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Re: S5- Paint Issues [Re: luckywhiteheathe] #543773
20/11/18 07:38 AM
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The only way to address microblistering is to remove all of the coating from the affected area and start again.

Unfortunately there is no way of knowing if it will appear elsewhere at a later date. The only way to ensure that it doesn't is a complete "bare metal" repaint, which I doubt they will undertake. Failing this I'd ask for an extended warranty on the rest of the car.

I've known cars where the coating has been fine for two or three years before microblistering has started. In such cases there is an inherent problem but it may take an event such as a change in storage or environmental conditions to kick start the process.

Re: S5- Paint Issues [Re: aerotaff] #543775
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Originally Posted By aerotaff
That's a very limp excuse or observation Jays, Morgan are selling 140k motor cars


Em


My comment wasn’t meant as an excuse. Em. It’s just a fact that the charming motor manufacturer that we all love, has as part of its antiquated charm a not very perfect process in painting.


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Re: S5- Paint Issues [Re: Stef] #543796
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Originally Posted By Stef
I should have an update from the dealer within the next few days as to exactly what the factory have done. There were quite a few panels affected as well as a couple of other paint jobs to be done at the same time:
a) upon receipt of the car when new there was a paint blemish in the middle of the passenger door
b) a stone had flicked up hard into the front wheel arch causing a pimple on the top side of the bodywork and a cracking of the paint (I find it bizarre that Morgan don't line the front wheel arches. It leaves the aluminium exposed to stone chips). I'm getting my dealer to fit liners to ensure this doesn't happen again.

I'll give you a heads up as to exactly what the factory has done once I get the update.


Thanks Stef, most keen to get an update on Morgan's position on this.Also do provide details of the wheel-arch liners you are having fitted.
Cheers!


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Re: S5- Paint Issues [Re: Dean-Royal] #543797
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Originally Posted By Dean-Royal

Causes:
Contamination of the surface before spraying.
Insufficient ground coat.
Insufficient topcoat.
Inappropriate thinner.
Final coat was exposed to high humidity before it was completely hard.
Continuous exposure to high humidity / contaminated air supply.
Residue of sanding water in corners, edges, rebates and below decorative strips.
Insufficient isolation of polyester.



A friend of mine with a specialist engineering company (manufactures high-end equipment for off-shore and marine use) even ventured to suggest that it could be contaminants in the raw aluminium. Apparently some cheaper sources of aluminium (Far East) are renowned for being less than 'pure' in content which could give rise to such problems in finished products.Anybody know where Morgan source their aluminium... innocent


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Re: S5- Paint Issues [Re: luckywhiteheathe] #543800
20/11/18 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted By luckywhiteheathe
Anybody know where Morgan source their aluminium... innocent

Alcan Aluminium: Aluminium sheets
British Aluminium: Front longitudinal extrusion, Suspension components extrusions
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Re: S5- Paint Issues [Re: luckywhiteheathe] #543813
20/11/18 10:54 AM
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We bought the 2013 Geneva motor show Coupe. It was used for a lot of PR and other work before it came to us. Not surprisingly the kerb side running board was quite pitted. The roads around the factory are narrow and a little frayed at the edges.There were also couple of other places that needed love.

They completely replaced the bonnets and these have been fine.
They did some parts of the body and these have been fine.

The running boards became a source of pain for both parties sadly. They resprayed them and they bubbled again quickly (3 months) and then again shortly later. In the end the factory replaced the boards completely. Now in 2018 they are bubbling again.

I know a company near to me that specialise in painting aluminium as they restore classic cars, it is likely I will look to them.


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Re: S5- Paint Issues [Re: Jays] #543943
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Originally Posted By Jays
The problem Morgan has unlike other car manufacturers is that the cars are exposed to the weather on their way down to the first paint shop for prepping and primers and then again to the second paint shop for the colour coat. I know that they do take great pride in their paint finishes which compared to many other manufacturers are pretty good.


Primer is porous and can absorb moisture so it's a possibility.

Re: S5- Paint Issues [Re: mph] #544105
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One brand of paint has had these issues (and as stated earlier - Merc Benz product has suffered badly with this micro blistering especially on red vehicles).

The MB warranty process states that all the paint must be removed and the vehicle painted from substrate i.e. bare metal.

This is what I would be asking for here with this S5? I would also NOT be settling with just certain panels, I would want the whole car painted.

You might also have colour mismatch concerns, with just odd panels being painted?

Also what if the un-treated panels "flare-up" in 2 years i.e out of warranty.... ooo


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Re: S5- Paint Issues [Re: MDS61] #544173
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Originally Posted By MDS61
The MB warranty process states that all the paint must be removed and the vehicle painted from substrate i.e. bare metal.

This is what I would be asking for here with this S5? I would also NOT be settling with just certain panels, I would want the whole car painted.

You might also have colour mismatch concerns, with just odd panels being painted?

Also what if the un-treated panels "flare-up" in 2 years i.e out of warranty.... ooo



These are all issues that I have already asked to be addressed by Morgan MDS61.. awaiting a response......


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Re: S5- Paint Issues [Re: Stef] #544201
22/11/18 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Stef
It's matt silver Graham.

Looks as though it is going back together then Stef (16 plate?).
Didn't get a chance to ask any questions of the guys working on it though, sadly.
I rather like the colour thumbs


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