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#476915 - 13/10/17 01:58 PM Where's the pecking order gone
Alistair Offline
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Registered: 18/03/09
Posts: 5147
Loc: Hampshire
The regular car (SUV thingy) comes up with a dashboard warning "check brake wear" which can be translated to "spend money". Normally I would use a franchised dealer however I figure I would look at an independant as there are a few well rated MB ones around me.

I got the MB dealer to give me a quote for front pads fitted. £420 with new MB OEM pads. Hourly rate was £130+VAT

The local MB Independant came in at £340 using MB pads or £20 less with Ferodo or Mintex which I rate as better pads. The MB pads were £240 of it? Hourly rate was £110+VAT

Given the weight and performance of the car I read up and found that the EBC Yellow Stuff came highly recommended. £178 inc VAT with replacement wear sensors. My local MOT/Garage fitted them for £60 in 40 minutes.

MB OEM pads - £240+V where they supply them. (£100 on eBay)

Ferodo £60 inc VAT (not knock offs from eBay.

EBC Yellow Pads £189inc VAT but these are a step up on the performance layer.

So I ended up buying the best pads and getting them fitted down in the town at our local place. So annoying how even the specialists are trying to take the piss these days.

Caveat emptor.
Is it true ? I just have to pop out to the garage and check again, see you in an hour (or three)

#476930 - 13/10/17 03:47 PM Re: Where's the pecking order gone [Re: Alistair]
meabh Offline

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Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 1804
Loc: southwest France
I used to use ECB on my Plus Four with High Spec brakes but at MOT time (CT here) they never showed much stopping force although they served me well. A well known Morgan racer told me that they never get hot enough in normal road use - and that looking at how long the pads lasted I clearly didn't use them much.
They did produced very little brake dust though.

#476945 - 13/10/17 05:41 PM Re: Where's the pecking order gone [Re: Alistair]
PaulJ Offline

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Registered: 16/10/11
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Loc: Somerset, UK
Interesting. when I used to do track days in a fairly powerful Caterham Seven, I tried EBC red stuff pads on the front, and to be honest, I found them to be absolute rubbish, not only did they throw out stacks of dust, but more importantly, they faded after a very few laps, and I am not a particularly heavy braker on track days, the result is I would never use EBC pads again for road or track, but if you find they work, that is what matters.

However, more importantly, none of us likes to bet ripped off and changing pads is generally a very simple and quick job, but if there are people who will pay, and there are, main dealers and others will continue to charge.
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#476953 - 13/10/17 06:35 PM Re: Where's the pecking order gone [Re: Alistair]
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Registered: 15/07/11
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Loc: Kent & Dorset, UK
Alistair - are the discs drilled/grooved on your AMG monster? If they are, you should find that the EBC pads work well because the pad surface is conditioned by the rotor surface. That has been my experience with Green Stuff pads - whereas they were quite poor with standard smooth rotors because they tended to glaze easily and performance dropped off. When they work well, the cold performance is at least as good as OEM and as you get a bit of heat in them you can actually feel at the pedal the increased bite. I never found them to be that clean however, but black wheels do hide brake dust well!
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#476963 - 13/10/17 07:56 PM Re: Where's the pecking order gone [Re: Alistair]
Alistair Offline
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Registered: 18/03/09
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Aftermarket pads seem to bring a wider variety of feedback than many parts it would seem. On the Audi and MB forums people were all over the place on EBC and others. I have never been able to pin it down.

I have used Mintex, Pagid, Tarox and EBC Green on several other cars over the years and generally found them an improvement over OEM in most cases. Squeal always seemed to be the most annoying issue.

Thanks Stuart. It is the standard AMG/Brembo installation so cross drilled and centrally vented. They are not grooved. I got the local garage to fit some serious anti-squeal gunge as I did expect a bit of this. I do have the black painted spokes but suspect I will be cleaning a bit more. Interestingly the depth of the EBC pad was about 9-10mm whereas the OEM are about 15mm.

I do agree that semi-race pads on a road car do have a whiff of go-faster but I have yet to adapt my driving style to 2.25 tonnes of jacked up 560bhp brick and so am even more heavy on the brakes. It does go when you poke it hence the usual concerns of glazing were reduced. This is a bit of an experiment so it may yet go a bit wrong.

I was more surprised by the different approaches. I expected an independent MB specialist to be more sensible and offer aftermarket pads like Ferodo but they were not interested. I
Is it true ? I just have to pop out to the garage and check again, see you in an hour (or three)

#476978 - 13/10/17 09:05 PM Re: Where's the pecking order gone [Re: Alistair]
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Registered: 02/01/12
Posts: 3411
Loc: UK (up north)
Mintex were the boys in my day, a quality brake
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#477037 - 14/10/17 01:17 PM Re: Where's the pecking order gone [Re: Alistair]
Happy Birthday sospan Offline
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Registered: 31/05/10
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Loc: Llanelli
I have EBC Greenstuff pads on my trad Plus8.
I find them good. I prefer the feel over the ones originally on the car. With the servo assistance locking the front wheels is possible so plenty of stopping power after learning the feel. I would like ABS but not a necessity. I have a replacement set ready for the next change....likely next spring based on remaining pad thickness.
As an aside re franchised dealers.... swmbo has a Kia Sportage. Last January at dealer service they advised pad change due to wear.£103 so not exorbitant.i declined and have checked the pads regularly since...still about 5mm left after about 8k miles more!
I will change them in January before service.
Red Plus8


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