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#466279 - 11/08/17 10:28 PM Care Needed
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Registered: 24/09/14
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Guys

While at a respected Morgan dealer today I was looking at a car that had just come in , and the crew had really long faces.

A car, which purported to be mint, certainly looked the part. The paintwork was unmarked a fairly fresh, the dash board was an MK special, the engine bay was clean, and everything seemed to be neat and tidy.

However when opening the doors , the hinges really sagged, and closer inspection revealed that it was not just the hinges , but the woodwork of the door pillars. The wheel arches had signs of rot at the junction of the vertical and horizontal faces. That good looking paint job had been applied over a lot of filler, rather than new wings, and the wings themselves were incorrectly attached to body. Thankfully the chassis appeared OK.

The owner had obviously spent a not inconsiderable amount of money on the car, but whoever did the job had failed to tackle the basics first. A good wooden frame is so important in a Morgan rebuild/restoration.

I think the lesson is make use of more experienced TMers when buying a car. Looks can be very deceiving, especially on trad Morgans, and it without some sage advice it would be easy to get taken in by a good looking car that appears brilliant, but hides a nestful of vipers.

Most reputable Morgan dealers wouldn't sell a car in this condition to unsuspecting buyers, but the private market does contain pitfalls for the unwary.
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#466289 - 12/08/17 06:10 AM Re: Care Needed [Re: MOG 615]
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Whilst at the Haynes breakfast meeting on Sunday i had a good look around a MGV8 (chrome bumper version) which was for sale at £18000. It looked fantastic from a few paces but on closer inspection it revealed a good paint job hiding many areas of rust. Some poor unsuspecting individual is likely to be taken in by it and pay well over the odds for it.
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#466295 - 12/08/17 07:10 AM Re: Care Needed [Re: MOG 615]
Hamwich Offline

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Sage advice Andy. If I'd known then what I know about Morgans I would have been a great deal more circumspect when it came to buying mine. But then it was all I could afford at the time, and it had the advantage of being pretty cheap for a Morgan.

It would be awful to splash out serious money on something only to find out it was a pig in lipstick.
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#466296 - 12/08/17 07:14 AM Re: Care Needed [Re: MOG 615]
Peter J Offline
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Those in selling used cars are no different from those in the horse market. Cevat Emptor is the first and most important rule.

That said, we have spent more money on duff horses than duff cars and of course used horses don't come with a guarantee.... at least used cars from a reputable dealer do.

Classic car from a private sale? If you are not an expert, take a very knowledgeable person with you!!
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#466322 - 12/08/17 09:26 AM Re: Care Needed [Re: MOG 615]
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Out of intetest what age was the car, was it pre 1986 therefore an untreated frame?

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#466467 - 12/08/17 09:21 PM Re: Care Needed [Re: MOG 615]
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It was an overseas registration so I could not decipher the age , but the engine was a Fords 1600 crossflow so that would put it in the late 60s or 70s. Definitely pre-cuprinol treatment.
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#466468 - 12/08/17 09:32 PM Re: Care Needed [Re: MOG 615]
Hamwich Offline

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Even a cuprinol-dipped ash frame isn't going to be rot proof for ever.
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#466475 - 12/08/17 10:38 PM Re: Care Needed [Re: deano]
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Originally Posted By deano
Whilst at the Haynes breakfast meeting on Sunday i had a good look around a MGV8 (chrome bumper version) which was for sale at £18000. It looked fantastic from a few paces but on closer inspection it revealed a good paint job hiding many areas of rust. Some poor unsuspecting individual is likely to be taken in by it and pay well over the odds for it.


MG V8'S were ropey in the mid eighties. I looked at about a dozen before I bought one and even then I knew that it would need sills before long.
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#466478 - 12/08/17 10:53 PM Re: Care Needed [Re: MOG 615]
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I just hope whoever bought this car has some kind of redress on the seller, it's sounds a nightmare and I feel sorry for him.

If you don't have the confidence or knowledge I would always advise anybody new to Morgan's to hire a "Morgan Knowledge" for half a day, it can prove to be cheap for the unwary !
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#466510 - 13/08/17 08:43 AM Re: Care Needed [Re: Hamwich]
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Originally Posted By Hamwich
It would be awful to splash out serious money on something only to find out it was a pig in lipstick.

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