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#45988 - 16/06/10 03:20 PM Re: Morgan EvaGT: discussing the CAR (not MMC) [Re: Graham, G4FUJ]
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The EvaGT chassis is an aero chassis, likely stretched a bit to accomodate two seats for short legged passengers. So I wouldn t expect much change on the way the car will handle

Being longer, it might be more stable at high speeds, but being less agile in sharp turns.

In the meantime, with a longer chassis, the ground clearance should be marginally lower, forcing to either put higher wheels or raise the suspension

None of these choices will make the car more confortable than an Aero.

The engine being a straight six is likely to be longer than the current V8, hence putting more weight on the front wheels. As a consequence, the nose might be heavier

Honestly, whilst the max has 70 BHP or so more than the EvaGT, I tend to think that 300 HP in a 1200 kilo car is more than enough to make it fast...

Having driven my Aeromax for 20.000 kilometers, hereafter some points which I think should be improved should a true GT be designed

1-The steering isn t great. It is too light, the feedback is marginal, and it doesn't self center.

Whilst I changed the set up (A bit more camber and toe out) and therefore improved a bit the steering, it is milles away from what you get from a Lotus or a Caterham

2-The suspension is quite harsh at low speeds.

I think the wheel travel distance is limited and the car is firmly springed. Rose joints don t help either. At speed, things are much better I must say, but in town, my personal sensors located in an intimate place, can read the brand name on every cigarette bud I drive over. Rose joints are also noisy.

3-Acces in the car is a challenge for overweighted and ageing drivers

Whilst this wouldn t be a concern to many of you, I personally have a challenge on this. Not only the door aperture is limited in high, the sills are massive, but also the steering wheel is very low.

4-Heating and air conditioning are to be improved

I have not yet the new fan fitted, but in short, so far, I have two choices in summer:
-Hot and silent
-Hot and noisy

And in winter, I also have two choices:
-Cold and silent
-Cold and noisy

The fan doesn t push enough air in the car, the doors aren t tight, a lot of cold comes from the door speakers and the air vents are in unsufficient number

5- Electrickery

A GT should not open their door windows when it rains, open the boot, shut the light under heavy rain. The cruise control should work at all times, the tyre pressure should work. The main wires should not be bolted by ridiculous screws which are underdimensioned

I know by experience that getting this isn t easy but it can be done

Now, don t get me wrong:

I am deeply in love with the Aeroamx. After 40 cars or so, this one is still a delight 18 months after I got it. None of my previous cars was kept for so long and I can t remeber having enjoyed so much any car I ever had. I think, I will keep this for as long as I or my sons can drive it

The defaults I mentioned here, are a price to pay for the heritage of the car and its low volume of production. However, I think some of the issues could be adressed without much costs, just by testing and testing and testing AGAIN AND AGAIN

If you are after a practical GT with all the toys you may dream off, MP3, TV, massage seats, cup holders, relaibility etc.... buy an Audi or BMW. I had several of these, and they are to me, as exciting as a micro wave or a dishwasher. Perefct machines with no soul, purely functional

If you want a car with character and emotional appeal, buy Morgan.

And register with AA or the RAC....

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#46012 - 16/06/10 09:06 PM Re: Morgan EvaGT: discussing the CAR (not MMC) [Re: loiseau]
mr_tony Offline
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Registered: 02/10/06
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Just a quick note - got some data back from a tuner (more tomorrow) and it's a truly impressive engine MMC have selected).

I take back all the concerns I raised - it seems this is incredibly tunable and versatile engine and will easily offer imressive gains to those who want to tweak their Eva GT for a bit more 'welly'. Seems like the perfect choice for this car.

I'll post up the info I have tomorrow.
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#46013 - 17/06/10 04:47 AM Re: Morgan EvaGT: discussing the CAR (not MMC) [Re: mr_tony]
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Originally Posted By: mr_tony
Just a quick note - got some data back from a tuner (more tomorrow) and it's a truly impressive engine MMC have selected).

I take back all the concerns I raised - it seems this is incredibly tunable and versatile engine and will easily offer imressive gains to those who want to tweak their Eva GT for a bit more 'welly'. Seems like the perfect choice for this car.

I'll post up the info I have tomorrow.


got full n° from my friends Z4 35i:
361 pk en 575 Nm @ 3919 Tr/Min
yihaaaaa!!!!!! arr
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#46014 - 17/06/10 04:57 AM Re: Morgan EvaGT: discussing the CAR (not MMC) [Re: 1560]
mr_tony Offline
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I have graphs ;-)
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#46032 - 17/06/10 09:06 AM Re: Morgan EvaGT: discussing the CAR (not MMC) [Re: mr_tony]
mr_tony Offline
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Edited by mr_tony (17/06/10 09:08 AM)
Edit Reason: oops double posted..

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#46034 - 17/06/10 09:07 AM Re: Morgan EvaGT: discussing the CAR (not MMC) [Re: mr_tony]
mr_tony Offline
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OK - DMS Automotive in Southampton provided me this printout of the tuning opportunity (remap) for a 335i N55 engine..



Looks promising - 375bhp and >400lbb/ft of torque. Probably enough for me!

Incidentally they also offer a remap of the 4.8 S4 engine that adds around 35bhp. Interesting.

Remaps for <1000 quid including VAT. DMS has a good reputation in this area, I know a fair number of porsche folk who swear by their upgrades to the 996TT.
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#46035 - 17/06/10 09:07 AM Re: Morgan EvaGT: discussing the CAR (not MMC) [Re: mr_tony]
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imho Max/S4 allready have (more than) enough power for their traction, mine drifts away pretty often now that I trust its behaviour at the limit smile


Edited by 1560 (17/06/10 09:08 AM)
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#46037 - 17/06/10 09:11 AM Re: Morgan EvaGT: discussing the CAR (not MMC) [Re: 1560]
mr_tony Offline
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Registered: 02/10/06
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Still - nice option for the 6 pot engine though!
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#46038 - 17/06/10 09:13 AM Re: Morgan EvaGT: discussing the CAR (not MMC) [Re: mr_tony]
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Originally Posted By: mr_tony
Still - nice option for the 6 pot engine though!

for sure, are you ordering????
I'm but my dealer is on holiday evil
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#46041 - 17/06/10 09:31 AM Re: Morgan EvaGT: discussing the CAR (not MMC) [Re: 1560]
mr_tony Offline
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Registered: 02/10/06
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Loc: London
There is supposed to be a link on the website to take a deposit on line. At least that's what the factory told me yesterday.

Still no sign of the link though..
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