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Trying to decide whether to become a member #549488
21/12/18 11:25 PM
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Hi Everyone,

I joined mainly to be able to read posts with all the pictures.

I have just turned 55 and for the last 35 years thought I would be buying a Morgan at this age, now the time has come I am trying to work out if that is still really what I want to do. I retired from work in October as I get a much better pension leaving at 55 than working any later as I would be transferred into a different scheme for people over 55.

I thought it would be easy to return to work to fund a Morgan however they just had to lay 300 people off, my boss is confident he can get me back mid next year once the budget sorts itself out. So potentially I could afford to order a new Morgan Plus 4 say mid 2020 next year as I would have both my pension and an income to help save up, I am just trying to decide should I.

I currently own a Nissan Silvia convertible that is very rare, about 500 made in 1988 and not a lot left in the world, it is a lot of fun to drive but not worth much money and while it luckily uses a lot of parts in common with other Nissans it is impossible to get parts for like the rubbers seals around the windows if I wanted to properly restore it.

The week I resigned I went to the Australian Morgan Muster to see the cars and try make up my mind if I now still want one, but I left more confused than before. I had a fair few people tell me they have had heaps of issues with their cars and they would think twice before buying another one, but then many other people telling me I should definitely get one as they are so much fun. A few people said they thought my car looked more interesting and is probably a lot rarer than a Morgan so as long as I enjoy driving it they would recommend sticking with what I have. The people who said my car is rarer would be right, there would have been more Morgan's in the carpark that day than Nissan Silvia convertibles left in the world. Over the weekend I did about 800km's on some great roads and I had so much fun in my car I think it would be hard for another car to be a lot better as far as fun is concerned. The main things I did learn was,

1, Overall I think the newer ones look nicer which I think is due to the body being slightly lower, slightly wider and longer.
2 The various options are stupidly expensive for what they are but if you buy the basic car you will probably be pretty disappointed later on as the options are what makes the car unique.
3 I had a ride as a passenger in a 1980 V8, a restored one from 1952 and sat in a GDI demonstrator and none were really comfortable but the GDI +4 was a lot better.
6, Quality control seems pretty terrible and Morgan don’t seem to help much for after sales issues, but if you are reasonably handy then they are pretty simple cars and you can fix most issues yourself.
7, They do dent pretty easy, one guy with a nearly new one said he only went to a shopping centre once and he got a small dent when he dropped a shopping bag on it from not much height at all. So really just a weekend toy to take out for a country drive.

I have a couple of Morgan books including "Making a Morgan" that seems to imply the cars are made with a lot of love, and "Buying and Maintaining a modern Morgan" by David Welling that has lots of improvements owners can do, which sort if implies the factory could do things a lot better, which seemed to be confirmed when I went to the Morgan Muster.

Before the Silvia convertible i owned a Honda S600 then a Mazda MX5 (Miata) and would say my greatest joy is a driving a convertible on a windy road doing a perfectly executed down change when I match the revs perfectly. Initially one main reason I wanted a Morgan as I thought it would be a manual convertible that is perfect rather than the Honda S600 that I spent more time fixing than driving.

I have a few options and trying to decide between them.

1, Keep my Silvia that is fun and owes me nothing. Then I can either enjoy early retirement and not return to work at all, or the extra money I earn returning to work can be used for other things like good holidays.
2, Buy a MGB as I have always like the look of them, they seem good value for a classic car with lots of specialist repair places and heaps of spare parts available.
3, Order a new Morgan Plus 4 as per my dream of 35 years.
4, Build a Suffolk SS100 - more expensive than a Morgan but not a lot more in Australia as the donor cars are so cheap. I liked the SS100 and one of those would be pretty interesting as well.

Part of my issue is my wife doesn't like my Silvia and doesn't really like being in a sports car at all, so unlike most of you I would not do a lot of travelling in it as a couple, just probably going for drives on my own.

None of my family are into cars and all think I am crazy for even thinking about spending lots of money on a new car now when they are all going to be electric in a few years. I don't think so but we are being told all the time the rest of the world is electric and so will Australia in a year or two.

My wife is planning to retire in 2020 and does want to travel so as long as I don't make her spend the whole holiday at the factory she would be OK with that. So around 2020 or 2021 could be a good time for me to make a purchase and visit the factory while the car is being made.

But there area few things I am confused about
1, The anniversary model is for 2019 and I would save about $10,000, what is Morgan going to do with the Plus 4 in 2020 - just put the price back up?
2, What is this Wide body model I have read about? It seems like a new chassis to replace either the Aero 8 but somewhere I read suggested it might be used on the classic models? If so does that mean a complete redesign of the classic models and a huge price increase or they just get a bit wider and that could be a really good thing as it would be easier for my potential passengers to fit in the car.

I have read on another forum that Morgan are more interested in the Aero style as it makes them a lot more money and are probably going to drop the classic model after 2019. However looking at the productions figures the 3 wheeler is selling the most with the 4/4 the next best selling car by a big margin. I think the 4/4 is being discontinued due to the engine not passing emissions tests in which case surely the +4 would probably sell more being the closest in both style and price. Any thoughts on the classics being dropped a year before I think I could get one?

Thanks
Chris

Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: ChrisConvertible] #549493
22/12/18 12:18 AM
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Hello Chris & welcome..

If only we could look into the future, eh..?

1. In recent years the factory have announced price hikes annually around Spring time, so the Anniversary Deal sounds good..

2. The Wide body was introduced around the Millennium or a shade earlier I believe, and all body tubs are now standardised in size regardless of engine, the differing overall widths being down to wheel offsets and tyre sizes.

In truth, the factory have announced nothing publicly save for the fact that the UK market will have the Sigma 1600 engine fitment paused due to non compliance with legislation. The car is still thought to be continued for overseas markets.

Popular opinion has it that an alloy chassis car will be revealed at the Geneva 2019 show.

Everything else is just conjecture, so talk to a dealer or two for the official lines.

Whether you should wait to buy or not is down to you, but what I will say is follow your heart because tomorrow may never come.. Life is like that.

Good hunting..!


Steve
Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: ChrisConvertible] #549498
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Heaps of trouble with the new cars. Well yes, but what I did not understand 7 years ago was that is “in part” of what owning a Morgan is all about. They are a hobby. Wielding the spanners and sorting the car out to your satisfaction is great fun or even getting a dealer to do the work for you gives a great sense of achievement. Each car becomes an individual masterpiece.
Her in doors also does not like the car. Hair do the ride etc but not a bad thing as it gives me time on my own doing “my thing”.
They are not like buying a new car eg Porsche. Do not expect the 1937 tech to be.


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Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: ChrisConvertible] #549499
22/12/18 01:00 AM
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IcePack is bang on the money and like him my wife doesn't care for the Plus 8 she is a VW GTI girl and that's it. Which is good as we both have diverse interests which keeps the marriage healthy and gives me lots of rapid trips and outings without the satnag.
I have had 2 Plus 8's and a brand new 2009 4/4 Sport over 14 years of Morgan ownership and the Sport was a pain in terms of having to finish off what the factory should have done and bits kept falling off it all the time. The build quality of the 1994 and 1999 Plus 8's is far better in my experience. A well sorted secondhand one is a better route if you want fun and reliability from day one. Do you know any of the Aussies on here they will tell you straight and have the extra experience of the difficulty of procuring spares etc I know Gary finds it easier getting parts for his DeLorean than he does for his Morgan in Aus !

If it's just a money/time decision and you like the cars just do it don't hang around please, I was 53 when I got my first one and I should have got one earlier if they bite you they never let you go be warned. Another thing to help your decision making is that over a 10 year period you are likely to get more for it than you paid if taken care of properly. As a guide my new Sport was £27,000 with a few extras I requested just take a look at the UK prices for one as a guideline.

Quite a few people present and past on here have dabbled in a Morgan but never really got it and sold theirs on but they are still on the voyage of finding what they really want to own possibly.
At the other end of the spectrum one of the senior admin members on here has had Plus 8 Morgan's since they came out and now owns 3 one of the originals, the current Aero bodied Plus 8 and a special BMW V8 engined one he had built to his own design by MMC called the SP2 a fabulous machine.

Have fun enjoying your motoring whatever you decide on.


Regards Richard

1999 Indigo Blue +8
2009 4/4 Sport Green
1994 Connaught Green +8





Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: Stringers Best Mate] #549512
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Welcome to TM Chris,

As SBM says follow your heart!

I'd like to append some info. to his post though. I'm guessing what you refer to as the "Widebody" is from the drip fed factory information via Autocar?
What Morgan are presently calling the Widebody is the new Aluminium chassis, for a new series of cars after BMW dropped the V8 that was used in the Aero 8 (from 2000/1) and Aero based +8 (from 2012).
SBM's comment on widebody refers to traditional (classic) cars, not AFAIK ever referred to as widebody by the factory. The classic +8 (introduced in 1968) chassis was wider than the smaller engined cars (apart from the pre-production prototype). The +8 expanded over the years and sometime in the '90s the +4 was built on the same chassis (the +4 had a 2 litre Rover engine at the time), however the 4/4 remained on a narrower chassis until the early 2000s, until the BTR rear axle was used which was wider than the earlier Salisbury. The 4/4 has still retained the narrower front end though.

The 4/4 1600 Sigma powered cars are still available to ROW markets.
For the moment it has not got through the newer WLTP rules, so will not be available in Europe (including UK) until (if?) this is sorted out (it is still possible to find a few new ones on dealer stock in UK). Only applies to Morgan's state of tune for the Sigma engine as I understand it.

Do you need to buy new? I would try to get as many rides in cars as possible, if you cannot get comfortable (as mentioned) then perhaps they are not for you. The alternative is perhaps to find a good used one and run it for a while. If you don't get on with it, you are unlikely to lose any money when selling it on. If it grabs you, then consider buying new? Just a thought.

(PS never knew the Sylvia was available as a convertible)

Don't know where you are in Oz, but if near Melbourne I have a +8 (and other Morgans, Land Rovers etc.) owning pal who would happily take you out for a spin in one of his cars.

Cheers,



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Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: ChrisConvertible] #549517
22/12/18 08:35 AM
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All I will add to the above is this. My 2016 Plus 4 has been trouble free, aside fron a recent glitch with the immobiliser which was fixable at home.

My 2005 Roadster over the last ten years has suffered one broken damper bracket. I also had to replace the kingpins.

The 2012 4/4 Anniversary we ran for three years needed rear springs as it was built in the period of weak rear springs. I also replaced the kingpins.

My cars get used in all weathers and touring holidays.

I ran MGBs for over twenty years. They are great cars but didn't give me the level of pleasure I get from Morgans.

So.....good luck with your quest!


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Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: ChrisConvertible] #549521
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https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/morgan/plus-4


Have a look on here and save money on buying new , plenty of choice ! Don't think many cars will be doing more than 200 miles between charging for a while and who would want one anyway ?

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Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: ChrisConvertible] #549523
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Buying the basic spec car then adding after market the equivalent of factory options you would otherwise have ordered, may be a way to keeping costs down. This is particularly true with paint finishes on wheels, trim etc. Here an often superior finish can be had for as little as 10% of MMC price.

Examples: M3W front wheels shot blasted then powder coated metallic silver with laquer finish £80 (MMC price over £1000)

Roadster front grill, overrriders and headlamp rims powder coated silk black £70 (Likely MMC price £800)

Roadster ARV6 headlamps with LED DRL's £50/pair - goodness knows what MMC would have charged.

Oh and yes I am a Yorkshireman in exile wink

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Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: ChrisConvertible] #549524
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Hmmmm......as I’ve just sold my Morgan in order to look for something more classic I’m perhaps not the best person to give advice.
I don’t think that it’s a car to buy if you have doubts about it......the build quality, factory support, comfort, etc. I know people who have bought and then sold on after struggling to enjoy the car.....and understand it....for a few months. It most certainly is not a competitor for any other modern sports car.
If you “get” Morgans, they do get under your skin.....you will certainly have to get under their skin every now and again to fettle them. And if fettling and improving is your thing, they are the perfect car for that. Improving what is a very agricultural 1930’s suspension, tuning the engine etc.
The other posters have covered most of the salient points and you’ll gather from Graham’s comments that the Plus 4 next year will most likely be a different car to what it is at the moment. Just wait until the Geneva Show!

If I were in your shoes however and can retire at 55 ( I took early retirement and never regretted it!) I’d jump at the chance of building the SS100. A lot rarer than the Morgan, potential for a lovely engine and those classic looks.

Good luck!


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Re: Trying to decide whether to become a member [Re: Jays] #549530
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Originally Posted By Jays
Hmmmm......as I’ve just sold my Morgan in order to look for something more classic I’m perhaps not the best person to give advice.
I don’t think that it’s a car to buy if you have doubts about it......the build quality, factory support, comfort, etc. I know people who have bought and then sold on after struggling to enjoy the car.....and understand it....for a few months. It most certainly is not a competitor for any other modern sports car.
If you “get” Morgans, they do get under your skin.....you will certainly have to get under their skin every now and again to fettle them. And if fettling and improving is your thing, they are the perfect car for that. Improving what is a very agricultural 1930’s suspension, tuning the engine etc.
The other posters have covered most of the salient points and you’ll gather from Graham’s comments that the Plus 4 next year will most likely be a different car to what it is at the moment. Just wait until the Geneva Show!

If I were in your shoes however and can retire at 55 ( I took early retirement and never regretted it!) I’d jump at the chance of building the SS100. A lot rarer than the Morgan, potential for a lovely engine and those classic looks.


Couldn't put it better myself.

One of my favourite movie quotes is from 'Ronin' - "If there is ever any doubt, then there is no doubt".


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