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#548020 - 14/12/18 04:03 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
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Registered: 19/12/11
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I once bought a BMW Motorcycle with the idea of making a 3 wheeler. I even had an Artist Drawing of one I liked in particular. Too Old, too expensive and too little time. Gave the Motorcycle away in exchange for repairing rot in a deck of My home. Will post picture.
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#548034 - 14/12/18 04:50 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
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If smooth power delivery is the goal why did this design never catch on?


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#548037 - 14/12/18 05:14 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
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That Radial engine Morgan is fantastic, I was always baffled why a 3 cylinder radial Anzani was never added to a Morgan for racing purposes in period.

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#548083 - 14/12/18 07:37 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
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Character...plus tradition. Perhaps riskier to stray from the iconic V-recipe. Still, when you know up front that the V will cannibalize itself...takes big kahunas to do it anyway.

Thus, a vehicle for wide-eyed enthusiasts!

BTW, I HAD been waiting for the EV3 and was disappointed to hear of its reboot. It's an intriguing platform, if less than intoxicating without the vibrations and rumble. So bit the bullet on a gasser to get into the game. Life is short.
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#548084 - 14/12/18 07:39 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: 3Gs]
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Originally Posted By 3Gs
If smooth power delivery is the goal why did this design never catch on?



Now THAT is cool! Just avoid the angled driveways.
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#548109 - 14/12/18 10:07 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
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Can't imagine the radial makes any noise at all.

At least not without plug leads and fuel lines....
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#548127 - 15/12/18 04:34 AM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: Bitsobrits]
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Originally Posted By Bitsobrits
Can't imagine the radial makes any noise at all.

At least not without plug leads and fuel lines....


laugh2

I remember a few years ago on here that someone photoshopped a radial engine on a M3er. It looked very convincing

Just missing a few wing struts, a prop and machine gun
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#549178 - 20/12/18 06:02 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
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I feel privileged that I've gotten to know Pete Larsen a bit since becoming an M3W owner, and I've learned much in these discussions about the choices Morgan made after buying Pete's ACE designs. Tires were mentioned earlier on this thread and was one Morgan design changes that I understand was primarily made for aesthetics and cost; I personally would prefer rubber that is designed to take a lateral load and has more contact for a better skid-pad and braking. The seating layout in ACE was a compromise of getting a shaft driven rear and a tire that can be changed without disassembly. I think overall Pete was disappointed that Morgan didn't take his designs to the next level but, as a now Morgan dealer, his opinions are reserved so these are admittedly my conclusions.

I don't think the ACE that Morgan dissected back in the UK was ever put pack together so that leaves 12 ACEs on the planet; now that's rare!

Interesting that this example has a 'Under Morgan Licence' plaque on the dash as it was one of the last three that Morgan let Pete finish after he sold to Morgan, since their builds' were already in-progress.

All of this cool history can be read in this book: https://www.amazon.com/Morgan-3-Wheeler-...71105&psc=1


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#549234 - 20/12/18 10:07 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
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Here is another great article on the ACE:

https://www.jaxworx.com/musings/flying-ace/

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#549240 - 20/12/18 10:30 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
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That was a fine read. Interesting that the author considered the Ace sweet spot as 2-4000 RPM - the S&S on the M3W is more like 3750-4500.

Several people have written about the compromises Morgan made when it adapted the Ace. Some might regret a few of Pete Larsen's ideas that were left behind.

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