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#548338 - 16/12/18 12:28 PM New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-)
Bonesie Offline
Just Getting Started

Registered: 12/12/18
Posts: 40
Loc: Surrey
Hi Folks,

Im Carl, or Bones, Bonio or Bonesie as I have been known as forever. Im ex RAF and now running my own small one man band business. The misses is a school office manager. Originally from Leeds, we now live Nr Dorking in Surrey. Probably like most of you guys, Im really into engineering. I tinker about a lot making 'stuff' on my lathe etc in my small workshop.

Both myself and my wife have been long time admirers of Morgan cars but until now have not been in the position to purchase. We have tentatively looked around the cars over at Bell and Colvill in Horsley and chatted to the very helpful guy there.

However, we simply dont want to spend the cash on a new car and would rather buy a pre-loved example. So that brings me on to some usual questions you have probably all been asked beforehand, but Im a noob, so here I am.

I will break them down in bullet points !

We are looking for a 2 seater - four wheeler.

1) Can I get a decent car with a budget of 25k ? I understand the more you pay, usually the better car you get but 25k is my upper limit. ( probably :-)

2) Are there any models or years I should specifically avoid, for example if they had specific engine trouble with one model or whatever ?

3) While im not buying the car as an investment, I do believe Morgans will hold their value well if I chose the right car at the right price?

4) Any clubs in Surrey ? Any clubs worth joining that bring benefits, price off stuff, servicing etc ?

5) We know the car will not be super comfy and expect that. How are they on longer runs ! Me and treacle have romantic notions of B&B hopping through France etc Would that smash our backs to bits at journeys end ! flag

6) Q 5 brings me on to luggage space. I guess you guys that do long runs travel light right!

7) leg room and width room. Im 6Ft, will i struggle or is there enough leg room. Bum room, me and the wife are not racing snakes, hows the bum room !!


We are booked in for the factory tour in Feb so cant wait for that thumbs

Cheers folks. I look forward to hearing from you all

Bonsie

cheers



Edited by Bonesie (16/12/18 12:28 PM)
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#548340 - 16/12/18 12:40 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
Neilda Offline
Part of the Furniture

Registered: 26/04/12
Posts: 4347
Loc: Surrey. UK
Greetings... I sent you a PM as we are near neighbours.
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#548343 - 16/12/18 01:36 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
MOG 615 Offline
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Registered: 24/09/14
Posts: 1253
Loc: London
Welcome from the other side of London.

Lots of questions there, you will probably get a great variety of differing opinions from everyone here , and others in the Morgan fold.

1 You can certainly get a good car for £25k. I would encourage you to start narrowing down your choice to which model you want before going too much further. One piece of advice is not to buy "because its cheap" . Morgans are bought and sold on condition, much more than year or mileage.


2 I suspect you will be looking at the 4 cylinder cars initially. The +4 and 4/4 are both great. The more recent ones especially so. The 1.6 Ford Sigma engined 4/4 is a cracker and the 2.0 Ford Duratec engined +4 is a great all rounder. The secret is to try as many cars as you can , and only then will you know what you want.

3 Cars post 86 were treated with Cuprinol on the wood at build and are definitely longer lasting. Cars post 97/98 have the stainless steel valences and bulkhead, which is also well worthwhile. Please buy a Morgan to drive it , not as an investment, that said they do keep their value probably better than anything else out there currently, but only if well maintained and driven.

4 Join the MSCC and the Surrey Centre (HopMog) in particular , come along to their meetings and talk to other owners.

5 The ride can be improved with aftermarket kit from SSL, but try one first before going down that route . My wife and i cover more than 5000 miles every year just touring in our +8, and it is wind noise and the sun that bothers us more than the ride. It is never going to be "magic carpet" but it is not that bad either.

6 Luggage space is a perennial issue BUT there are solutions around , a luggage rack at the rear helps enormously as do custom made cases for the inside.

7 I have known 6' 6'' drivers fit in Morgans , admittedly with some adjustment, but it is possible. The seats are pretty comfy and will grip you well, just keep trying out different ones until you find one that suits.

8 I know you have spoken with Bell & Colvill , but there is another dealer close enough to you , BHM in Borough Green , Kent . They are really good people and will find something for you I am sure. They have a 4/4 at just above your budget and several others
http://www.morgan-cars.com.



Edited by MOG 615 (16/12/18 01:42 PM)
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#548345 - 16/12/18 02:04 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
Gallanach Offline

Just Getting Started

Registered: 21/07/10
Posts: 30
Loc: West Sussex
Welcome to the site, my own story may help you - I purchased a 4/4 about 10 years ago for about 20K used it as my every day car for 3 yrs and 30K miles then sold it for slightly more than I had paid for it. It was a short door car which my wife found rather cramped it was however very 'chuck-able' I looked after it myself which I enjoyed. Was Morgan less for a short while but the itch returned and I have purchased a 4.6 plus 8 long door
which is a very different car, the wife finds the extra room very useful and would be happy to travel long distances in it.
May I suggest you hire one to see if you both are comfortable and the luggage space is sufficient. Do get in touch if you want to have a chat we are near Billingshurst.

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#548346 - 16/12/18 02:07 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
rainbowj Offline

Has a lot to Say!

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 1262
Loc: Purton, nr Swindon UK
Bonesie, I bought my 1992 plus4 privately for £19,000 in 2013 (doesn't seem that long ago!) and I have made some upgrades. Goes well. If you buy privately check the bulkhead is not rusty. This is very expensive to replace and they were not stainless steel until late '90's.
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#548348 - 16/12/18 02:16 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
+8Rich Offline

Member of the Inner Circle

Registered: 15/12/09
Posts: 18473
Loc: UK
Welcome to TM and most importantly enjoy choosing your Morgan, try a few as suggested and best to go for the top end of your budget. It's a good time of year to be buying too, it's worth letting a couple of local dealers know exactly what you are in the market for they often know when their customers are about to change theirs. BHM in your area are a marvellous fair dealer.

Neilda is local and is on his 2nd one now and will be a great help, he doesn't wear the rose tinted spectacles but loves his Morganing.

If you are a club person join the MSCC where advise and knowledge is also available.


This is a good site for general model information and technical knowledge on most models. Morgans
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#548350 - 16/12/18 02:33 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
Paul F Offline

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Registered: 20/08/10
Posts: 2117
Loc: Costock, South Nottinghamshire...
Welcome to TM. Some good advice already above. We paid £13k for our first 4/4 in 2003 and traded it in for more than that in Dec-13. You will certainly get a good car for your budget but - in your price range - good cars do sell quickly. The advice re letting dealers know what you want is particularly good - some of them keep a list of people looking for certain cars and the cars can get sold before they appear on a web site. Our old car sold in 2 weeks - with Christmas in the middle of that 2 weeks - by the dealer we p-ex’d it with.

Re comfort - we get a bit stiff if we try and do much more than 300 miles in a day but then that is true regardless of the car we are in. We regularly exceed 2000 miles in a holiday through mainland Europe in our 4/4. Motorways are not the best places to be in a Morgan - but we can comfortably cover lots of miles on them if forced. The by-roads of France and Germany are great and we try to spend most of our time away from the motorways.

Good luck with your quest - you may need to travel to find the right car - or to enable the right car to find you. The MMC web site has a car finder which can be quite helpful.
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#548359 - 16/12/18 03:02 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
John V6 Offline

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Registered: 21/07/07
Posts: 12634
Loc: Suffolk
Get cases from Hills alive luggage. They swallow stuff & even my wife finds she can pack for 2 weeks if we have a case on the back also.

25k should find you a decent car.
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#548364 - 16/12/18 03:20 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
Bonesie Offline
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Registered: 12/12/18
Posts: 40
Loc: Surrey
Cheers guys, some great advice I will certainly act on.
I think thats great advice for me to chat to the dealer, and to hire one first.

Ive had a little sniff around some sites as well as a well known auction site. I dont know what the mods are like for people posting links, but there appears to be something like I'd be after FS at 25k, 2005, black, long door, duratec engine etc.

So folks, do you guys do tinkering yourself ? Ive had a couple of MGB GTs and XJS's in the past so Im well used to a bit of spannering ! though certainly no expert. Apart from the obvious , the running gear is pretty simple, right ?

Bonsie
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#548368 - 16/12/18 03:52 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
+8Rich Offline

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Registered: 15/12/09
Posts: 18473
Loc: UK
Originally Posted By Bonesie
Cheers guys, some great advice I will certainly act on.
I think thats great advice for me to chat to the dealer, and to hire one first.

Ive had a little sniff around some sites as well as a well known auction site. I dont know what the mods are like for people posting links, but there appears to be something like I'd be after FS at 25k, 2005, black, long door, duratec engine etc.

So folks, do you guys do tinkering yourself ? Ive had a couple of MGB GTs and XJS's in the past so Im well used to a bit of spannering ! though certainly no expert. Apart from the obvious , the running gear is pretty simple, right ?

Bonsie



The management are happy with links Bonsie so fire away, other than blatant product placement.

As far as spannering goes around half are happy doing their own, I enjoy it but it's not for everyone. They are very basic cars on an engineering level as you say, it's only the ECU area and associated sensors misbehaving that makes it frustrating. The OBD2 socket is your friend combined with a dongle and an iPhone I have learnt on here. Up to now I have not needed to interrogate any of mine so haven't invested in one. Neilda has one I know and will be able to explain properly unlike me.

Arwyn and Button have many years experience on lots of Morgan's and are happy to share their knowledge thankfully for the rest of us thumbs .
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#548383 - 16/12/18 05:19 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
PhilRoyle Offline

Talk Morgan Enthusiast

Registered: 30/08/11
Posts: 1677
Loc: Derby
As others have said - join the MSCC with the monthly club mag Miscellany, you will find dealers & private ads therein. Also it will give you access to local centres.
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#548390 - 16/12/18 06:16 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
Jack The Lad Offline
Posting Desperado
Talk Morgan Guru

Registered: 12/04/11
Posts: 7593
Loc: The frozen North
It may sound crazy but the car picks you . Get yourself about try many even if you have to shoot away and have a few B&B's its worth it. a narrow body 4/4 with a 2L engine is great fun as it has chuckability . So try them out . There is a mog club you can contact Hop Mog Centre Sec. Paul Knight

07753 744647 . So give him a call and get yourselves along to a meeting they will tell you everything you wish to know and more .

Good Luck drive Brands Hatch Morgans on your door step go and ask if you can drive one or they take you out for a spin PHIL or KEITH nice lads .


Edited by Jack The Lad (16/12/18 06:20 PM)

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#548399 - 16/12/18 07:22 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
sospan Offline
Charter Member

Registered: 31/05/10
Posts: 5816
Loc: Llanelli
Welcome from West Wales.
Don’t worry too much about owning a Morgan. You grow into it....the bug bites.
Go and test drive some.
When (you will, you know that..) you get one you will easily adapt.
Make sure your other half/Satnav/smiling passenger gets a good new wardrobe of weatherproof suitable clothes. Wind/rain/cold. Warm weather options too.She will enjoy the shopping opportunity.
Go to your local club noggins.
Condition of the car is the key. Properly looked after by an enthusiast or garage ( dealer or good mechanic) and you won’t go wrong.
Above all use the car. Miles = smiles.
Just to add....be prepared for people asking about the car, photographing it, it can add time to a run out!


Edited by sospan (16/12/18 07:24 PM)
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#548400 - 16/12/18 07:42 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
Craig Jezz Offline

Talk Morgan Regular

Registered: 27/03/17
Posts: 722
Loc: Oxon
Hi Bonsie

This 4/4 Zetec looks tidy, in your upper price range though, it’s not far from me either.



https://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/dealer/ri...reen-zetc-2001/
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Morgan 4/4 Sports Sand (Williams & Wolf Tuned)
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#548405 - 16/12/18 08:17 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
IvorMog Offline

Talk Morgan Regular

Registered: 17/04/17
Posts: 673
Loc: Staffordshire
Hi Bonsie,

What you're looking for is exactly the parameters I set myself with the plan that as time and inclination allowed I would enjoy upgrading as an engineering project.

For £25,000 you can easily get started and I would really look at the Zetec engined 4/4.

You can get a +4 for that money but it will be an older model and crucially IMHO you want to go for a post 98 model car which has long doors and the stainless steel scuttle and inner wings. The steering also changed from steering box to rack and pinion about this time so ask that question as well.

By the way, Morgan model years are a bit nebulous at times so ask the questions about the spec and don't just assume that a particular model year has XYZ specification.

Sure the 4/4 is a bit down on power compared to the +4 but you can easily bring the Zetec up to and beyond that power level with some tuning mods and then you will know it's your car.

I started with the suspension, then replaced the ECU so I don't have worries in that area and it allows further tuning.

BTW cars around this era may not have OBD2 or EOBD, I think 2001 was the beginning in Europe but Morgan can sometimes lag a bit. So again, if that's important for you, ASK.

I've just finished gas flowing the head and fitted new camshafts.

My enjoyment is developing the car and the 4/4 Zetec long door with all the stainless steel is a great place to start if you have a sub £25,000 budget.

As I've said on here before, it depends what you want to do with the car.

There is also a very good book written by a TM contributor called Dave Wellings. Title, Buying and Maintaining a Modern Traditional Morgan.

He's probably a bit too shy to plug his own book.





Edited by IvorMog (16/12/18 08:39 PM)
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#548409 - 16/12/18 08:39 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
+8Rich Offline

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Registered: 15/12/09
Posts: 18473
Loc: UK

I meant to say there is a great buyers guide in exactly what to look for from a dealers perspective from Alon Whites in the back of Morgan Four Owners Workshop and Manual, if you don't want to buy one get it out of the library ISBN 11-855-20656-0 it's a good read and covers from 1936 - 1981 not much changes with Morgan's.

Morgan Four book
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#548422 - 16/12/18 10:01 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
DirkM Offline
Learner Plates Off!

Registered: 31/07/16
Posts: 298
Loc: Begijnendijk, Belgium
Welcome from Belgium.

In August 2015 we bought our 1993 +4 T16 with 46k miles at Brands Hatch Morgans. It was offered at £ 19,500 but we got it for £ 16,000 because it was in need of a bit of TLC. Up till now I've changed the rear shock absorbers, installed sun visors, a Librands manifold and a wind deflector and changed the leather steering wheel to a wooden one.
BTW I am 6Ft3 and have no problem in the %organ.

I'm sure you will find the Morgan of your dreams (We did!).
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#548430 - 16/12/18 11:15 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
Nickplus4 Offline
Learner Plates Off!

Registered: 03/10/16
Posts: 347
Welcome!

On number 5, we've taken our Plus 4, which has standard suspension, down to Angouleme twice now. And ok it's not as comfy as the volvo, but it was perfectly doable, and you get the bonus of the French folk going mad over it! It is certainly lots more comfortable than both my mates' lotus elise and TR4a.

My better half does find the seat a bit narrow... cushions help and she is now trying an inflatable lumbar support to see if that is a more elegant solution.

Nick

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#548484 - 17/12/18 03:09 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Craig Jezz]
Bonesie Offline
Just Getting Started

Registered: 12/12/18
Posts: 40
Loc: Surrey
Originally Posted By Craig Jezz
Hi Bonsie

This 4/4 Zetec looks tidy, in your upper price range though, it’s not far from me either.



https://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/dealer/ri...reen-zetc-2001/



Oooh thats rather nice :-)
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#548486 - 17/12/18 03:14 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
Bonesie Offline
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Registered: 12/12/18
Posts: 40
Loc: Surrey
Some great stuff here, thanks folks.
I will have a whizz down to Brands hatch Morgan early in the new year.

What do people find dealers add on with compared to a private seller, 2, 3 k ? Its more reassuring to buy from a dealer I guess but generally do dealer cars come with 6 month warranty etc much like a 'normal' dealers ? or is this an add on. I suppose it depend on age and price etc.
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#548487 - 17/12/18 03:15 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
+8Rich Offline

Member of the Inner Circle

Registered: 15/12/09
Posts: 18473
Loc: UK
I bought my 1st Plus 8 from Richard Thorne and he was very pleasant to deal with and the car had no issues at all.
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#549022 - 19/12/18 10:09 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
andymot Offline

Talk Morgan Regular

Registered: 11/09/14
Posts: 721
Loc: East Sussex, ENGLAND
Phil @ Allon white told me once that some cars they buy in from private sellers, often described as being in good condition, actually need quite a bit of fettling/rectification to get them upto standard.


Nowt wrong with a private deal but i'd have a chat to a decent dealer - mentioned already but BHM often have good cars within the price range and they get sold before they go-on the web in some cases.

Personally I have found both BHM and Allon white to be decent, honest, enthusiast run dealers who will look after you. This has been confirmed by other Morgan owners I have spoken to - I have never heard a bad word against them.

A bit like finding a car that suits you - best to do that with a dealer as well - they are not all the same!


Edited by andymot (19/12/18 10:10 PM)
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#549115 - 20/12/18 01:40 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: andymot]
Paul F Offline

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Registered: 20/08/10
Posts: 2117
Loc: Costock, South Nottinghamshire...
Originally Posted By andymot
Phil @ Allon white told me once that some cars they buy in from private sellers, often described as being in good condition, actually need quite a bit of fettling/rectification to get them upto standard.


That is true. They took our old 4/4 in on part-ex. It was coming up to 29 years old at the time and we thought it was very good mechanically but needed some minor fettling cosmetically - which we made Phil aware of before he saw the car. When we picked up the new car, Phil told me that, on getting our old car on the ramps, they had found a rear wheel bearing that was badly worn as well as a carburettor fault. Both were fixed with new parts before they sold the car because, in Phil’s words “We want all the cars to go out and not to come back under warranty.”
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#549168 - 20/12/18 04:59 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
TBM Offline
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Registered: 06/11/18
Posts: 149
Loc: Northants, UK
I'm in the initial throws of ownership, having bought my 72 4/4 at the start of December.

Very pleased I got it from a dealer, as it's had over £700 worth of work done under warranty (dealer prices mind) since I bought her (not really surprising as I've done more mileage in the last three weeks than she'd done in the previous 5 years).

With such an expensive purchase I wanted to have the confidence that everything worked, or would be fixed by someone who really knew what they were doing.

Once the warranty lapses I will probably do most of the work/servicing myself.
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#549180 - 20/12/18 06:04 PM Re: New guy from Surrey saying hello and advice ! :-) [Re: Bonesie]
Bonesie Offline
Just Getting Started

Registered: 12/12/18
Posts: 40
Loc: Surrey
Cheers guys

Much as I would love to save a few quid buying private I think I would go the dealer rout too.

Basic running gear is easy to assess, its the eccentricities of the chassis and body that I would like to have covered :-)

I will be paying both BHM and my local dealer Bell & Colvill a visit in the new year.... Ive just got to get through xmas and new year before I can go have a chat and a gander :-(

Bones


Edited by Bonesie (20/12/18 06:04 PM)
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