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#551957 - 05/01/19 06:56 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
ShaunD Offline
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Registered: 31/01/17
Posts: 505
Loc: Oxford
Looking forward to hearing how your drive went. Happy New Year with your new toy!

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#552022 - 06/01/19 12:20 AM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
3Gs Offline
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Registered: 11/02/18
Posts: 83
Loc: Seattle, WA.
Wow, ACE#10 is a beast!

The Harley 120R is very powerful and its dual counter balancing keeps it smooth too, this is especially noticeable as RPMs drop to an idle; very little of the shaking that I'm used to with my M3W. With all that power, and still damp roads, care was needed to keep the rear effectively engaged.

The wider front tires do provide additional grip and even with a 20mm wider rear tire it was quite easy to drift the tail at times, especially with a careless right foot.

I'm trying to recall my first M3W drive, and if that had the same 'pucker' factor; regardless, I'll need to maintain a healthy respect here...




Edited by 3Gs (06/01/19 12:21 AM)

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#552209 - 06/01/19 05:45 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: 3Gs]
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Registered: 23/01/14
Posts: 926
Loc: O'Fallon, Missouri USA
3Gs, I was going to ask if #10 had an 88" or the 96" "B" motor, but with the 120R "B" motor in your last post, told me the answer.

Pete used a different clutch and I believe the T-5 series 5-speed that's found in the earlier Camaro's etc. I had a couple long e-mails with Pete a few years ago and due to contractual agreement with Morgan, he was not able to continue explaining anything. I understand that. But as you get more used to the Ace, I may have a couple questions for you, definitely no hurry though.

Harley also makes the 120" in a low compression version and that may actually be better suited for the Ace or other facsimile with a Harley motor. Also S&S makes a Hot 124" kit for the pre-'06 "B" motors and that requires case boring, but other than that it has all new innards and new top end with heads and carb etc. It runs around $4,400 plus the machining and labor cost, if you have to farm that out.

Most of Pete's Ace's had the 88" and 96" motors and I believe them to be good performers as well.

I'm sure from the pictures I've downloaded on the Ace that the front end geometry is far superior to the M3W. The front frame area also looked to be a LOT beefier than the M3W and should not be an issue with "A" arms ripping loose or tons of bump steer.

I'm very happy to see one on the forum, congrats!
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#552573 - 08/01/19 05:53 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
3Gs Offline
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Registered: 11/02/18
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Loc: Seattle, WA.
I really think that Pete got the ACE's steering geometry just right. I took some fairly large bumps and the steering was light and precise throughout my inaugural drive.

In my M3W I've got the Empire Kit (now Krazy Horse) but with the Morgan elevated tie rod posts from their 'Comfort Kit'; Morgan's posts are supported at the top, unlike the Empire part (adding this additional reinforcement was Pete's advice too). This double combo of post production parts has made my M3W's steering feel far better than its stock configuration but I'll think still not quite as good as the ACE's.

When my M3W is fixed I'll be able to do a true side by side for comparison...

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#553675 - 13/01/19 08:40 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
3Gs Offline
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Registered: 11/02/18
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Loc: Seattle, WA.
Beautiful day here for the Ace and I...


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#553681 - 13/01/19 09:04 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
M3W55 Offline
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Registered: 19/07/18
Posts: 248
Thankfully it's only the Ox, the Ass and the wife that one should not covet, because I really admire that lovely Ace.

How does the Bevel Box behave?

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#553710 - 14/01/19 02:00 AM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
3Gs Offline
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Registered: 11/02/18
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Loc: Seattle, WA.
On the ACE there is no bevel box, belt, or sprocket, just a shaft drive and the back end of a Honda Goldwing; much better power transfer but a compromised right side seat due to the asymmetrical layout.

Look at the previous pic in this thread, of Pete Driving ACE#13, to see how charmed his passenger is with the accommodations.

Ironically the left side seat is then more spacious, and since I'm driving on the left, it seems like a great engineering compromise to me!

Here is a pic of the ACE's cockpit; the first owner built a 3" tall removeable box under the right side passenger seat to improve its width...



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#553779 - 14/01/19 01:55 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
Krod Offline
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Registered: 14/07/11
Posts: 835
Loc: Florida, USA
The minor "flaw" in design with the smaller passenger compartment is certainly a good trade-off in my department versus the M3W design flaws.

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#557041 - 31/01/19 08:40 PM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
Bunny Offline

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Registered: 15/03/14
Posts: 780
Loc: Leicestershire, UK
Just found this on the web. Photo taken at the Liberty Ace factory.

#RearEndEnvy
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#557555 - 03/02/19 12:31 AM Re: Liberty ACE prototype for sale @ hemmings [Re: kankeL]
3Gs Offline
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Registered: 11/02/18
Posts: 83
Loc: Seattle, WA.
Pete Larson's place is very nice, you could eat off the floor and cool that it's been in his family since 1925.

That's a great pic of the ACE's rear end and you can see the battery leads; battery is that Red Top Optima on the work bench and is mounted on a tray (not installed yet in this pic) just to the left the the training arm bolt you see.

Changing the rear tire is also a straight forward affair.

My M3W was there a while back and someone location-tagged the pics they took that are now on Google... Libery Motors Link


Edited by 3Gs (03/02/19 03:11 AM)

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