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#464801 - 05/08/17 07:44 AM Protect That Sump
Peter J Offline
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I've had a couple of "close scrapes" and felt that fitting a Wolf Sump Protector would be good insurance.

When we got the car up on a lift it became clear just how much damage there was.

This photo shows the oil filter housing. I'm told that if the hex end is scraped off all the oil comes out.... So at the next service a new filter housing will be fitted!



From the front the damage was mostly superficial, but covered a wide area. The oil drain plug had lost about 2mm from one side. Again, a new one will be fitted at the next service.



Here is the guard, fitted (with a lot of help from Tom).



I don't really understand why MMC didn't fit a guard, there are unused attachment points in the front cross member and the chassis tub behind the engine.
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#464802 - 05/08/17 07:59 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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Roadsters have also suffered catastrophic sump damage and total oil loss.

We had a BHM sump guard fitted recently.

Cheers
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#464804 - 05/08/17 08:03 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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The Wolf sump guard covers the oil filter ?
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#464805 - 05/08/17 08:04 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: madmax]
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Originally Posted By madmax
The Wolf sump guard covers the oil filter ?


Correct, so the guard has to be removed for an oil change.
The single hole in the guard is where the filter is fitted: the end of the filter is flush with the outer face of the guard.

I understand that Woolf did this so that whilst the filter is protected the sump guard gives as much ground clearance as possible.
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#464806 - 05/08/17 08:11 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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Excellent , no worries we hope !
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#464819 - 05/08/17 09:28 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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'Made in Scotland frae girders'
Revolutions in Perth wouldn't let me take the S5 without a sump guard. Russell P describes it as a "Panzer" strength product. It's a larger area covered. It's not fitted to the engine and uses existing holes for placement. Engineered by a firm in Perth. I totally agree about there not being at the very least, a factory option, if existing holes can be used.
It takes your preoccupations away from ground clearance and onto the darn hood!

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#464823 - 05/08/17 09:37 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: mmalone]
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Originally Posted By mmalone
'Made in Scotland frae girders'
Revolutions in Perth wouldn't let me take the S5 without a sump guard. Russell P describes it as a "Panzer" strength product. It's a larger area covered. It's not fitted to the engine and uses existing holes for placement. Engineered by a firm in Perth. I totally agree about there not being at the very least, a factory option, if existing holes can be used.
It takes your preoccupations away from ground clearance and onto the darn hood!


Better a small water leak than a massive oil leak!
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#464835 - 05/08/17 11:11 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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The Wolf guard is a necessity in my view. My 8 feels lower than previous exotica that I've owned - and at a critical point too.
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#464857 - 05/08/17 12:58 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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Why not go one step further?

Instead of fit and hope it works - then just keep scraping stuff.

Mount it with sensors (switches would do) so that you get a lamp on the dash to warn you that you have hit something, it could work on a latched reset circuit so it stays on until you deliberately reset it after checking all is good underneath.
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#464861 - 05/08/17 01:11 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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I "grounded" my engine block while on holiday in Spain recently. I have a reduced height sump (Mulfab) so that was unscathed, but the bell housing took a bit of a whack.
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#464952 - 05/08/17 11:22 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: mmalone]
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Originally Posted By mmalone
'Made in Scotland frae girders'
Revolutions in Perth wouldn't let me take the S5 without a sump guard. Russell P describes it as a "Panzer" strength product. It's a larger area covered. It's not fitted to the engine and uses existing holes for placement. Engineered by a firm in Perth. I totally agree about there not being at the very least, a factory option, if existing holes can be used.
It takes your preoccupations away from ground clearance and onto the darn hood!


Post a picture as it sounds the business!!
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#465076 - 06/08/17 09:00 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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I hit a large stone about a month ago. 2002 Rover Plus8. Huge bang.
Thankfully a steel sump! Dent but no leaks. Phew!
The chassis crossmember has grounded a few times mainly speedbumps and lack of care from me.
4 years ago I grounded on an uneven surface and lost traction. The crossmember was on a rock. I had to get out and remove it. Luckily it was a loose one. No damage. It raised the rear wheels just enough to lose grip. The area it happened is now even worse but I don't go there any more. Near Arthur's Stone on Gower. Park elsewhere.
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#465078 - 06/08/17 09:14 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: mmalone]
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Originally Posted By mmalone
'Made in Scotland frae girders'
Revolutions in Perth wouldn't let me take the S5 without a sump guard. Russell P describes it as a "Panzer" strength product. It's a larger area covered. It's not fitted to the engine and uses existing holes for placement. Engineered by a firm in Perth. I totally agree about there not being at the very least, a factory option, if existing holes can be used.
It takes your preoccupations away from ground clearance and onto the darn hood!


This sounds like the one - I wonder do they make one for the V6's ?
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#465132 - 07/08/17 08:56 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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I was at Goodwood yesterday in the Morgan and directed into a field over an unseen 'step' from concrete to grass. Gave the sump an almighty clunk and had to reverse - could not pass the step. The sump guard has been bent at the front - but no other damage. Had I not had it, the sump tray would have been ripped off - no question.
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#465138 - 07/08/17 09:33 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Neilda]
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Originally Posted By Neilda
I was at Goodwood yesterday in the Morgan and directed into a field over an unseen 'step' from concrete to grass. Gave the sump an almighty clunk and had to reverse - could not pass the step. The sump guard has been bent at the front - but no other damage. Had I not had it, the sump tray would have been ripped off - no question.


Given the number of "low riding" cars likely to visit Goodwood the presence of such a potentially damaging obstacle should be drawn to the attention of the organisers...
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#465217 - 07/08/17 03:54 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Neilda]
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Originally Posted By Neilda
I was at Goodwood yesterday in the Morgan and directed into a field over an unseen 'step' from concrete to grass. Gave the sump an almighty clunk and had to reverse - could not pass the step. The sump guard has been bent at the front - but no other damage. Had I not had it, the sump tray would have been ripped off - no question.


Maybe if you're off-roading you'd do better to use your Range Rover.... innocent
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#500128 - 20/02/18 06:48 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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I was looking at the wolf performance sump.
Wow. Not cheap. 280 GBP + VAT + shipping + packing.
https://www.wolfperformance.co.uk/aero-sump.html
Is there any discount somewhere, by chance?
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#500130 - 20/02/18 06:54 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Ale_72]
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It's a lot cheaper than a replacement engine!
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#500168 - 20/02/18 08:41 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Hamwich]
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Originally Posted By Hamwich
It's a lot cheaper than a replacement engine!


+1!
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#500325 - 20/02/18 07:56 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Hamwich]
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Originally Posted By Hamwich
It's a lot cheaper than a replacement engine!


+1 also. I had a Wolf guard fitted last October. I'm very careful over speed bumps etc... but it's sods law that catches you out when you're least expecting it. We pay a lot of money for our beautiful cars....a sump guard is as good as insurance.
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#500332 - 20/02/18 08:11 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Hamwich]
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Originally Posted By Hamwich
It's a lot cheaper than a replacement engine!


+1
Some serious sump work been done in this part of the world...
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#551511 - 03/01/19 11:36 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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Today or tomorrow this should protect Violet in the future.

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#551516 - 03/01/19 11:56 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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Can you get it up on a ramp to do it?

Most definitely worth doing - the sump on these engines is so vulnerable. Great bit of kit.
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#551520 - 03/01/19 12:01 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Neilda]
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Originally Posted By Neilda
Can you get it up on a ramp to do it?

Lazy solution. My dealer will do it it together with the yearly service (bah... this year only 2.300 km done).
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#551555 - 03/01/19 05:10 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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I wonder if a sump guard attached to engine is a potential different problem waiting to happen? I went for mountings on the frame instead.
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#551557 - 03/01/19 05:16 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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For sure the frame mountings are safer, and if you succeed not to reduce too much the clearance keeping "strong" enough the sump (am I wrong or there were some pics somewhere?) in my opinion you went for the best solution.
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#551573 - 03/01/19 07:46 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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I thought the same thing Shooter. What model did you have fitted. Any protection is an improvement of course.
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#551589 - 03/01/19 09:16 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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I have read the various reports on here since the fitting of these sump guard's with much interest but haven't commented because a lot have had them fitted with their hard earned cash. However after fitting very many sump guards to escorts mini's imp's etc i have to say this is meerly a skid plate at best with a very suspect fitting attachement and as Shooter suggests could cause more problems than it tries to fix. A guard should always be fitted to the frame but another issue on the aero based cars you are also covering the only place underneath the car that gets any air so even more heat build up in the engine bay.This is just an observation we all have a choice.

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#551595 - 03/01/19 10:06 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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I think it's important to know what to expect.
In Italy and Switzerland we do not have those fancy/horrible speed bumps you have in UK, so the risk is anyhow lower.
I mounted it mainly because of the center lower dual-leaf driveway gate locking system that already twice obliged me to change the sump since it has the same height of the sump oil drain plug.
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#551604 - 03/01/19 10:43 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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Talking to the Wolf man at Blenhiem, a Plus 4 owner came up asking if they made one for his car.

He had just returned from the Dordogne saying his Morgan had become stranded on a huge traffic hump.
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#551605 - 03/01/19 10:56 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Clipper]
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Originally Posted By Clipper
Talking to the Wolf man at Blenhiem, a Plus 4 owner came up asking if they made one for his car.

He had just returned from the Dordogne saying his Morgan had become stranded on a huge traffic hump.



Like this one I purchased from Cain


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#551612 - 04/01/19 12:01 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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I have this one on the S5

http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/518381/New_sump_guard#Post518381

Because I have all round adjustable suspension and adjusted ride height it does sit LOW!!! I have got used to the sound of scrapes!

It does allow a gap between the sump plug and the guard as well.
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#551614 - 04/01/19 01:11 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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He does sit low, luckily we were following him on lovely smooth French roads where even a trad is like a flying carpet.
Not so a week or two later when I pulled over to check our bags north of Bristol and grounded on a rock - felt like the hardest impact I have had in a car and the noise! At least on a yacht when you do a bit of unplanned Hydrographic work it is relatively quiet.
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#551616 - 04/01/19 07:02 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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On 4 cyl. Trads, it’s just the crossmember which contacts first, still a horrible feeling when it happens but not a disaster. If nothing else, the guard Craig has should at least change the noise to a soft rub.

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#551655 - 04/01/19 11:06 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Ale_72]
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Originally Posted By Ale_72
I think it's important to know what to expect.
In Italy and Switzerland we do not have those fancy/horrible speed bumps you have in UK, so the risk is anyhow lower.
I mounted it mainly because of the center lower dual-leaf driveway gate locking system that already twice obliged me to change the sump since it has the same height of the sump oil drain plug.


Ouch! I had gates with a central stop plate - I had it lowered so that low cars wouldn't hit it.

The sump protector is a great bit of kit. But it is a rubbing plate rather than some bullet proof thing. If you are going over uneven ground, with high spots, and assuming you're travelling slowly, the plate will tell you that you've grounded the car - without ruining the engine. You either back off, or you proceed slowly. That's its purpose.

I would say, conservatively, that it has saved my engine a dozen times from oil loss through rubbing the sump plug on uneven ground. It has saved it even more times as it touches pretty much every speed bump.

I don't need a frame mounted device as I am not rallying off-road at high speed. This is for 'normal' use. smile
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#551658 - 04/01/19 11:12 AM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Neilda]
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Originally Posted By Neilda
Ouch! I had gates with a central stop plate - I had it lowered so that low cars wouldn't hit it.

I have that in the condo where I often leave the car and I do not have any possibility of having that changed/lowered.
Both of the time I ruined my sump I heard a very slight "Zingggggg" noise and vibration of 0.5 sec. No major fault, but enough to touch the drain plug, twist it a little bit and have a very minor leak (let's say a 20cm wide oil leak on the floor in one/two weeks) but with the follow consequences:
- 8 liters of oil
- New oil sump
- Lot of bad words

I hope that with the protector the noise (if I forget to pass on the side) will be maybe stronger but no damage will happen.
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#551669 - 04/01/19 12:22 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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Just to clarify, i think the skid plate on the trad is a good mod but if everybody seems to be hitting their sumps on the Aero based cars this plate is now sitting a lot lower. You catch that sump in a corner where the bracket attaches you could do some serious damage to the block. Neilda if you are now touching and scraping as much as you say pressure will be extended on those mounts that screw into the sump and over time will fracture. I don't think Bmw would be too happy either. As mentioned previously this is
just an observation my car's must be the exception to the rule no sump grinding at 60k miles,.. the exhaust yes.


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#551692 - 04/01/19 01:40 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: aerotaff]
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Originally Posted By aerotaff
this plate is now sitting a lot lower

In reality is not that much lower.
Look at the drain plug height here



Other pics here:
https://www.wolfperformance.co.uk/aero-sump.html
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#551707 - 04/01/19 02:47 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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The good thing about Talk Morgan Ale is we can agree to disagree, enjoy your new sump plate. Just been for a quick spin bloody cold in West Wales.

Em

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#551708 - 04/01/19 02:50 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: aerotaff]
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Originally Posted By aerotaff
enjoy your new sump plate.

I'd love to but in the last two years it was depressive. Just picked up the car from the yearly service.
Km done in 2017: 3.600 frown
Km done in 2018: 2.400 ooo
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#551719 - 04/01/19 04:00 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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It's clearly time to park the cockster sorry i mean't Boxter up for a bit and enjoy your Mog. Ha.


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#551720 - 04/01/19 04:02 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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Violet is always my first choice. The poorsche is taken when I am lazy, in a hurry, and I want to be sure that the car will not try to kill me laugh2
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#551729 - 04/01/19 04:24 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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As a generous type of guy I will put some miles on the Aero for you and return it to you in spring !!!
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#551767 - 04/01/19 08:05 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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#551768 - 04/01/19 08:05 PM Re: Protect That Sump [Re: Peter J]
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Looks like I should lock the car laugh
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