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#549571 - 22/12/18 11:57 AM Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: OZ 4/4]
madmax Offline
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Registered: 18/08/14
Posts: 4586
Loc: East Anglia
Originally Posted By OZ 4/4
Originally Posted By ChrisConvertible
Hi Everyone,

I joined mainly to be able to read posts with all the pictures.

I have just turned 55 and for the last 35 years thought I would be buying a Morgan at this age, now the time has come I am trying to work out if that is still really what I want to do. I retired from work in October as I get a much better pension leaving at 55 than working any later as I would be transferred into a different scheme for people over 55.

I thought it would be easy to return to work to fund a Morgan however they just had to lay 300 people off, my boss is confident he can get me back mid next year once the budget sorts itself out. So potentially I could afford to order a new Morgan Plus 4 say mid 2020 next year as I would have both my pension and an income to help save up, I am just trying to decide should I.

I currently own a Nissan Silvia convertible that is very rare, about 500 made in 1988 and not a lot left in the world, it is a lot of fun to drive but not worth much money and while it luckily uses a lot of parts in common with other Nissans it is impossible to get parts for like the rubbers seals around the windows if I wanted to properly restore it.

The week I resigned I went to the Australian Morgan Muster to see the cars and try make up my mind if I now still want one, but I left more confused than before. I had a fair few people tell me they have had heaps of issues with their cars and they would think twice before buying another one, but then many other people telling me I should definitely get one as they are so much fun. A few people said they thought my car looked more interesting and is probably a lot rarer than a Morgan so as long as I enjoy driving it they would recommend sticking with what I have. The people who said my car is rarer would be right, there would have been more Morgan's in the carpark that day than Nissan Silvia convertibles left in the world. Over the weekend I did about 800km's on some great roads and I had so much fun in my car I think it would be hard for another car to be a lot better as far as fun is concerned. The main things I did learn was,

1, Overall I think the newer ones look nicer which I think is due to the body being slightly lower, slightly wider and longer.
2 The various options are stupidly expensive for what they are but if you buy the basic car you will probably be pretty disappointed later on as the options are what makes the car unique.
3 I had a ride as a passenger in a 1980 V8, a restored one from 1952 and sat in a GDI demonstrator and none were really comfortable but the GDI +4 was a lot better.
6, Quality control seems pretty terrible and Morgan don’t seem to help much for after sales issues, but if you are reasonably handy then they are pretty simple cars and you can fix most issues yourself.
7, They do dent pretty easy, one guy with a nearly new one said he only went to a shopping centre once and he got a small dent when he dropped a shopping bag on it from not much height at all. So really just a weekend toy to take out for a country drive.

I have a couple of Morgan books including "Making a Morgan" that seems to imply the cars are made with a lot of love, and "Buying and Maintaining a modern Morgan" by David Welling that has lots of improvements owners can do, which sort if implies the factory could do things a lot better, which seemed to be confirmed when I went to the Morgan Muster.

Before the Silvia convertible i owned a Honda S600 then a Mazda MX5 (Miata) and would say my greatest joy is a driving a convertible on a windy road doing a perfectly executed down change when I match the revs perfectly. Initially one main reason I wanted a Morgan as I thought it would be a manual convertible that is perfect rather than the Honda S600 that I spent more time fixing than driving.

I have a few options and trying to decide between them.

1, Keep my Silvia that is fun and owes me nothing. Then I can either enjoy early retirement and not return to work at all, or the extra money I earn returning to work can be used for other things like good holidays.
2, Buy a MGB as I have always like the look of them, they seem good value for a classic car with lots of specialist repair places and heaps of spare parts available.
3, Order a new Morgan Plus 4 as per my dream of 35 years.
4, Build a Suffolk SS100 - more expensive than a Morgan but not a lot more in Australia as the donor cars are so cheap. I liked the SS100 and one of those would be pretty interesting as well.

Part of my issue is my wife doesn't like my Silvia and doesn't really like being in a sports car at all, so unlike most of you I would not do a lot of travelling in it as a couple, just probably going for drives on my own.

None of my family are into cars and all think I am crazy for even thinking about spending lots of money on a new car now when they are all going to be electric in a few years. I don't think so but we are being told all the time the rest of the world is electric and so will Australia in a year or two.

My wife is planning to retire in 2020 and does want to travel so as long as I don't make her spend the whole holiday at the factory she would be OK with that. So around 2020 or 2021 could be a good time for me to make a purchase and visit the factory while the car is being made.

But there area few things I am confused about
1, The anniversary model is for 2019 and I would save about $10,000, what is Morgan going to do with the Plus 4 in 2020 - just put the price back up?
2, What is this Wide body model I have read about? It seems like a new chassis to replace either the Aero 8 but somewhere I read suggested it might be used on the classic models? If so does that mean a complete redesign of the classic models and a huge price increase or they just get a bit wider and that could be a really good thing as it would be easier for my potential passengers to fit in the car.

I have read on another forum that Morgan are more interested in the Aero style as it makes them a lot more money and are probably going to drop the classic model after 2019. However looking at the productions figures the 3 wheeler is selling the most with the 4/4 the next best selling car by a big margin. I think the 4/4 is being discontinued due to the engine not passing emissions tests in which case surely the +4 would probably sell more being the closest in both style and price. Any thoughts on the classics being dropped a year before I think I could get one?

Thanks
Chris


Chris, I was at the Muster, sorry I missed you. If you really want a Morgan a good well sorted second hand one is definitely the way to go in my view.

Think long and hard before you spend a lot of money for a lot of grief on a new one - that's my experience.




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#549579 - 22/12/18 12:37 PM Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: ChrisConvertible]
Chester.G Offline
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Registered: 31/08/16
Posts: 378
Loc: Cork
Originally Posted By ChrisConvertible
Then use a company called Finch Restorations ( http://finchrestorations.com.au/products/ss100-jaguar ) to build the chassis etc. They said about half of their cars have been totally built by them and about half by owners themselves using period parts from a donor with Finch building a lot of the parts. They also told me that their cars are registered using the pre 1949 Hot Rod regulations that are standard across the country, so much easier if you decide to move, or sell the car interstate.


Finch have an excellent reputation, they made several cars witch be send out oversea. Concerning the Morgan it's already my 3 one, for all i spend time to fix the options and colours i want (no so much the price) and with patience i get exactly the car i want, as i am a kind of carpet seller i always buy with "safe Spec's" swmbo always said i am always waiting the day you sold me doh , so in all cars i avoid fancy colours and if i made mods i made mods witch will be attractive and valuable for the next owner

But everyone is entitled on is own opinion


Edited by Chester.G (22/12/18 12:38 PM)

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#549589 - 22/12/18 01:38 PM Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: ChrisConvertible]
Paul F Offline

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Registered: 20/08/10
Posts: 2366
Loc: Costock, South Nottinghamshire...
The only problems we have had with our 2014 car from new were:

1) A crack in a front wing where a change in the fixing of the headlamp nacelle had proven to be less than robust - fixed under warranty including the wing that had yet to show a problem. The factory has since changed the fixing back to something more robust.
2) Sagging rear springs. Since Morgan now use the same supplier as the after market people I went to for replacements, I cannot see that one recurring.

Quality has definitely improved over the years. Here in the UK, we have the advantage that we can return our cars to the factory for warranty work if needed.

From reading your posts, I would say that the advice you have been given is correct - try a few more cars and if they don’t “grab” you, then go elsewhere.

Something that we considered when buying our first Morgan in 2003 was the nature of the local club - it is very “Wife Friendly” - if your better half enjoys the social side of the club, then other issues may be reduced.
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#549635 - 22/12/18 04:41 PM Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: ChrisConvertible]
lowebird Offline
Talk Morgan Addict

Registered: 11/01/11
Posts: 3490
Loc: norfolk, UK
Chris,

I think you have had loads of good advice from other TMer's so I can only add that I have had 3 new Morgans and they have been no more or less reliable than any other new car. Yes, you have to take care of them and how you use them but that's part of the joy and having spent somewhere around £50K, you would want to look after it wouldn't you, not drop shopping bags on it for instance.
I have also had an SS100 ( with another one in build ) and they are certainly a lot rarer than a Morgan with approx. 350 built over the last 26 years so a very bespoke car.
If you can get to see a copy of the December issue of the JEC ( Jaguar Club ) there is a nice SS100 for sale in NZ which would be a lot closer for you than getting one from the UK and it may well conform to Aussie regs.
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#549693 - 22/12/18 08:40 PM Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: ChrisConvertible]
OZ 4/4 Offline

Talk Morgan Expert

Registered: 25/11/11
Posts: 2668
Loc: Australia - NSW Mid North Coas...
Originally Posted By ChrisConvertible
Hi Guys,

Lots of excellent replies. I have been keeping an eye out on the used market but in Australia I generally only see cars from the 1970's and 1980's come up.

I know second hand cars can be imported but I went though that process with the Silvia and it is not easy at all, plus I think the current legislation only allow Morgans made before 1989 to be imported.

I have done a reasonable amount of work on cars over the years. I do enjoy using spanners and improving things so from that point of view I would probably enjoy the process of improving the car to my style. Also as Richard said often aftermarket is cheaper than specifying the same on a new build, I have noticed heated seats here are a lot cheaper to retrofit than getting Morgan to fit the heater while the seat is being made and they do both the seat and back rest. Also to upgrade to Stainless Steel wires is a $3900 option but I could buy the same wheels from the MWS dealer here for under $600 each, i.e. buy all 5 for less and keep the silver painted wheels that come on the car as spares or try sell them?

Chris


Yep, a bit like the K&N air filter for the 4/4 offered on the local Dealers web site - an absolute snap at A$340.00 + delivery. Purchased mine on line and delivered to the front door for about A$70.00. Most of the membership did the same....
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#549713 - 22/12/18 11:08 PM Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: ChrisConvertible]
Alistair Offline
Smile, it confuses them
Charter Member

Registered: 18/03/09
Posts: 5898
Loc: Hampshire
In most cases once you have bought into Morgan it is rare to leave unless you have a really rotten experience. It happens with all marks sometimes.

My wife loves our Morgans and contributed to them. It is not a brash sports car and I pedal lightly when she is with me. All of the people looking at you and smiling makes you happy as well. You could get a degree of this with the MGB and others but a Morgan is different.

I would look for an older car with a huge pile of documentation. I would probably uprate the suspension, new bushes on moving items and cleaned up. Spend a couple of thousand getting it seriously fettled. Now you have a car with provence that will keeps it value (they do this well) and will always run well.

Don't underestimate the value of the resources here on the forum and among the other Morgan owners in your region. It has been the most helpful group of people I have ever comes across around cars. Some of the books written by people on here save a lot of time.

As for buying new, I hate paying tax.
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#565535 - 12/03/19 01:31 AM Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: ChrisConvertible]
ChrisConvertible Offline
Just Getting Started

Registered: 09/12/18
Posts: 33
Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all the wonderful replies. I was chatting to my wife over Christmas about ordering a +4 110 model and she kept changing the subject to an investment property for my son and girlfriend to live in which seemed odd as we had agreed in the past investment properties can be a pain and to not bother. Anyway when I kept saying why she said just stop thinking about cars until after dinner. Then my son and girlfriend came over and told me that we are going to be grand parents. smile

So my fun car funds have now been used as a house deposit frown But with the new models from Geneva it appears there is more to dream about in the future.

However more seriously I agree with all the comments that buying second hand is the way to go.

Thanks
Chris

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#565547 - 12/03/19 06:16 AM Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: ChrisConvertible]
ewn Offline

Has a lot to Say!

Registered: 10/04/16
Posts: 1208
Loc: NE Scotland
Don’t be disappointed, Chris, you’ll have moe fun with your inbound grandchild and plenty to fettle with in your new property. I’d be a apprehensive about buying a car too on retirement, it’s an easier decision when an income can return the spent savings.
Enjoy the car you have, and if it’s meant to be, an opportunity will present itself in the future to on a Morgan.

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