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Re: Interesting item about exhaust gases [Re: Hamwich] #477665
18/10/17 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted By Hamwich
Originally Posted By howard
not the car makers. The latter only operate within the rules they are given.



rofl


Wolfsburg ring any bells howard ?


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Re: Interesting item about exhaust gases [Re: nick w] #477697
18/10/17 09:40 PM
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Good article - amazing that it has taken this long for someone to actually publish it when you think about it. Sad that the old school glossies like Car did not cover it in as factual manner as this. When did the facts become such a parting shot for the press ?

We do need some standards, you cannot change them every year for an industry that builds on this scale.

The idea of an electric trad or aero baffles me. If something is not a NEED then I expect I am going to have to pay for a privilege one way or another. If I am going to pay for this then I want it to tickle my happy bone fully.

I look at the Aero and want to hear a decent V8 or other meaty engine. I look at a trad and want to hear a peppy sounding petrol 4-pot. It completes the experience, all senses fed etc. It would be wrong if on starting I heard either the dull throb of a little 3-4 cyl diesel or a washing machine whine. On a modern appliance type car then yes it is something that gels. For a Trad ihe sound would not gel and I think that is a bigger issue for me. Also for other people seeing it. Imagine a non-owner seeing a +4 driving through town in summer and hearing a milk-float whine. It would be a little bit BBC retro-futurist wrong.


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Re: Interesting item about exhaust gases [Re: Alistair] #477745
19/10/17 10:13 AM
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When i read the words issued by "Government" of all types I'm increasingly reminded of Orwell's book, 1984.

Actually US society today seems to resemble the mutant child of both 1984 and Animal Fram.

It is very hard to know what is believable, and what is not.


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Re: Interesting item about exhaust gases [Re: Alistair] #477749
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Originally Posted By Alistair
Good article - amazing that it has taken this long for someone to actually publish it when you think about it. Sad that the old school glossies like Car did not cover it in as factual manner as this. When did the facts become such a parting shot for the press ?

We do need some standards, you cannot change them every year for an industry that builds on this scale.

The idea of an electric trad or aero baffles me. If something is not a NEED then I expect I am going to have to pay for a privilege one way or another. If I am going to pay for this then I want it to tickle my happy bone fully.

I look at the Aero and want to hear a decent V8 or other meaty engine. I look at a trad and want to hear a peppy sounding petrol 4-pot. It completes the experience, all senses fed etc. It would be wrong if on starting I heard either the dull throb of a little 3-4 cyl diesel or a washing machine whine. On a modern appliance type car then yes it is something that gels. For a Trad ihe sound would not gel and I think that is a bigger issue for me. Also for other people seeing it. Imagine a non-owner seeing a +4 driving through town in summer and hearing a milk-float whine. It would be a little bit BBC retro-futurist wrong.


Spot on the money there it's a lot about expectation.


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Re: Interesting item about exhaust gases [Re: nick w] #477752
19/10/17 11:18 AM
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We don't know many new car buyers. But as far as I can see it's more about finance and servicing deals than emissions.

I suppose when money is no longer such a priority, emissions might come into play but it's naive to believe manufacturer stats.

I'm not really that tempted by electric because most of our motoring is "pleasure"........


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Re: Interesting item about exhaust gases [Re: nick w] #478135
22/10/17 08:29 AM
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I read the article whilst waiting for my fish and chips to be cooked at Mrs T’s on Blackshore in Southwold the other day - so plenty of time!

Interesting that, on the one hand car manufacturers claim to somehow care for the environment (just look at their advertising) and then on the other hand suggest that sticking to what is legally required is all they can do. I’m really unconvinced that they cannot legally publish anything they like data-wise - that claim makes no sense to me. Happy to be proved wrong though if anyone can provide a link to the legislation involved.

This is a wake-up call. Cynics will be cynical from a self-interest viewpoint but the evidence clearly shows the damage being done to the health of this generation and the development and health of young people today.


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Re: Interesting item about exhaust gases [Re: nick w] #478139
22/10/17 08:37 AM
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I think the issue from a motorists point of view is one of fairness, though. We'll make the right decisions providing we have the facts, but those facts must be accurate and that's why the motor manufacturers attitudes must change.

The motorist is always pilloried in the press reports as being the enemy, with the same cliche ridden images of cold exhausts emitting 'smoke' on frosty mornings. No-one mentions all the other forms of transport, or even other countries that contribute to global warming.

I think there is more damage done to the health of young people through alcohol and smoking than simply car exhausts..


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Re: Interesting item about exhaust gases [Re: nick w] #478228
22/10/17 04:48 PM
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The answer is obviously an E Morgan with:



SoundRacer EVS Electric Vehicle Sound technology


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Re: Interesting item about exhaust gases [Re: Gambalunga] #478297
23/10/17 06:29 AM
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That should keep the pedestrians happy Peter!


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