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#548431 - 16/12/18 11:24 PM Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM
MJW Offline
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Registered: 08/11/16
Posts: 6
Loc: Southport Merseyside UK
Hi Guys, I have been reading with interest your comments, advice and banter for some time, but this is my first attempt at asking a question. Sorry if it has been asked before as I cannot quite understand how to use the forum yet...not very IT savvy!!.
My rev counter has suddenly decided to read about double the actual engine RPM. Does anyone have any ideas why this may be?
I am assuming that the feed for the RPM comes from the coil.
I have a 1997 Plus eight 4.6
Thanks Martin

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#548433 - 16/12/18 11:41 PM Re: Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM [Re: MJW]
+8Rich Offline

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Hi Martin and welcome to TM I don't know what would cause that but to help you find it is a link to the gomog site with the Plus 8 wiring diagrams. The impulse feed is White with a black tracer on the cable well worth checking these connections end to end I would have thought. Plus 8 Electrical

Someone will have seen it before and hopefully come along soon.

p.s. You are better of in future posting technical stuff in the Servicing and Maintenance section as the Malvern Arms is for very general stuff and can be ignored quite often so your query may get missed.
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#548435 - 16/12/18 11:53 PM Re: Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM [Re: +8Rich]
MJW Offline
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Thankyou kindly. +8Rich, very helpfull. Ill check it out after I have finished replacing the rear wheel bearings and seals. Good fun job!!
I just realised I got the wrong Forum. I am new to this type of communication, will do better next time.

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#548436 - 16/12/18 11:57 PM Re: Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM [Re: MJW]
+8Rich Offline

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Sounds like you have got your hands full for the time being Martin, my Rev counter was intermittent and it was the Lucar connector in the engine bay. You probably have the only 4.6 that revs to 8,000rpm at the moment..
Good luck.


Edited by +8Rich (16/12/18 11:58 PM)
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#548465 - 17/12/18 10:08 AM Re: Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM [Re: MJW]
howard Offline
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The feed to the rev counter is a pulse electical signal. On some rev counters there is software to allow you to change from 4 to 6 to 8 cylinders and that can become upset if, for example, the car is stood for a long time and settings memory is lost. But more likely its vibration making the signal even more intermittent and therefor higher reading. In that case its likely the rev reading would jump about a bit.

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#548587 - 17/12/18 10:57 PM Re: Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM [Re: howard]
MJW Offline
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Thanks Howard, I will check both ideas. The RPM is very stable at double the RPM, so I am guessing it thinks its a 4 cyl engine! I am busy with the rear axle at present but will gladly advise my findings.

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#548590 - 17/12/18 11:05 PM Re: Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM [Re: MJW]
Craig Jezz Offline

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My 4/4 did this, I was told on here to leave the ignition lights on for at least 10 seconds before turning the engine over. Problem solved for me, but a 1997 Plus 8 might be different.


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#548604 - 18/12/18 12:28 AM Re: Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM [Re: MJW]
MJW Offline
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Registered: 08/11/16
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Loc: Southport Merseyside UK
Craig, now that sounds very interesting. Ill try it thanks

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#548665 - 18/12/18 12:09 PM Re: Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM [Re: MJW]
sospan Offline
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Delaying starting while ECU boots up is a good idea. It allows the program to go through its checks etc and initialise fully.
I tend to do that (but not always) in any car with ecu. My thoughts are that no external signals will come from the engine sensors during boot up and possibly cause a glitch when picked up.
Maybe not critical in a newer car but an older one may not have the software to cope with it.
Worth trying anyway.
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#548705 - 18/12/18 03:05 PM Re: Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM [Re: MJW]
Dave Turner Offline
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Registered: 15/10/12
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Loc: Calgary Alberta Canada
Martin , I also have a 97 4.6 liter .
Last year I changed the ignition coil for a pertronix coil to match the pertronix distributor. Car ran great but the tach read 1/2 engine speed , no amount of checking wiring and even running separate wires from coil to tach would change things so I changed the dip switches which you will find on the back of the tach to the 4 cyl setting and my tach is now ( approximately) correct ?
Made no sence at all .
Perhaps pop the tach out and move the switches around the clean the contacts ?
BTW if anyone has a used tach for sale I would be interested 😊
Cheers Dave

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#548707 - 18/12/18 03:19 PM Re: Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM [Re: MJW]
+8Rich Offline

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That's one to watch out for Dave, good information.

Tcherek had a whole rake of instruments for sale on her site last week.
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#548708 - 18/12/18 03:25 PM Re: Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM [Re: MJW]
Dave Turner Offline
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Registered: 15/10/12
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Loc: Calgary Alberta Canada
Where do I find this site of Tcherek ?

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#548709 - 18/12/18 03:29 PM Re: Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM [Re: MJW]
+8Rich Offline

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It's a facebook site but if you contact her on ISIS Imports or norcal_moggirl on here it'll work.
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#549720 - 22/12/18 11:41 PM Re: Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM [Re: MJW]
MJW Offline
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Registered: 08/11/16
Posts: 6
Loc: Southport Merseyside UK
Hi Guys, I just finished the fun task of renewing the rear axle wheel bearings and oil seals, and had the usual fun trying to remember how to put the brake shoes back.
Anyway, I tried the 10 second ignition on, but sadly no improvement with the high RPM reading on the Tacho.
Will take the tacho out soon and try the dip switch trick.
Cannot find anything wrong with the connectors.
Thanks kindly for all the advice.

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#552478 - 07/01/19 11:32 PM Re: Plus eight Rev Counter reading double RPM [Re: MJW]
MJW Offline
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Registered: 08/11/16
Posts: 6
Loc: Southport Merseyside UK
Hi Guys, having replaced the rear wheel shaft bearings and hub seals, then noticing that the hand brake cable was corroded, then finding that both rear hydraulic brake cylinders were seized, I finally got round to looking at the RPM problem.
Couldnt find any faults with the cables or connections.
I removed the Tacho and "worked" the Dip switches back and forth with some elecrical cleaner and lubricant.
Guess what, works a dream now. Happy me!!
Thanks kindly to all that assisted me in this odd fault.
PS, now converting the dash to stainless steel toggle switches with chrome bezels on the instruments. Also fitting LED illumination to the instrumentation, complete with lots of diodes and an LED Dimmer unit. Looks good.

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