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#476781 - 12/10/17 02:47 PM Re: Classic and Sports Car Morgan Feature [Re: DaveW]
NeilL Offline

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Registered: 16/10/12
Posts: 5868
Loc: Warks
Originally Posted By DaveW
'My Publisher' insisted on production data for the Trads.
MMC don't have it in an easily recoverable format. You would have to trawl through the build books.
It could be done but it would take a big investment of time.

Anything on the Internet is a guess, and so journalists are in trouble.

I've made an attempt at trad numbers but with a caveat-fest and lots of rounding and assumptions. That's as good as it can be without hours of research at the factory.



I think thats reasonable.

"It is estimated that...."

"MMC estimate that over..."

etc!!
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#476783 - 12/10/17 02:50 PM Re: Classic and Sports Car Morgan Feature [Re: DaveW]
+8Rich Offline

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Originally Posted By DaveW
'My Publisher' insisted on production data for the Trads.
MMC don't have it in an easily recoverable format. You would have to trawl through the build books.
It could be done but it would take a big investment of time.

Anything on the Internet is a guess, and so journalists are in trouble.

I've made an attempt at trad numbers but with a caveat-fest and lots of rounding and assumptions. That's as good as it can be without hours of research at the factory.



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#476810 - 12/10/17 04:59 PM Re: Classic and Sports Car Morgan Feature [Re: Peter J]
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It's a little sad when MMC have a post holder with the title of "Archivist", though..
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#476822 - 12/10/17 06:44 PM Re: Classic and Sports Car Morgan Feature [Re: Peter J]
DaveW Offline
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I don't think its ever been a priority. But for somebody like me (OCD) it would be unthinkable not to keep detailed production records.

It would be possible to create an electronic record from the build books, but what a task. There's no way that the factory could afford to do that, but a team of volunteers could eat into the job......................

But it would take weeks of effort.
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#476830 - 12/10/17 07:18 PM Re: Classic and Sports Car Morgan Feature [Re: DaveW]
Peter J Offline
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Originally Posted By DaveW
I don't think its ever been a priority. But for somebody like me (OCD) it would be unthinkable not to keep detailed production records.

It would be possible to create an electronic record from the build books, but what a task. There's no way that the factory could afford to do that, but a team of volunteers could eat into the job......................

But it would take weeks of effort.


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#476831 - 12/10/17 07:30 PM Re: Classic and Sports Car Morgan Feature [Re: NeilL]
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Originally Posted By NeilL


Easy ..write under a nom de plume!

ie ..Ian Morgan!!


NOOOO!!!!

Then they will think its me!

Anyway, I thought the AeroMax numbers were 107 including the prototypes and the replacements for those written off etc.

The real Ian Morgan :-)
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#476832 - 12/10/17 07:37 PM Re: Classic and Sports Car Morgan Feature [Re: Peter J]
DaveW Offline
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Well I could do it, as reconstructing records from chaos has always been part of my job. The problem is, assuming permission was granted for such an endeavour, how many build book summaries could be posted onto a spreadsheet in an hour?
You would need essentially the build certificate details.
Chassis number
Body number
Build number
Model
Paint colour
Interior colour
Hood spec
Wheels
Other extras........................
Date of start and finish of build

One every ten minutes would be six an hour, so fifty on one long day. Assuming 800 cars a year, 16 days of graft for one years production. But towards the end you get the gaps, and they take much longer to resolve.

So ten years of production would be at least 160 working days, at five days a week, meaning 32 weeks. Realistically, ten years production could take a full year.

Think of the accommodation and subsistence costs......................

The best moment to create a production record is when the cars are signed off.................................
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#476837 - 12/10/17 07:52 PM Re: Classic and Sports Car Morgan Feature [Re: Peter J]
Alistair Offline
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Registered: 18/03/09
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I see this as a place where the Club could add a lot of value through spare time among the members ? I do think that the equity of collating the history of the cars becomes great material for the marketing team to use into the future.

XX% of the cars made still on the road
ratios of trads to 3w to aeros

It does show how sticky these things become in our lives and so help someone new realise that it is more than just a pretty thing.
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#476841 - 12/10/17 07:56 PM Re: Classic and Sports Car Morgan Feature [Re: Peter J]
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Loc: Malvern UK
I remain confused, now we have another figure (107) for the number of Aeromaxs built.

If a magazine that seeks to be authoritative chooses to include production numbers in a feature article in order to give it extra gravitas then surely it has a responsibility to make sure that the figures it quotes have been gleaned from a reputable source that it identifies. If the magazine chooses not to do this then maybe a letter of complaint to the editor would be a good thing.

I must immediately add, I am not the right person to write it.

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#476843 - 12/10/17 08:14 PM Re: Classic and Sports Car Morgan Feature [Re: Aeromax51]
Stringers Best Mate Offline

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Originally Posted By Aeromax51
I remain confused, now we have another figure (107) for the number of Aeromaxs built.

If a magazine that seeks to be authoritative chooses to include production numbers in a feature article in order to give it extra gravitas then surely it has a responsibility to make sure that the figures it quotes have been gleaned from a reputable source that it identifies. If the magazine chooses not to do this then maybe a letter of complaint to the editor would be a good thing.

I must immediately add, I am not the right person to write it.

smile smile


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