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#547942 - 13/12/18 10:30 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
Krod Offline
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Registered: 14/07/11
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I would sport it if it werent for the price. Im not against the small passenger seat as my wife and I are smaller than most in our waist area. On paper, most else about this car is superior to the Morgan. The only thing I dont like in the looks department are the wider car type tire, but that may be better as well.

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#547947 - 13/12/18 11:03 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
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From everything I have seen and read about, Pete Larson's car did many things better than the current Morgan. His steering design was much better even with the bigger tires. That was one of the first things Morgan threw out due to cost. Like the Triking, all of the tires were the same size which reduced complexity. It's a lighter car as well. Much to admire.
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#547951 - 14/12/18 12:39 AM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
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"That Moto Guzzi unit has a pretty good balance,” says Larsen, owner of Seattle-based Liberty Motors and designer and builder of the Ace three-wheeler. “The Harley engine will eat transmissions, crack frames and destroy driveshafts.”
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#547952 - 14/12/18 12:47 AM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: 06032]
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Originally Posted By 06032
"That Moto Guzzi unit has a pretty good balance,” says Larsen, owner of Seattle-based Liberty Motors and designer and builder of the Ace three-wheeler. “The Harley engine will eat transmissions, crack frames and destroy driveshafts.”


Here's the full article that may have started it all:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/first-drives/4734497/Liberty-Ace-review.html
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#547956 - 14/12/18 01:07 AM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
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I wonder if a BMW 2-cyl horizontally-opposed 'R' motorcycle engine was ever considered. Seems like it would solve the vibration, tranny and driveshaft issues.

Or even a Mazda wankel/rotary (RX-8) mated to the same tranny. Crap mileage but zoom zoom what a ride! 1.3 liters and 230hp with no power band or vibrations.

Sorry, off-topic....but has me thinking.
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#547962 - 14/12/18 07:48 AM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: 06032]
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Originally Posted By 06032
"That Moto Guzzi unit has a pretty good balance,” says Larsen, owner of Seattle-based Liberty Motors and designer and builder of the Ace three-wheeler. “The Harley engine will eat transmissions, crack frames and destroy driveshafts.”


He's right, of course. It's impossible to achieve perfect primary balance with a 45° V-twin, whereas with a 90° V it is possible..

Sure, the Guzzi engine also has an uneven firing cycle - this is inherent to all V-twins, and a large part of their charm, but unlike a Harley motor, the Guzzi's main interest in life is not in shaking itself to bits.
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#547980 - 14/12/18 09:47 AM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
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Interesting comment in Peter Dron's book that MMC rejected the (Goldwing) shaft drive as used on the Ace because it caused the rear end to lift under acceleration, particularly when pulling off. This was universally disliked by MMC apparently.
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#547999 - 14/12/18 12:32 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
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The single sided swinging arm which contains the prop shaft tries to climb up around the rear wheel as you pull away.
The amount of lift is dependant on the weight of the vehicle and it's inertial resistance to get moving.
I had a similar thing happem with a BMW sidecar outfit I had years ago, but you do get used to it.

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#548005 - 14/12/18 02:51 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
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I have long wondered the same thing about the BMW motorcycles engines making sense for vehicles such as this. Morgan already has a partnership with BMW, so I presume it was a decision based on looks or availability over performance or reliability.

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#548008 - 14/12/18 03:12 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: Krod]
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Originally Posted By Krod
I have long wondered the same thing about the BMW motorcycles engines making sense for vehicles such as this. Morgan already has a partnership with BMW, so I presume it was a decision based on looks or availability over performance or reliability.


And character - firing up the S&S big twin is always an event grin2

If you want smoothness wait for the EV3 to be reintroduced
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