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#517206 - 11/06/18 11:06 PM Yet more Daimler recalls..
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44444361

The semantics in this from the manufacturers are laughable - it seems the German manufacturers are all cheats to a greater or lesser degree.

Not impressed nono..
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#517224 - 12/06/18 07:57 AM Re: Yet more Daimler recalls.. [Re: +8Rich]
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Originally Posted By +8Rich

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44444361

The semantics in this from the manufacturers are laughable - it seems the German manufacturers are all cheats to a greater or lesser degree.

Not impressed nono..

You will find every VM, has some kind of "cheat device"......in their eyes it is not cheating...it is obtaining better figures!!
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#517225 - 12/06/18 08:13 AM Re: Yet more Daimler recalls.. [Re: +8Rich]
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Talk to your MOT man. Lots of cars now won't rev for the emissions test.
If I floor the throttle in my Golf in neutral it hits a wall just below 2500rpm and wont go beyond.
Even after "the fix".
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#517230 - 12/06/18 09:05 AM Re: Yet more Daimler recalls.. [Re: +8Rich]
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Tried to dry the brakes on my wife's TT after a wash. You can not apply brake pressure & throttle at the same time. "Computer say No"
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#517232 - 12/06/18 09:10 AM Re: Yet more Daimler recalls.. [Re: +8Rich]
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In the grand scheme of things does it really matter ? The "cheats" probably give a few fractions here and there.

Independent tests have shown that the official tests are so massively flawed as to be virtually useless. We're taking errors of several hundred percent on some emissions, with the supposedly cleanest cars often being the dirtiest.

Perhaps the idiots who produced these tests, and the politicians that endorsed them, should be in the dock. They're responsible for mis-informing and mis-directing the consumer in the purchase of tens of millions of new cars.

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#517237 - 12/06/18 09:26 AM Re: Yet more Daimler recalls.. [Re: +8Rich]
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I often wonder at how policies/regulations end up the way they are. In the UK there is a big lobbying “industry” where organisations try to get input into politics. There are enough corruption examples to show this.
Yes, experts are often brought in at various stages but in the end the decisions made are usually compromises (or worse).
The justifications for decisions are often accompanied by over optimistic claims and dubious statistics.
HS2 comes to mind as one.
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#517246 - 12/06/18 10:43 AM Re: Yet more Daimler recalls.. [Re: mph]
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Originally Posted By mph
In the grand scheme of things does it really matter ? The "cheats" probably give a few fractions here and there.

Independent tests have shown that the official tests are so massively flawed as to be virtually useless. We're taking errors of several hundred percent on some emissions, with the supposedly cleanest cars often being the dirtiest.

Perhaps the idiots who produced these tests, and the politicians that endorsed them, should be in the dock. They're responsible for mis-informing and mis-directing the consumer in the purchase of tens of millions of new cars.


Completely agree !!
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#517268 - 12/06/18 12:35 PM Re: Yet more Daimler recalls.. [Re: +8Rich]
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I can't see how lobbying can be acceptable in a democracy?

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#517284 - 12/06/18 03:26 PM Re: Yet more Daimler recalls.. [Re: +8Rich]
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It's the point at which lobbying becomes payment/benefit related where things go pear shaped.

I have said before that anything that legally and fairly reduces my tax offset is to be considered. Thats what the defeat toys do, let me pay less tax. Looking at the current emissions farce I don't really blame the makers as much as seems common.
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#517318 - 12/06/18 06:27 PM Re: Yet more Daimler recalls.. [Re: Lord Sward]
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Originally Posted By Lord Sward
I can't see how lobbying can be acceptable in a democracy?


Someone once said that politics is show business for ugly people and public affairs (lobbying) is PR for grown ups. smile

The forums of ancient Rome were full of lobbyists seeking to influence senators and plebs. It's arguable that lobbying has always been part of democracies - but it certainly needs to be controlled.
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