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#533973 - 22/09/18 01:57 PM Seats Not Wearing Well
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The color has changed from honey (tan) to almost white along the stitched seams on the seat back and lower back area... little white fits right alongside the stitching. I still have warranty until March so I’ve contacted the dealer. Anybody else experience this?

I’ve been having trouble loading pics. I’ll keep trying.
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#533977 - 22/09/18 02:15 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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#533979 - 22/09/18 02:43 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: +8Rich]
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Interesting that it effects two panels of leather yet is on the right hand side of each seam. Suggests a machine fault with the leather stitching foot of the sewing machine that has overtightened or damaged one side of each stitch. Could be? thinking

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#533980 - 22/09/18 02:55 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Ken will be interested in that - it always amazes me the panoply of knowledge on TM thumbs
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#533990 - 22/09/18 04:48 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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- that looks unacceptable and very disappointing Ken.

There is a UK product called 'Scuffmaster' which would cover that damage successfully .You send them a tiny sample (from e.g. under the seat) and they will perfectly colour match.I can highly recommend and provide more detail if you get to that stage.....

That said,I think I would first be pushing to have it fixed (replaced?) under warranty ,so good luck thumbs

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#534095 - 23/09/18 10:54 AM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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The reason you get wear one side is due to how flutes are made. The leather is folded back on itself and sewn, this is repeated to produce the fluted panel. So one side of the seam is thicker and stands proud, therefore will wear first. The seats can be repainted or connolised back to original.

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#534122 - 23/09/18 03:55 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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As stated in previous replies the leather is repairable, its the source of what caused it that can be trickier to detect. In all my Morgans I tend to slide into the seats from whatever angle suits best. This sliding with certain types of clothing e.g. buttons on pockets can produce wear on the seats. My +8 was the first to do this as I tended to slide down the back of the seat. Being conscious of this I now ease my way in not allowing any buttons to rub the leather.
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#534154 - 23/09/18 07:53 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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I’d be pushing hard to have the leather replaced if you are still under warranty. That’s a manufacturing fault not normal wear. As mentioned earlier it looks as though the stitch tensioning is incorrect and it’s tearing off the coloured layer.
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#534155 - 23/09/18 08:16 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: Jays]
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Originally Posted By Jays
I’d be pushing hard to have the leather replaced if you are still under warranty. That’s a manufacturing fault not normal wear. As mentioned earlier it looks as though the stitch tensioning is incorrect and it’s tearing off the coloured layer.


I concur. I’ve sent pics to the dealer. I’ll let you all know.
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#534171 - 24/09/18 12:56 AM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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My 2017 is doing exactly the same - I'll add a pic when I next pull it out of the barn. Same type of wear along the seams of the backrest.

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#534189 - 24/09/18 08:55 AM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: Jays]
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Originally Posted By Jays
I’d be pushing hard to have the leather replaced if you are still under warranty. That’s a manufacturing fault not normal wear. As mentioned earlier it looks as though the stitch tensioning is incorrect and it’s tearing off the coloured layer.


Sounds reasonable...
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#534201 - 24/09/18 11:02 AM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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That is not at all as it should be...possibly over tight stitching or poor quality leather.

This is a photo of the stitching on Tarka's seats, 4.5 years and 36,000 miles wear...



OK, it is a different style, but it really shouldn't wear through like that.
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#534211 - 24/09/18 02:10 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: britmog]
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Originally Posted By britmog
As stated in previous replies the leather is repairable, its the source of what caused it that can be trickier to detect. In all my Morgans I tend to slide into the seats from whatever angle suits best. This sliding with certain types of clothing e.g. buttons on pockets can produce wear on the seats. My +8 was the first to do this as I tended to slide down the back of the seat. Being conscious of this I now ease my way in not allowing any buttons to rub the leather.

Yeah, I noticed something similar on my seat to the pictures, and determined that my belt was scraping on my way down into the car. I remove the steering wheel every time now, and am very careful to sit then then move to put my back against the seat. The damage has not gotten worse since I first noticed and adjusted my entry, though I'll take another look when I get home.

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#535546 - 03/10/18 12:26 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: Jays]
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Originally Posted By Jays
I’d be pushing hard to have the leather replaced if you are still under warranty. That’s a manufacturing fault not normal wear. As mentioned earlier it looks as though the stitch tensioning is incorrect and it’s tearing off the coloured layer.


If you look very closely at the photos you can see on the leather with the damaged colour layer that the grain of the leather has been smoothed out, (as if it has been "ironed") almost disappearing closer to the stitches themselves, unlike the panel it is stitched to. This smooth area runs the length of the seam and I am guessing about 10-15mm wide?
Methinks definite fault in the sewing process.

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#535802 - 04/10/18 10:57 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Ken do you wear a belt? My miles are less and my wear is much less. I suspect sliding down the back seat is not a good idea so I will change how I get in and seated which is already cumbersome. Clearly morgan needs to change how they stitch this as well. Had I known I would have opted for the quilted version.

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#535806 - 04/10/18 11:07 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: 2Sharp]
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Originally Posted By 2Sharp
Ken do you wear a belt? My miles are less and my wear is much less. I suspect sliding down the back seat is not a good idea so I will change how I get in and seated which is already cumbersome. Clearly morgan needs to change how they stitch this as well. Had I known I would have opted for the quilted version.


No belt.
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#535868 - 05/10/18 01:44 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Let us know what the dealer says. Mine certainly look worse than I remember, so I don't think that changing how I sit down has helped stop it from getting worse.

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#536159 - 07/10/18 01:39 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: NickValentine]
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Originally Posted By NickValentine
Let us know what the dealer says. Mine certainly look worse than I remember, so I don't think that changing how I sit down has helped stop it from getting worse.


Will do. Awaiting a response.
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#538634 - 22/10/18 06:16 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Any updates?
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#538636 - 22/10/18 06:26 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: Draggin]
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Originally Posted By Draggin
Any updates?


Dealer filed claim (actually two) with Morgan weeks ago. Shockingly they have yet to respond. 😂
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#540882 - 04/11/18 03:34 AM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Still no response.
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#541265 - 06/11/18 02:14 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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My seat is doing exactly the same, and I only have ~1200 miles on mine. Took it in for it's initial service yesterday and the dealer (same one as Ken) is going to forward pictures on to Morgan for replacement. She has not heard back from them yet on Ken's request, but now there will be at least 2 identical reports of problems.

While there I looked at a 2012 M3W with the previous leather manufacture (prior to Yarwood, can't recall the name?) and there is a difference in how the seats are/were pleated. The earlier car has a slightly, but noticeable, "taller" pleat than the new cars - like there is more padding in the pleating. This causes the stitching to be further recessed in the older seat. The new car has a flatter pleat, where as the older one I looked at had a more rounded pleat. So perhaps it's the padding that is the problem rather than the stitching?

Here is a pic of my seat, with 1200 miles of time in it:

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#541273 - 06/11/18 02:30 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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The misalignment of the pleats and stitch lines would really annoy me
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#543757 - 19/11/18 11:26 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Originally Posted By KenShapiro
Still no response.


My dealer said ,” I have it on my calendar to get back to you on Tuesday ( 6th)”. Tomorrow will be Tuesday the 14th. Nothing.
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#543758 - 19/11/18 11:27 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: CooperMan]
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Originally Posted By CooperMan
The misalignment of the pleats and stitch lines would really annoy me


I never even noticed!😂
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#544852 - 26/11/18 03:27 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Hi, I have only just seen this post, I have had the same issue with my 2016 M3W and mentioned it when I took took the car to the factory for some other warranty work. It was blamed on wear from getting in and out of the car. The leather was, I think, re-stained along the offending stitching.
I will be interested to see how they address your issue.

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#544885 - 26/11/18 06:19 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: Andrewmcc]
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Welcome to TM Andrew. So they blamed you for getting in and out of the car rather than the poor leather stitching? I suppose you sat on the seats as well!!!! ooo

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#544940 - 27/11/18 02:32 AM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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I finally got MMC talking to my dealer... I responded publicly on their IG site saying it’s a great car but they need to address warranty issues.
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#545240 - 28/11/18 02:40 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: planenut]
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Hi

You could say that. I have lost count of the number of faults that had to be put right, but they include new clutch, paint issues, indicator issues and oil leek just to start with, so the seats just seem par for the course. To be fair the faults have been put right with no complaints, but these are supposed to be premium cars and are bought as expensive automotive toys so should be right.
Regarding the seats, the quality of the leather that is now used was discussed and pointed out to me that it is not as it used to be.
So to see how Morgan treat American customers will be interesting, I have gone back and had another look at my repaired seats and there is still a white bit at the very bottom of the backrest, not a place that would be affected by getting in and out.

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#545411 - 29/11/18 02:26 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Hi Ken

Having had the same seat problem and already had the car back to the factory, where the stitching was re dyed, I would be interested to know what their solution is for you. Especially if they renew your seats.

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#545650 - 30/11/18 07:03 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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I've never been too impressed with the leather. Mine looks like it has "runs" in it like it was sprayed with something. Didn't look great new.

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#545664 - 30/11/18 07:59 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Isn't most factory leather not great these days?

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#550615 - 29/12/18 12:13 AM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Still no answer from Morgan. Started this claim in late September. Ridiculous.
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#550773 - 29/12/18 10:55 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Same here - I'm about a month behind you...

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#551468 - 03/01/19 02:13 AM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Heard from dealer today. Morgan has agreed to replace the leather. Dealer is suggesting that Morgan supply the leather and local talent here stitched the covers more deeply ( as the 2012-13 cars were) so that the stitching is not exposed as it is on later cars. We shall see.
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#551471 - 03/01/19 06:33 AM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Positive news Ken
Pity it’s taken such a while to get some sort of recognition of a problem
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#551716 - 04/01/19 03:39 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Bonus is you can get the local talent to align the pleats this time
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#556961 - 31/01/19 02:52 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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The latest... MMC has four warranty claims... mine, another at my dealership, another US owner, and a UK owner who is taking his car to the factory on February 10 where the leather company and the MMC upholstery shop will assess. MMC has agreed that dying isn’t a solution. I’m guessing that these four cars were done in close sequence and whomever was at the sewing machine didn’t do things correctly. We’ll see. After seeing the car at the factory, MMC will make a decision and let my dealer know. Right now they’re thinking of sewing new covers there ( I’ll send a sample of my leather) for installing here.
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#556963 - 31/01/19 02:58 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Good to hear MMC finally moving on this one..

I hope you get a good job done, at least you will be on hand to see progress.
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#556966 - 31/01/19 03:17 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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On Drew Pritchard's "Salvage Hunter Classic Cars" recently, they did a refit of an MGC interior. They used a specialist upholsterer, and interestingly he said that the stitching and pleating had to be done the opposite way on the drivers, and passengers seat. This was because as you slide into the seat, it pulls on the stitching and if it's not done in the right alignment it will pull, and wear the leather prematurely.
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#557037 - 31/01/19 08:05 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Dave, very interesting, I think I've got that episode 'taped' to watch
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#557205 - 01/02/19 02:58 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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A bit difficult on a one piece backrest. Should be handed to the driver though so a LHD backrest would fit a RHD but be "wrong"

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#562331 - 26/02/19 04:04 PM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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Hi Ken

I have sent a PM to you re the seats and Morgans way forward.
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#564796 - 09/03/19 05:37 AM Re: Seats Not Wearing Well [Re: KenShapiro]
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STILL no repair or even an answer 1/2 year later.
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