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#483742 - 18/11/17 07:37 PM Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers
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Has anybody replaced their rear dampers themselves, I have my car all apart and cannot figure out how to get the bottom securing bolts out of the rear dampers! You would think you would just let the swing arm hang down and they would slide out once you are blow the tank enough, but the drive belt binds up and the swingarm will not swing down that far then I tried putting a ramp under the rear tire to try to swing the swing arm enough to clear the tanks and I don't think that is going to work either. Somebody else has to have done this and there has to be something simple that I am missing?
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#483747 - 18/11/17 07:43 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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I think this might be an issue with the cars that have the rubber mounted bevel box so haven't had the problem myself but would suggest loosening the wheel spindle and backing the belt tension adjusters off a couple of turns (or more) on each side.
Good luck!
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#483749 - 18/11/17 07:47 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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Yes it is definitely the belt hanging up on the nvh crossbar that is stopping it dropping. That is a good idea slacking the belt might give me enough of a drop in order to get this out I guess I just have to make the decision do I want to get that much more involved in what was supposed to be a quick swap out!


Edited by Draggin (18/11/17 07:48 PM)
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#483757 - 18/11/17 08:13 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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Hi Draggin, I just remove the top mounting bolts and then the swing arm drops far enough to remove the bottom bolts.

If your drive belt is fouling on the NVH bracket then perhaps you will have to slacken the belt tension and slip it off the pulley.

What a faff.

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#483766 - 18/11/17 08:33 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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the swing arm itself hits on the NVH cross bar!! had to remove all together to let swing arm low enough to clear bottom shock mounts! two big bolts into BB and 16mm nut and bolts each end of the NVH bar .straight forward but more time needed over non NVH car.... flag ps you may find the cross member rusty!! made of chrome steel. wire brushed and painted chassis black. flag

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#483767 - 18/11/17 08:37 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
Draggin Offline

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Slacking the belt which was a major pain in the ass has accomplished nothing what is happening is the swingarm bottoms out on that back bracket that holds the bevel box. Meaning there is no way to get this thing out without undoing all of the rear bevel box mountains and taking that crossbar out I guess now I have to decide that now that I'm this far into it do I keep on going or do I go back to trying to recreate my belt tension and move on
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#483773 - 18/11/17 08:45 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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we just crossed . just the two big bolts don't strip out interior, can get from under the car. mine been in and out 3 times when messing with the ohlin's.... think they 17 or 19 mm heads on BB 16mm each end of bar watch out where the washer comes from at the bar ends keeps the bar centred!!!


Edited by skullmog (18/11/17 08:50 PM)

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#483837 - 19/11/17 01:55 AM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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Well a simple 9 hours later and I am all done I cleaned everything up I rewired my reversing lamps so they go on when I put the transmission into reverse, put the new dampers on which only can happen if you both slacken the drive belt and unbolt the NVH bracket in the back. The thing that took me the most time was the nut sert that is in the rear aluminum panel at the very back of the plastic tray in the boot area was stripped out so I had to replace it. Oh and I replaced the bevel box oil as long as i had a nice free shot at it.


Edited by Draggin (19/11/17 02:08 AM)
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#483938 - 19/11/17 04:06 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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That NVH bracket is worse than a boat anchor, at least an anchor has some use.

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#483945 - 19/11/17 04:34 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Dab of oppo]
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Originally Posted By Dab of oppo
That NVH bracket is worse than a boat anchor, at least an anchor has some use.

I think that might be very true indeed!
The comment about spinning threaded inserts sounds very familiar too; I've replaced or tightened most of them on my car, generally seems to be one or two each time I need to get into "somewhere else" so even small jobs seem to grow into multi-hour epics. I find that a decent selection of malt whisky helps soften the blow after each session in the garage.
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#483968 - 19/11/17 05:40 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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+1 Calum

Highland Park or Jura for me.

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#483986 - 19/11/17 06:37 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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I'm only a few miles away from the Higland Park distillery right now, working at the Flotta Oil Terminal. NOt going to get the chance to sample anything this trip unfortunately.
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#483987 - 19/11/17 06:40 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: RedThree]
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It's a good visit the Highland Park one.

An old colleague of mine lived in Kirkwall and one of his daughters use to run the visitor centre, we visited many times.
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#483998 - 19/11/17 07:24 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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Can the NVH bar be removed and not used? Will be getting a new chassis for my 2012. I guess what I'm asking is the NVH now an integral part of the new chassis. I've never had any complaints about BB noise and don' need the extra weight of the NVH

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#484002 - 19/11/17 08:13 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: hbatts]
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Originally Posted By hbatts
Can the NVH bar be removed and not used? Will be getting a new chassis for my 2012. I guess what I'm asking is the NVH now an integral part of the new chassis. I've never had any complaints about BB noise and don' need the extra weight of the NVH
They would have to weld on the old style mounts on new chassis! possible !but bet they make it to latest spec !!!!

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#484014 - 19/11/17 10:11 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
Draggin Offline

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Yes the bar, which is so heavy I think it must be made out of depleated uranium or something supports the back of the bevel box in fact the bevel box clunks right down onto the frame when you remove the bar. Its a buggger to get back in!
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#484024 - 19/11/17 10:42 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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And thanks for mentioning it I did give it a coat of paint before I put it back in place
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#484072 - 20/11/17 10:50 AM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: hbatts]
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Originally Posted By hbatts
Can the NVH bar be removed and not used? Will be getting a new chassis for my 2012. I guess what I'm asking is the NVH now an integral part of the new chassis. I've never had any complaints about BB noise and don' need the extra weight of the NVH


Not sure how the NVH bar could be integrated into chassis as by its very nature it has to be isolated from chassis.
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#484096 - 20/11/17 02:13 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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You would have to have the old style lugs welded to the frame for the rear bevel box mounts.
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#484097 - 20/11/17 02:14 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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also the metal inserts that are on the bushings on the adjustable dampers are wider than the mounting points on the frame. FYI
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#484106 - 20/11/17 03:20 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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Originally Posted By Draggin
You would have to have the old style lugs welded to the frame for the rear bevel box mounts.

Something like this maybe innocent



No NVH bar to remove, but then no NVH.
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#484111 - 20/11/17 03:34 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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Yes that would work.
Boys I am so sore today I can barely move. what a workout that was, 10x more involved than I bargained for! But I do know my car a lot better!
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#510230 - 25/04/18 12:54 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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What drive belt tension are you running? Either in degrees of "twist" or in MM of deflection?
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#510232 - 25/04/18 01:30 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: hbatts]
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Originally Posted By hbatts
Can the NVH bar be removed and not used? Will be getting a new chassis for my 2012. I guess what I'm asking is the NVH now an integral part of the new chassis. I've never had any complaints about BB noise and don' need the extra weight of the NVH
Speak to Phil Bleazey. He can supply a kit that does away with the NVH hardware and replaces it with a couple of neat brackets that mount the BB direct to the chassis. It's the 'Stage 1' kit at this link.
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#510233 - 25/04/18 01:32 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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It needs to be tighter than you may think - about 45 degrees twist on the lower part of the belt works for me.

Don't forget to check it clears the tyre (tire) as there's only a few mm of clearance.
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#510298 - 25/04/18 07:42 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Bunny]
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Originally Posted By Bunny
Originally Posted By hbatts
Can the NVH bar be removed and not used? Will be getting a new chassis for my 2012. I guess what I'm asking is the NVH now an integral part of the new chassis. I've never had any complaints about BB noise and don' need the extra weight of the NVH
Speak to Phil Bleazey. He can supply a kit that does away with the NVH hardware and replaces it with a couple of neat brackets that mount the BB direct to the chassis. It's the 'Stage 1' kit at this link.


I am only a few hundred miles into running with Phils stage one kit - ditched the NVH in favour of his solid Bevel Box mounts - and its working really well, no roughness or banging. Highly reccomended for the poor souls with the NVH fitted.


Edited by nippymog (25/04/18 07:42 PM)
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#557768 - 03/02/19 11:54 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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Originally Posted By Draggin
also the metal inserts that are on the bushings on the adjustable dampers are wider than the mounting points on the frame. FYI


Kirk, I have the same problem. Did you grind the bushing down? Both sides?
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#557966 - 04/02/19 08:58 PM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: Draggin]
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Is Phil’s kit designed to improve all Morgan 3 wheelers?

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#558041 - 05/02/19 11:20 AM Re: Help immediate assistance needed rear dampers [Re: 2Sharp]
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Originally Posted By 2Sharp
Is Phil’s kit designed to improve all Morgan 3 wheelers?


Phils Bevels box mounting kit is applicable to all three wheelers that have the NVH kit fitted ( now fitted as standard by the factory since 2014 I believe ). I suggest you contact him to get confirmation :
bleazey@woodenflutes.co.uk

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