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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: +8Rich] #531147
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In addition to the visual pollution of these ugly ships coming to Venice, think about what happens when they all get off for a walk about.

The only time the Memsahib and I have been "cruising" is on commercial ships which only have half a dozen paying passengers. We have done a complete circumnavigation on a container ship with only two other like minded people. It was totally brilliant, leave England in the winter, return in the spring. It's the only way to fly !!

For a really fun trip, try the Banana boat to Columbia, now that is different.

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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: +8Rich] #531157
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One good plus for cruising is that you canchoose a cruise that avoids the main hotspots and visit places you would not normally consider. As for going ashore...we are selective with the organised tours. They can be big moneyspinners for the companies. Two years ago we were in Alta, N Norway for two nights for viewing the Nortern Lights. We didn’t book a tour but went up to the top to see them. Awesome and free! People were paying £100+ for a bus trip...booking through onshore companies was cheaper and more versatile re finding good viewing though.
It was COLD but the bar was just below us....Second night was cloudy so no views.

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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: +8Rich] #531201
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Not only are these big ships very ugly, as in the picture in Venice, and not only that it must be the horror when 5000 tourists suddenly visit the city like a plague (BTW they clog the city and do not spend money on gastronomy, because they eat everything on the ship). In a way, many historical cities are literally afflicted by this type of tourism.

I may not be an expert in marine engineering, but remember the Costa Concordia. The people were only saved because the ship happened to be stranded on an underwater ledge. Without it, the thousands of people would all have flooded within minutes.
The old classic cruise ships had greater draught and did not immediately tip over. That's why in quite a few cases there was more time for the rescue.

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We go regularly to Antigua. We always avoid being in the capital when the cruise ships are in. 15-20000 people arrive in a day. My idea of hell though I know others are passionate lovers of cruises.


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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: +8Rich] #531213
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There is only one ship I would like to sail on, it would probably be very dreamlike but also correspondingly very expensive.

https://www.seacloud.com/en/yachts/sea-cloud-ii/

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Heinz,
yes I have seen form the hotel dinghy when sailing of Fyffes Beach in Antigua. I think from memory £6k per week.
My great grand father sailed clipper ships & that cruise liner is my idea of a fun day out.


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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: Heinz] #531218
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Originally Posted By Heinz
There is only one ship I would like to sail on, it would probably be very dreamlike but also correspondingly very expensive.

https://www.seacloud.com/en/yachts/sea-cloud-ii/


A fellow Bell Ringing friend in our Tower had a trip on this and she thoroughly enjoyed, her husband bought it for her as a special Birthday present as she is an avid fan of the old sailing ships.


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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: Heinz] #531222
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Originally Posted By Heinz
There is only one ship I would like to sail on, it would probably be very dreamlike but also correspondingly very expensive.

https://www.seacloud.com/en/yachts/sea-cloud-ii/


That looks splendid.

Star Clipper is also worth considering. Not as luxurious but a splendid experience. We have tried Star Clipper once in the Caribbean where she went to the smaller islands or the out of the way bays of the larger islands. We have also tried her larger sister ship (Royal Clipper) twice - once in the Caribbean and once in the Med. All excellent experiences - not luxurious but comfortable and great destinations without causing the massive impacts of the larger ships.


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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: +8Rich] #531484
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Star Clipper looks like a very interesting and reasonable alternative, Paul. Obviously very close to nature and even more like a Morgan...More canvas and less silk.

By chance today the topic of invasive tourism is discussed in my daily newspaper, the Frankfurter Allgemeine...with this picture lead-in, also showing Venice. I couldn't resist posting this here because it looks in a similar way as impactful as the impressive picture Peter has found.



The only problem is that I quickly become a moralist in the face of such images, but I also like to travel myself...eat cake and forbid bread to others is not fair. There must be regulations and limitations, but they should be acceptable to all.

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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: +8Rich] #531488
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The current trend for huge mega cruise ships is to cope with the increased demand and maximise profits. The huge cost, maintenance and lifespan of these ships means more passengers to generate profit.
I liken it to the spoiling of the once gems of holiday locations as more learn about them and commercialisation increases.
Aerotaff told me last Friday that he went to Tenby last week by bus (couple of miles) and had never seen it more busy. Good for tourist trade but shuffling amongst myriads of wandering tourists is not for me. There are local hotspots that we avoid due to overcrowding at peak times. They are great on a nice winter day though!
Same for cruising. As I said earlier we don’t like these big ships. Their size also limits where they can berth necessitating tenders to go ashore in previous walk off ports. The ports and hinterland then become full of rubber necking passengers.
As for Venice, I believe they are restricting or about to, cruise ships sailing in due to adverse effects.


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