra wire that is switched on via the ignition?

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#553335 - 11/01/19 10:58 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Both lamps now fitted. Have to admit it gives the car a sinister look but less noticeable in brighter conditions.



In answer to Heinz query, the headlamp flying lead to male three pin H4 type connector has an extra wire with male spade termination. Connecting this wire to sidelight positive feed provides DRL option, with earth return through main headlamp connection.

A 120 mile round trip this afternoon with return mainly in the dark gave excellent test. Confidence inspiring white pool of light on dip with the very well defined cutoff apparently leaving no worries to the heavy oncoming traffic. When I finally had opportunity to try main beam it was night into day 😎
To say I was impressed is a huge understatement happy3
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#553343 - 11/01/19 11:44 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: Heinz]
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Originally Posted By Heinz
Richard, thanks for the impressive pics. How do you wire the day drive light? Does it get power via the first stage of the switch, so that it is controlled by the side light? Because then the rear lights are also on during the day? Or is it an extra wire that is switched on via the ignition?


See answer above Heinz.

To add though the current Roadster has front and rear sidelights permanently on with ignition feed, so wiring up as suggested gives automatic daytime lights. There is no further side/position light mode with these particular headlamps and no dedicated feed for such in tbe Morgan loom anyway. Switching the sidelights on with light switch does nothing other than dimming panel lights when driving.

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#553344 - 11/01/19 11:45 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Thanks Richard, so does it mean it is the usual side light control on step one of the light switch and the rear lights are also switched on during the use of DRL? which is not an issue in my view.

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#553345 - 11/01/19 11:50 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Yes all you are doing with this conversion is replacing factory position light within headlamp with DRL.
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#553346 - 11/01/19 11:50 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Okay, we were almost at the same time with our posts. So I would think, with the 4/4 I would switch DRL to the side light, because the 4/4 has no permanent side light on modus.

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#553347 - 11/01/19 11:58 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Yes probably the best option using first position of light switch to operate DRL plus rear lights. You are in control then with DRL doubling as front position light, unless you have optional wing top lights of course.


Edited by Richard Wood (12/01/19 12:00 AM)
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#553349 - 12/01/19 12:15 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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One more question, we have a legal requirement that the DRL must be dimmed when the headlights are switched on. Do these replacement LED lights do this automatically internally?

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#553370 - 12/01/19 09:21 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Will need to check Heinz although DRL intensity is many times weaker than dipped beam so would guess it's not dimmed.

Main beam uses the same six outer focused LED'S that provide DRL function, but on full power, so issue becomes irrelevant.

I wonder if this requirement in your country is for vehicles with separate DRL lights not integrated ones as this is.


Edited by Richard Wood (12/01/19 09:34 AM)
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#553398 - 12/01/19 11:07 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Richard, It seems to be a good feature of your product because in this case there is no extra DRL left during the drive light use.

The problem with morer daytime running lights is that they are not bundled and radiate everywhere. Morer people have attached additional DRL to their older cars and this can get on your nerves at night because they don‘t dimm.

The newer Nolden headlight, generation 2 (not the Defender OEM generation 1) I wanted to choose has extra DRL which has no other lighting function, it is integrated in the housing but separated technically so I have to find out if it is dimmed automatically. Or I switch it via my air conditioner button, just like the additional high beam on the P4SS used to.

I could choose an LED without DRL like Nolden generation 1 or others but during day time I don't want to do without a new DRL, because I always drive with light anyway.

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#553556 - 13/01/19 11:04 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Can confirm that the DRL function turns off when dipped beam selected. For more info on these BLHL7R-C headlamps click image.



Note dipped beam uses Phillips LED and the six outer main beam ones Cree.
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#553648 - 13/01/19 05:58 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Richard, considering the price and the impressive performance in the comparison test I am tempted also to order and try your choice (LHD for Germany). 255 GBP a pair sounds much more attractive than 880€ a pair of Nolden.

In the product description for using in a Defender the below quoted advice is written on the powerfulUK site concerning the HL051:

„...We recommend using our open back headlight bowls when fitting these headlights as these LED headlights are sealed and run brighter the cooler they are. ( Search our other items for part number "HLB194" )...“

I guess the Morgan does not need a bowl at all because the lamp housing is sealed anyway? But does the sealed lamp housing of the Morgans on the other side could let the LEDs become too hot?

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#553662 - 13/01/19 07:30 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Could this be of any interest?
www.bettercarlighting.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=737
Saw it mentioned on TM a while ago, don't know the product. Sounds almost too good to be true, strange that neither of the big companies (Osram, Phillips) has come out with something similar. Personally, the LEDs of Williams or the like is not to my taste. I think a Morgan's appearance should be strictly classic, but of course if it i possible to combine looks with improved light, it would be nice. I've put in Osram Nightbreakers, good enough for me. Of course not like LEDs, but bright enough.
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#553664 - 13/01/19 07:43 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Originally Posted By Robbie Mathisen
Sounds almost too good to be true


I've not learned much in my 60 years, but I have learned that if something seems too good to be true it is.

How could you stop lights this bright dazzling either oncoming drivers or traffic in front of you?
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#553674 - 13/01/19 08:25 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Just my view but all LED headlamps are very bright. They generally don't dazzle people on dipped beam because of the exceptionally sharp cutoff of light above a certain level/distance. This cutoff line is very apparent on the rear valance of any car you may be following, as noticed on both my Roadster and our three year old Mini.

Obviously they require careful adjustment and use of dipped beam. They also present a worst case scenario when your car crests a steep hill and an oncoming vehicle is looking up into them. I would imagine a Mog scrores better here given its low headlamp location though. It's firm front suspension is also an advantage limiting the bouncing of light onto oncoming.

Regarding Heinz query on cooling, undoubtedly the open back bowls would seem to offer better cooling but not a justifiable option for my car. I convinced myself given headlamp location and loose fit of headlamp rim to lens, there will be plenty of air flowing around the standard bowl. After a one hour journey in the dark I could detect no heat at all eminating from them.

BTW on the journey mentioned returning from visiting Cain, and on the A11 a new Aston shot past me. The drivers enthusiastic style meant brake lights were constantly on and off as he attempted to make brisk progress in the outer lane. As I followed at a safe distance, this wouldn't have been a worry but for the unmistakable high level LED brake light repeater stretching the full width of rear screen. Could not believe this huge band of exceptionally bright solid red light could be legal scared


Edited by Richard Wood (13/01/19 10:37 PM)
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#553679 - 13/01/19 08:48 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: Richard Wood]
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Originally Posted By Richard Wood
Just my view but all LED headlamps are very bright. They generally don't dazzle people on dipped beam because of the exceptionally sharp cutoff of light above a certain level/distance. This cutoff line is very apparent on the rear valance of any car you may be following, as noticed on both my Roadster and our three year old Mini.


Richard, you make an interesting point about cut-off on dipped beam. My Volvo has active bending lighting and very bright lights although they are not LEDs. The cut-off on dipped beam is severe and when following traffic at night on unlit roads at a distance suitable for the speed one is travelling at this leaves a totally black space between to top of the cut-off and the preceding vehicle which is very disconcerting. I have been told by a number of people that in this situation they leave their main beams on irrespective of whether there is oncoming traffic.
My lights on main beam are excellent but I would be much happier with a bit more light spill on dipped beam if it wasn't too intrusive for the car in front or, indeed, oncoming traffic.
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#553685 - 13/01/19 09:34 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: Richard Wood]
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Originally Posted By Richard Wood


Regarding Heinz query on cooling, undoubtedly the open back bowls would seem to offer better cooling but not a justifiable option for my car. I convinced myself given headlamp location and loose fit of headlamp rim to lens, there will be plenty of air flowing around the standard bowl. After a one hour journey in the dark I could detect no heat at all eminating from them.


I have read that the heat develops also or even more at the back of a LED housing. Perhaps you could feel if there is any heat outside at the top back of the headlight bowl on the wing of the Mog. But I‘m confident that there ist enough space and air.

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#553692 - 13/01/19 10:32 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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I understand your concern Heinz although mildly optimistic it won't be an issue. The units are heavy as the whole rear of lamp is a finned cast aluminium heat sink. The suppliers mention that light output may be impaired if they run too hot, that's all. Working temperature is -40 to 60°C. Others I've seen claim higher.

I have a laser thermometer so will try and obtain some accurate temp indications. The bowls are plastic though so not going to conduct much heat. If it becomes an issue I would drill a hole in the base of bowl with rubber tube inserted externally to prevent direct water ingress whilst improving air flow.
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#553700 - 13/01/19 11:03 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: Robbie Mathisen]
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Could this be of any interest?
www.bettercarlighting.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=737
Saw it mentioned on TM a while ago, don't know the product. Sounds almost too good to be true, strange that neither of the big companies (Osram, Phillips) has come out with something similar. Personally, the LEDs of Williams or the like is not to my taste. I think a Morgan's appearance should be strictly classic, but of course if it i possible to combine looks with improved light, it would be nice. I've put in Osram Nightbreakers, good enough for me. Of course not like LEDs, but bright enough.





Your link Robbie is to H4 fitting LED replacements for halogens. My understanding is that many such fitments leave illegal lighting as you are relying on the OE reflectors and or lens pattern optimised for dual filament halogens.

As mentioned the dedicated ones I've fitted do use two of the leading brands of LED chip namely Phillips and Cree an American company.
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#553706 - 13/01/19 11:43 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Quality of manufacturing seems good.
https://youtu.be/TScI-9C1Bhw

Regarding the fitted in Philips and Cree LED it sounds really serious (and that a Chinese company has to mention it if you see the usual copied rubbish) and it sounds funny at the same time to our ears what BRTLED writes in their FAQ when they mention Osram. (#14):

„We, BRTLED, stick to manufacturing unique & higher premium LED lighting for our clients so that we utilize real imported Cree led or Philips led instead of Cheap domestic imitated Cree or Osram led.

I have just seen that it is a Taiwanese company, even if there are factories of those in China and elsewhere.



Edited by Heinz (13/01/19 11:56 PM)
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#553725 - 14/01/19 07:58 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: Richard Wood]
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Your link Robbie is to H4 fitting LED replacements for halogens. My understanding is that many such fitments leave illegal lighting as you are relying on the OE reflectors and or lens pattern optimised for dual filament halogens.


Exactly. They use the reflector bowl and lens designed to manage the light from a halogen bulb. I fail to see how they can be so much brighter without producing dazzle.

Go for properly-designed LED units by all means, but I have reservations about these.

How many of us drive our Morgans at night so fast that we need such lights anyway?
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#553733 - 14/01/19 08:44 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Totally agree. If I were to change to LEDs it would be on my daily (nightly) driver, a Toyota from 2004. But also in this I put in Osram Nightbreakers with good result. Putting LEDs in a car that I drive only in (bright nordic) summer, at a leisurly pace and seldom at night is for me a waste of money.
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#553735 - 14/01/19 09:08 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: Robbie Mathisen]
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Originally Posted By Robbie Mathisen
Could this be of any interest?
www.bettercarlighting.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=737
Saw it mentioned on TM a while ago, don't know the product. Sounds almost too good to be true, strange that neither of the big companies (Osram, Phillips) has come out with something similar. Personally, the LEDs of Williams or the like is not to my taste. I think a Morgan's appearance should be strictly classic, but of course if it i possible to combine looks with improved light, it would be nice. I've put in Osram Nightbreakers, good enough for me. Of course not like LEDs, but bright enough.



Robbie, that's what I have used in a classic Mini (still running a dynamo for originality) with great results & just put a pair in the Mog, very bright & good colour rendition of distant objects - they make Nightbreakers look like a yellow candle

I prefer them in classics as I'm not too keen on the very modern look of some of the complete LED replacement units
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#553745 - 14/01/19 09:45 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Cooperman, you are about to convince me, in spite of me being happy with the nightbreakers. Any issues with them being legal or not, dazzle etc. as mentioned by others? Were they difficult to mount? Concerning looks, I agree with you. With all respect, I think the complete LED replacements are hideous on a Mog.
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#553751 - 14/01/19 10:59 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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I like the look of the complete LED units also not so much in the Morgan. Personally I am not "light hungry". Until about 2 years ago I was always satisfied with my H4 light.

But cars are getting brighter and brighter, many have LED, not a few have set it wrong and dazzle, you sit quite deep in the Morgan. And if I come in the spring and autumn into the deep twilight, and it is also still a little wet, then I see nothing more in the oncoming traffic with my H4 candles.
That's why a LED headlight in the Morgan is important to me for safety reasons,

And dear people, keep your hands off these H4 LED spare bulbs. The light is so bright that the reflector technology of the H4 headlights is not suitable for it. This is no fun, you bring your oncoming traffic into life-threatening situations.

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#553757 - 14/01/19 12:12 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Heinz, I do not understand this. I am not at all an expert on car lights, but provided the H4 LED bulb have the same geometry and the same light array as conventional H4, why should the reflector have to be different? I agree they could be very bright, but isn't that the purpose? The only way to reduce the brightness should be to make the bulb less powerful, in my mind. In Norway before, a conventional bulb should have no more than 55 W, although 100 W was available but illegal. With xenon and LED this is now changed, there is no limit to the output. Of course the dipping should work well, not to blind an oncoming driver.
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#553760 - 14/01/19 12:26 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Robbie, if you see some youtube test of full LED units they all have a razor sharp horizontal line. A normal reflector could never reach this amount of precision regardles how well the (LED) bulb has been made. But your idea is very plausible, just to limit the lux and not the W. Then a LED bulb could be considered also.

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#553781 - 14/01/19 02:07 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Heinz, agree, full LED units are extremely sharp, surely due to the combination bulb/reflector. So we can agree on putting in a LED bulb in a conventional reflector will give less sharp boundaries. But a conventional halogen bulb in a conventional reflector is not razor sharp either. In other words, is it possible that we will get the same blurry boundaries with LED as with halogen, but at least higher intensity? In other words, something gained, but nothing lost?
Well, well. Being a summertime and mostly daylight driver I will stick to my Osram Nightbreakers untill they die. When that happens, I will reconsider. Given the low mileage on a Mog, it might be a while.
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#553837 - 14/01/19 07:50 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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The H4 LED replacements don't recreate the very fine focal point of a H4 filament though. Additionally they have physical surfaces that reflect light in the wrong direction.

For a LED replacement lamp to work the same the actual chip would need to be the same tiny size as the filament at suspended on the same tiny wire.

A filament is 360° along its length a LED isn't.

Should be picked up on an mot or equiv. And a fail. If they could be bothered.
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#553843 - 14/01/19 08:20 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: Robbie Mathisen]
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Originally Posted By Robbie Mathisen
Cooperman, you are about to convince me, in spite of me being happy with the nightbreakers. Any issues with them being legal or not, dazzle etc. as mentioned by others? Were they difficult to mount? Concerning looks, I agree with you. With all respect, I think the complete LED replacements are hideous on a Mog.


Robbie, there seems to be a few contra comments here, my personal experience is that decent quality OE reflectors handle the new LED bulbs fine & without glare

I spent a lot of time comparing brands before finally going for the ones Gill has made, they are well engineered & replicate the exact position and filament length with the internals, there is a grubscrew to fine tune the position of the main 'bulb' part to the backplate, also the internal LEDs are shielded with internal reflector baffle to stop unwanted light leakage
I measured the beam pattern angle and cut-off both before & after against a wall in our work underground car park and it was identical (except brighter & whiter)
If I can find my photos & try & post them
I will be taking the car(s) to an MOT station to have the aim checked for peace of mind, but by eye against the wall the dip to beam setting looks as it was with H4 halogen
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#553868 - 14/01/19 10:12 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Cooperman, seems that you take your stuff seriously, both doing your reseach, testing/measuring the result and writing a good answer. Thanks.
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#553869 - 14/01/19 10:17 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Cooperman, seems that you take your stuff seriously, both doing your reseach, testing/measuring the result and writing a good answer. Thanks.
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#553926 - 15/01/19 10:04 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: Heinz]
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Originally Posted By Heinz
I like the look of the complete LED units also not so much in the Morgan. Personally I am not "light hungry". Until about 2 years ago I was always satisfied with my H4 light.

But cars are getting brighter and brighter, many have LED, not a few have set it wrong and dazzle, you sit quite deep in the Morgan. And if I come in the spring and autumn into the deep twilight, and it is also still a little wet, then I see nothing more in the oncoming traffic with my H4 candles.
That's why a LED headlight in the Morgan is important to me for safety reasons,

And dear people, keep your hands off these H4 LED spare bulbs. The light is so bright that the reflector technology of the H4 headlights is not suitable for it. This is no fun, you bring your oncoming traffic into life-threatening situations.


Agree with all your comments Heinz. In my own case a single 25 mile journey in full darkness and drizzle convinced me lighting had to be improved to reduce the contrast between my own pool of light on dipped beam and that of oncoming cars, not helped by low seating position of course.

Regarding looks well not traditional I agree, but have a look at this factory ARP4. I think I could live with one wink



It's my opinion for reasons Heinz offers that even if you use your Mog just once a year at night then upgrading lighting with dedicated, legal LED headlamps, using projector optics on dip, is justified. Ditto proper DRL's given the low profile of Trad's.

I note that a limited number of high end cars employ laser headlamps now with an RR version providing an illuminated path over 600 metres ahead! Where will it all end innocent


Edited by Richard Wood (15/01/19 10:09 AM)
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#553934 - 15/01/19 11:36 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: Richard Wood]
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Originally Posted By Richard Wood


I note that a limited number of high end cars employ laser headlamps now with an RR version providing an illuminated path over 600 metres ahead! Where will it all end innocent


Another let down by the EU. Here is a classic situation where they could have done something useful for a change. The original 60 watt limit was to prevent dazzle, manufacturers today led by German manufacturers mainly have got around the legislation by fitting high power low wattage lights. Time for change. stirpot
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#553943 - 15/01/19 01:21 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: CooperMan]
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Originally Posted By Robbie Mathisen
Cooperman, you are about to convince me, in spite of me being happy with the nightbreakers. Any issues with them being legal or not, dazzle etc. as mentioned by others? Were they difficult to mount? Concerning looks, I agree with you. With all respect, I think the complete LED replacements are hideous on a Mog.


Robbie, there seems to be a few contra comments here, my personal experience is that decent quality OE reflectors handle the new LED bulbs fine & without glare

I spent a lot of time comparing brands before finally going for the ones Gill has made, they are well engineered & replicate the exact position and filament length with the internals, there is a grubscrew to fine tune the position of the main 'bulb' part to the backplate, also the internal LEDs are shielded with internal reflector baffle to stop unwanted light leakage
I measured the beam pattern angle and cut-off both before & after against a wall in our work underground car park and it was identical (except brighter & whiter)
If I can find my photos & try & post them
I will be taking the car(s) to an MOT station to have the aim checked for peace of mind, but by eye against the wall the dip to beam setting looks as it was with H4 halogen


So the photos as promised...

Before on the Roadster



With left changed only, LED still has good cut-off and beam shape as before



And not quite as scientific but on the Classic Mini (same headlamps as a Mog) left H4 halogen right LED, both dipped

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#553944 - 15/01/19 01:35 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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And finally some full frontal LED Mog porn...

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#553961 - 15/01/19 02:56 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Very smart simple lines Jon, love the valance thumbs

Cain has already started on mine. Popped over the other day so he could place the brake vents which need to be as far out as cosmetics will allow, as I want overriders retained.
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#554042 - 15/01/19 10:42 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Cooperman, looks very good. Cannot see why this should bother oncoming drivers. Something to consider when my Nightbreakers say goodbye. Or perhaps before....
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#554516 - 18/01/19 02:40 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Just for a comparison I took my modern BMW with factory option LED headlamps to the same spot

This is Dipped



This is Full beam

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#557402 - 02/02/19 08:34 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: CooperMan]
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Here we are, Unfortunately no nice pictures with landscape, it snows, rains and is very salty since a week here. That's why she stays in the basement garage.
But it's all about how the headlights look to her.
Of course, the classic H4 headlight is the best look, or even these old Lucas with the three rods.
But the look could be worse in my view. I post it because it's a deviation from Richard's car, narrow body and chrome rings with the headlights.

The light output is not writable. I am curious how it will be on the road at dusk. But everything has already been said here about that.
The lights probably still have to be adjusted exactly by a professional. I was now defensive in the alignment, so that nobody is dazzled.

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BTW the DRL is still running when the dipped beam is switched on. But I don't think it's a problem. With high beam, the small lamps add up with full power.

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#557405 - 02/02/19 09:02 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Looks fine Heinz - maybe better with the chrome rims.

Must admit that the advice I gave you on DRL mode switching off on dipped beam was from sales pictures. In any case you may have noticed that the current draw from DRL alone is just 1 watt (24 watts on full power).

Regarding adjustment I wound the previously fitted ARV6 headlamps one full turn downwards as testing suggested they were too high. With the LED's I put them back to factory setting as a reference point. They seem to be spot on innocent

ETA: for the benefit of others the middle picture Heinz posted is DRL alone.


Edited by Richard Wood (02/02/19 09:12 AM)
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#557412 - 02/02/19 09:19 AM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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In combination with your black grill and Le mans overriders the black headlight ring looks very good as well, Richard.
I had thought how black LEDs would look like, but I didn't order it because the small LEDs would only stand out even more.

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#575234 - 05/05/19 02:37 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: Heinz]
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In the "LED bulbs vs LED headlights" discussion I found the below test quite informative... net net be very careful with H4 LED bulb replacement selection if you want to (risk?) that route...
https://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/blog/are-led-headlight-bulbs-the-brightest/

Main question for those going for the (car*) LED headlight is... what do you do when you travel abroad and need to change the dip direction or mask the headlight? (* AFAIK bike headlights don't do a directional dip, but are not car-legal... )

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#575301 - 05/05/19 07:04 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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I'm sure bike headlamps do have directional dips Paul. I was sold a US spec Guzzi back in the 70's and that certainly dipped to the right.

Regarding travelling abroad with halogen or LED headlamps, it should only take a couple of minutes each side to swap to right hand dip units. A good investment if your abroad regularly.
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#575448 - 06/05/19 04:58 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: Richard Wood]
PaulV Offline
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Originally Posted By Richard Wood
I'm sure bike headlamps do have directional dips Paul. I was sold a US spec Guzzi back in the 70's and that certainly dipped to the right.

Regarding travelling abroad with halogen or LED headlamps, it should only take a couple of minutes each side to swap to right hand dip units. A good investment if your abroad regularly.

Thaks Richard - not sure where I got that bikes had non-directional dipping (maybe it is in the US? for example these LEDs are inexpensive BUT dont seem to have a directional dip... https://www.amazon.com/Wisamic-Motorcycle-Headlight-Compatible-Fatboy-Black/dp/B01M63N6PJ )


Edited by PaulV (06/05/19 04:59 PM)

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#575489 - 06/05/19 07:20 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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Bike should have directional dips. When I have taken bikes to Europe or brought them back when we lived abroad changing the headlight was required for approval & licensing.
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#575521 - 06/05/19 10:19 PM Re: LED headlights [Re: madmax]
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US and Japanese Dip tend to be flat with little or no kickup.

Which negates the need for a headlamp change as they don't dazzle oncoming traffic.
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