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#544161 - 22/11/18 01:20 PM Shake, rattle and moan
SALMO Offline
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Registered: 15/08/17
Posts: 92
Loc: Mercia, UK
Hi Everyone,

Sunday weather was glorious so went for a drive around the lanes north of Tamworth.

But after twenty years of Morgan ownership it's crunch time.....either the rattles go or the car goes.

So, notwithstanding existing anti rattle strips around the bonnet and rubbers around the doors I have set to work on what will be a never ending task, rattle eradication.

To start with windscreen. On my car it folds on pivots and everything seems to need "stiffening", especially to stop the connecting block for the electric element squeaking on the leather dash roll, squeak, squeak, squeak.

Then we have the hood, a hybrid lift a dot at the screen but a fixed hoop at the rear. The two catches at the rear are useless. No matter if they are adjusted for a tight or loose fit they release within a mile of driving, hood up or down...rattle, rattle, rattle.

Then we have the MMC rack with the tubes fitted near the overriders, rattle, retold, rattle

I will let you know what happens but any suggestions for other places to look will be appreciated.

Regards for now

Geof
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#544164 - 22/11/18 01:59 PM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
lowebird Offline
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Registered: 11/01/11
Posts: 3062
Loc: norfolk, UK
Geof,

What about a mega stereo!!! innocent
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#544165 - 22/11/18 02:07 PM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
CooperMan Offline

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Registered: 19/11/15
Posts: 547
Loc: Yorkshire
Geof, a couple of suggestions

Rub a bit of liquid leather conditioner on the windscreen heater block & wires

For the hood catches, I use a PTFE based dry lube sprayed down each hole, as it sounds like the sliding catch is not properly engaging with the 'prong', with the rear of the hood out of the way look down the holes as you pull the release lever and check to see the sliders are working, with the spare wheel out you can access the mechanisms

Good look
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#544169 - 22/11/18 02:24 PM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
SALMO Offline
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Registered: 15/08/17
Posts: 92
Loc: Mercia, UK
Reg, damn, I forgot about that.

Jon, will certainly give the conditioner a try.
Re the catches, they are working ok and are greased up. However, I will strip grease as best as possible and try your PTFE lube (and re-adjust release cable at same time if necessary).

Thanks for imput.

Regards

Geof
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#544180 - 22/11/18 03:34 PM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
howard Offline
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Registered: 01/01/09
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Originally Posted By SALMO
Hi Everyone,

Sunday weather was glorious so went for a drive around the lanes north of Tamworth.

But after twenty years of Morgan ownership it's crunch time.....either the rattles go or the car goes.

So, notwithstanding existing anti rattle strips around the bonnet and rubbers around the doors I have set to work on what will be a never ending task, rattle eradication.

To start with windscreen. On my car it folds on pivots and everything seems to need "stiffening", especially to stop the connecting block for the electric element squeaking on the leather dash roll, squeak, squeak, squeak.

Then we have the hood, a hybrid lift a dot at the screen but a fixed hoop at the rear. The two catches at the rear are useless. No matter if they are adjusted for a tight or loose fit they release within a mile of driving, hood up or down...rattle, rattle, rattle.

Then we have the MMC rack with the tubes fitted near the overriders, rattle, retold, rattle

I will let you know what happens but any suggestions for other places to look will be appreciated.

Regards for now

Geof


If you can hear rattles then the exhaust is too quiet.

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#544189 - 22/11/18 04:01 PM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
madmax Offline
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Registered: 18/08/14
Posts: 4326
Loc: East Anglia
20 years is a long time to own a Morgan , no wonder it rattles a bit !
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#544190 - 22/11/18 04:01 PM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
Button Offline
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Registered: 19/12/11
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I take My Hearing Aids out.
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#544194 - 22/11/18 04:26 PM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
SALMO Offline
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Registered: 15/08/17
Posts: 92
Loc: Mercia, UK
B*gg*r, I had new aids only last week!!

But how clever are MMC. My car was built in 2006 and represents a 1995 model. Not only have they got all the design characteristics of that year but all the rattles as well.

Regards

Geof
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#544205 - 22/11/18 05:37 PM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
CooperMan Offline

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Registered: 19/11/15
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Loc: Yorkshire
I've heard genuine English rattles are getting too expensive & they are now often bought off fleabay from an offshore source and delivered in a damp bag
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#544244 - 22/11/18 09:36 PM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
Horror Offline
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Registered: 14/05/15
Posts: 93

No doubt aggravating but it’s a 12 year old car and 2 out of the 3 are aftermarket modifications or fitments, is that really MMCs fault?

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#544261 - 23/11/18 02:00 AM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
SALMO Offline
Just Getting Started

Registered: 15/08/17
Posts: 92
Loc: Mercia, UK
Hi Horror,

Years of love, cherishment (is that a word?), fun, broken nails, amusement etc etc. I love my cars, present and past, and it will be a sad day when I can no longer fettle and drive.

To answer your question my present car, a 70th Anniversary 4/4 is a little unusual and the fold down screen and hybrid hood were standard for this model, not aftermarket fitted. You won't see many like this! And, the rack is MMC design and fitted.

The thread started in a somewhat light hearted manner but being serious, sometimes, for me, item design and quality are sometimes compromised. But i can appreciate small number runs of speciall editions produce their own cost/design problems

But do I love my daily driver instead.....you must be joking

Regards

Geof
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#544263 - 23/11/18 04:25 AM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
Hamwich Online   content

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Registered: 28/04/08
Posts: 6966
Loc: Gloucestershire, UK
Originally Posted By SALMO
I have set to work on what will be a never ending task, rattle eradication.


I think this is pretty much a standard feature of owning a traditional Morgan - which is why I couldn't honestly recommend them to anyone who isn't prepared to get stuck in with the spanners now and again.

I'm sure you already know this, but I would advise always to address the underlying causes rather than the symptoms.
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#544264 - 23/11/18 04:43 AM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
Stewart S Online   content
Wave & smile... It's a Morgan
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Registered: 14/06/14
Posts: 9809
Loc: Lancashire, England
Nice car by the way Geof
I love the 75th anniversary model
Definitely one of the nicest looking specials in my opinion
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#544272 - 23/11/18 08:36 AM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: Stewart S]
Jays Offline

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Registered: 08/02/11
Posts: 14003
Loc: Cumbria UK
I do like the 75th model apart from the sticker down the bonnet. I should have bought one!
But with the 70th Anniversary cars I really think Morgan tried a lot harder with a lot of design messages from the past.
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#544281 - 23/11/18 10:33 AM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
DaveW Offline
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Registered: 11/12/08
Posts: 16767
Loc: South Yorkshire
BHM took the sticker off Bumble at my request.

Amazingly there was no shadow, but apparently it came off in tiny pieces over a long period!
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#544288 - 23/11/18 02:19 PM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: Stewart S]
Stewart S Online   content
Wave & smile... It's a Morgan
Needs to Get Out More!

Registered: 14/06/14
Posts: 9809
Loc: Lancashire, England
Originally Posted By Stewart S
Nice car by the way Geof
I love the 75th anniversary model
Definitely one of the nicest looking specials in my opinion


Sorry I meant the 70th edition not the 75 year edition
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#544293 - 23/11/18 03:50 PM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
PhilRoyle Offline

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Registered: 30/08/11
Posts: 1674
Loc: Derby
I worry if mine stops rattling as it means something has fallen off! Vaseline on bonnet tapes etc. although a doctor friend swears by KY Jelly (I hope he wears rubber gloves when applying) - but hey - each to their own
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#544351 - 23/11/18 08:23 PM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
Horror Offline
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Registered: 14/05/15
Posts: 93
Geof,
My apologies, I didn’t read your initial post as being light hearted.
As others have said you are not alone in your quest.

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#544394 - 24/11/18 01:43 AM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
SALMO Offline
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Registered: 15/08/17
Posts: 92
Loc: Mercia, UK
Hi Horror,

Absolutely no apology needed or offence taken. Really, to be honest I've got a really dry sense of humour which often doesn't travel.

Whilst writing...an update:-
With the weather being so dull I have renewed all the bits of anti rattle rubber and stuff I fitted over the years with my car almost like new. Except, that is, for the hood locking mechanism.

I have now leant there were a couple of iterations of the catch locking slider about the time my car was built and I may have an old set. So, I will obtain a couple of replacements in the near future and hopefully can tick that off the list. But for now I will continue to put my modified rubber door stops on the two pegs!

Hope this helps anyone.

Regards

Geof
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#544509 - 24/11/18 03:21 PM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
nick w Online   content

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Registered: 31/03/09
Posts: 1858
Whilst embracing the light hearted theme......
I do remember driving my first Mog home. I actually stopped and got out to inspect the back thinking something in the suspension had broken! It was a 1986 4 seater with the old type shocks. I'd asked the previous owner how it felt at 70 to 80. He said " it's like being in your own, personal volcano". How right he was. Then I remember the first storm (hood up)....rain coming in over the windscreen at anything over 50mph. Made me laugh. So began a long loving relationship curing this rattle, stopping that leak, never ending, fantastic. Watching and listening to passengers on their first trip...the shock, brilliant. Solved a few back problems as people's core muscles took over their proper job. Bump coming, sit away from the backrest! Oh, and the time in the rain when a Beemer came the other way as we were both entering a big puddle...whooosh a waterfall came up under offside sidescreen and drenched me. Then there was the leak from under the dash soaking my knees. Better than iq puzzles working out the cures.
It's almost a disappointment now in my 2014 model, hardly anything needed "adjustment" from new!
Nick

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#553242 - 11/01/19 04:06 PM Re: Shake, rattle and moan [Re: SALMO]
SALMO Offline
Just Getting Started

Registered: 15/08/17
Posts: 92
Loc: Mercia, UK
Hi Everyone,

Bit of an update.......

By the use of a quantity of various washers, leather and neoprene strips,and nut tightening I have eradicated many if not most of the rattles.

The rear hood frame latches were a major issue in that they never properly latched allowing the component parts to rattle against each other. So I obtained and fitted a couple of replacements. It was very noticeable the springs have been upgraded, larger diameter and thicker gauge wire, giving a much greater pressure on the sliding part of the latch.

The old latches had considerable damage in the receptor hole at the 1pm position and I can only conclude the weak springs enabled the male prong part of the mechanism to "shake rattle and moan" to the point they were useless.

I now look forward to being out again.

Hope this helps.

Incidentally my car was built at the end of 2006

Regards

Geof
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