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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: +8Rich] #531499
04/09/18 07:46 AM
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I'm with Dave W on this issue, the idea of being locked in a floating holiday camp with organised day trips just doesn't attract us.

We live between the New Forest and Salisbury, both are tourist destinations and the traffic on some days during the school holidays means that it isn't worth going out of the village. I sympathise with and understand the residents of Venice, Barcelona, Dubrovnik and other tourist hot spots who cry "enough".
Yes, tourists bring money, but they are also a cause of pollution.

I'm not sure how one can manage the increasing number of people who want to go and experience other places in an organised manner. But as the Chinese and Indians become more affluent they too will travel more and more...to places that we call home.


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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: +8Rich] #531501
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At least the cruise ships can’t get up Morecambe Bay!


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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: +8Rich] #531511
04/09/18 08:54 AM
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They don't know what they're missing John.............

But if they came - it would ruin the ambience.........


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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: +8Rich] #531515
04/09/18 09:05 AM
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They just need to dredge the bay to get the gin palaces in.


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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: +8Rich] #531516
04/09/18 09:34 AM
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That would create a cockle glut without a doubt.......... grin2


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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: Peter J] #531519
04/09/18 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted By Peter J
But as the Chinese and Indians become more affluent they too will travel more and more...to places that we call home.


But that's exactly what we do to others..!

Being a bit simplistic, but the recent surge in Scottish tourism has a lot to do with the marketing of the "NC500", the five hundred mile perimeter of that beautiful place. I read much about the surge of motorhomes, the congestion and the effects on the indigenous population of humans and wildlife.

I'm selfish on this, because I've been fortunate enough to spend many a happy week or so riding around on two wheels up there either trying to find a fuel station or a cafe, it was that empty. Now, a trip needs planning to avoid the influx of people exactly like ourselves, but with homes on wheels.

To me, it's spoilt it. But it's brought in money, and it's a fine line trying to balance that. I will add that probably half of the small businesses are run by English people trying to live the dream away from the rat race, so it's hard to see how that is sustainable to the locals.

Tourism is a balancing act, but the popularity of social media, the internet and the need to escape the ordinary is adding to the cultural degradation and the fragility of the most scenic places.

And we're all as bad..


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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: Peter J] #531524
04/09/18 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted By Peter J

But as the Chinese and Indians become more affluent they too will travel more and more...to places that we call home.


Whilst aboard Azamara Pursuit, we were joined by the CEO of the company. He did a Q&A one afternoon. Two things were interesting:
1) There are unlikely to be any more smaller ships (the ones we like) built - they take too long to make a return on capital. That's why Azamara just bought an 18 year old ship off Carnival and spent a lot on a refurbishment rather than build new.
2) The biggest growth market for the cruise industry is now China.


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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: +8Rich] #531531
04/09/18 12:19 PM
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Having been on several cruises we are now more selective. We tend to look for new ports of call or out of the way routes.
A favourite from 2001 was a return leg from Capetown via St Helena, Dakar, Tenerife, Lisbon. On the QE2.
Great company at dining and well looked after with lots of sea time not port hopping.
When planning we look carefully at destinations re trips and try booking our own. A classic was using a local tour company to see St Petersburg. Absolutely magnificent. Our guide got us past queues and a better itinerary than the official ship organised tours.
Quite a bit cheaper too.
I think too many cruisers are lazy re tours and are unadventurous.
Cate is needed though.....if you are late back you need to fly to the next port of call as th3 ship won’t wait. If you are on one of their tours then they do wait. Hence a credit card and passport!

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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: Stringers Best Mate] #531584
04/09/18 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted By Stringers Best Mate
Originally Posted By Peter J
But as the Chinese and Indians become more affluent they too will travel more and more...to places that we call home.


But that's exactly what we do to others..!

Being a bit simplistic, but the recent surge in Scottish tourism has a lot to do with the marketing of the "NC500", the five hundred mile perimeter of that beautiful place. I read much about the surge of motorhomes, the congestion and the effects on the indigenous population of humans and wildlife.

I'm selfish on this, because I've been fortunate enough to spend many a happy week or so riding around on two wheels up there either trying to find a fuel station or a cafe, it was that empty. Now, a trip needs planning to avoid the influx of people exactly like ourselves, but with homes on wheels.

To me, it's spoilt it. But it's brought in money, and it's a fine line trying to balance that. I will add that probably half of the small businesses are run by English people trying to live the dream away from the rat race, so it's hard to see how that is sustainable to the locals.

Tourism is a balancing act, but the popularity of social media, the internet and the need to escape the ordinary is adding to the cultural degradation and the fragility of the most scenic places.

And we're all as bad..
. You are right, every one who takes a holiday is guilty.


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Re: How not to do it.. [Re: Ray] #531745
05/09/18 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Ray
Originally Posted By Stringers Best Mate
Originally Posted By Peter J
But as the Chinese and Indians become more affluent they too will travel more and more...to places that we call home.


But that's exactly what we do to others..!

Being a bit simplistic, but the recent surge in Scottish tourism has a lot to do with the marketing of the "NC500", the five hundred mile perimeter of that beautiful place. I read much about the surge of motorhomes, the congestion and the effects on the indigenous population of humans and wildlife.

I'm selfish on this, because I've been fortunate enough to spend many a happy week or so riding around on two wheels up there either trying to find a fuel station or a cafe, it was that empty. Now, a trip needs planning to avoid the influx of people exactly like ourselves, but with homes on wheels.

To me, it's spoilt it. But it's brought in money, and it's a fine line trying to balance that. I will add that probably half of the small businesses are run by English people trying to live the dream away from the rat race, so it's hard to see how that is sustainable to the locals.

Tourism is a balancing act, but the popularity of social media, the internet and the need to escape the ordinary is adding to the cultural degradation and the fragility of the most scenic places.

And we're all as bad..
. You are right, every one who takes a holiday is guilty.


Up the workers laugh2


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