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#550123 - 26/12/18 08:18 AM 1.6 ltr to weedy ?
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Forgive my ignorance, im a Morgan noob

Ive seen a car I like but its only a 1.6 ( though it doesn't say which maker. Ford Sigma ? )

Too weedy for touring/motorways/hills etc? Although I'm not expecting supercar performance I would like a car with some poke when I give it some beans.

Anyone know please ?

Its this car

https://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/dealer/us...-grey-1-6-2010/





Edited by Bonesie (26/12/18 08:27 AM)
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#550136 - 26/12/18 09:02 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Relatively new to Mog four wheel ownership myself but there does seem to be a strong following for the 4/4 although production temporarily ceased.

Light weight and nimble handling coupled with modest tyre width seem to contribute to a fun chuckable car. Plenty of tuning option for the n/a Sigma engine as well.

Pure speculation although backed by dealer hints is that the classic range will adopt the Ford Ecoboost engine series as future poweplants. Given that the tiny three cylinder one litre version is already available with 123 and 140 bhp options, with torque to match, they could provide more than adequate power for entry level cars. Reach up to the four cylinder 2.3 version which with small tweaks can nearly match the five litre V8 version of Mustang and you have dramatic performance for top of the range.
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#550138 - 26/12/18 09:14 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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1.6 Ford Sigma.
Weedy, no, eminently tweakable, however on standard gearing you may find it is overgeared. A number have changed the diff ratio to make 5th a 1:1 rather than an overdrive gear.
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#550144 - 26/12/18 10:02 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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I’ve never found mine lacking, but then I just love driving. It’s a great engine and exceptionally good at high revs with such a light car. Also noteworthy is the Mazda gearbox, it’s mechanical perfection.

The shortcomings are all the things you need to adjust to: suspension, brakes, steering, and even the pedals, but these are the same on them all and you’ll either love them or hate them.

You ask about motorways and if that’s important, I wouldn’t bother with any Morgan, any old barge with cruise control, a cup holder and a back seat to chuck your rubbish will do that job better.

I especially like the car you’re looking at, the grey and tan with black wheels is a handsome combination.

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#550150 - 26/12/18 10:17 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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http://www.premierpowerengines.com/products/1.6sigmaengine


Plenty of tweeking available on the 1600 Sigma being Ford and being raced in various guises eg Caterham 7 sigma , the best fun with a Mog is to tweek !


Edited by madmax (26/12/18 10:19 AM)
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#550154 - 26/12/18 10:28 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
Deejay Offline
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Lots of enthusiastic advice here but the ONLY way to be sure is to actually drive the thing. As with many Ford normally aspirated engines, if you want “poke” you will need to keep the pot boiling at 4k+. Note also, it has the traditional studded hood rather than the “easy up” and may not be everyone’s cup of tea. Also, being a Sport model, has no spare wheel. Looks as if it’s lived abroad...was that in a nice dry climate or parked beside the salty sea?
Good luck and no need to rush it. Guess a lot of pre-owned will appear this coming year as a result of the 110 anniversary deals.
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#550164 - 26/12/18 10:57 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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I had a Zetec engine 4/4. It drove well if pushed & you were in the right gear.
I had it for 5 years and 25k including commuting on the M4.

I prefer a bigger engine as we tour a lot now but the 4/4 is a fine car to start your Morgan experience.
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#550166 - 26/12/18 11:01 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
sospan Offline
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Bonesie, drive it to see how it performs. I had a ‘93 car with Ford cvh efi. About 110bhp (not actually tested on dyno). A nice car. The car is light so performed better than the Escorts etc it was in.
You could pootle round easily. By learning the characteristics you could use the gears/revs to get a move on and it was a nimble car on vends. Hills might need downchanges or anticipating them and accelerating early. I enjoyed driving it as it encouraged you to read the road and adapt.
I did some runs with Roadster/Plus8/plus4 groups and kept up by judicious use of the engine. woohoo
Did some long cruising too and motorways we’re fine.
My advice is to try it out and see if it will meet your needs.
I now have a Plus8 and it has totally different characteristics. Would I go back? No reason not to but I have the V8 bug now. Who knows for the future though.


Edited by sospan (26/12/18 11:02 AM)
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#550174 - 26/12/18 11:47 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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It weighs a lot less than most cars with a NA 1.6 these days so think power-to-weight not power.

Also the general handling of a simple trad is more lively so you will be having more fun at licence protecting speeds. Some of the suspension upgrades can improve this further.

If you want to enjoy driving and not just going very fast then being involved in rowing it along is far more rewarding. The new Alpine is not exactly over powered.

Drive a few and always buy on condition, documentation and feel. These cars can be young and need work or old and well maintained.

They hold their value well and so buying one for a time and then trading up is a common process.

Just get the wheel in your hands and speak to your local MOG club for feedback.
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#550179 - 26/12/18 11:57 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Nice car, the engine is quite small but he will for sure do the job, the dark point of this car is the black wheels and no external handle door, if you arrive to convince them to give you at this price with this missing option and maybe sun visor, after a test drive you are for sure good to go.

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#550184 - 26/12/18 12:14 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Deejay]
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Originally Posted By Deejay
Looks as if it’s lived abroad...was that in a nice dry climate or parked beside the salty sea?

What gives that impression? Just curious smile
I've seen the actual car in MMC showroom. Looks good.
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#550193 - 26/12/18 12:57 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Graham, G4FUJ]
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Originally Posted By Graham, G4FUJ
Originally Posted By Deejay
Looks as if it’s lived abroad...was that in a nice dry climate or parked beside the salty sea?

What gives that impression? Just curious smile
I've seen the actual car in MMC showroom. Looks good.
[quote=Graham, G4FUJ][quote=Deejay]
Sorry, Graham, putting my hands up! I only quickly looked at the write up and jumped to wrong conclusion when I saw reference to it being refitted with a standard 2010 plate prior to sale. Looking at pic, it already has a Brit reg. of course, albeit from the dark & distant past.

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#550201 - 26/12/18 01:29 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Chester.G]
Hamwich Offline

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Originally Posted By Chester.G
Nice car, the engine is quite small but he will for sure do the job, the dark point of this car is the black wheels and no external handle door, if you arrive to convince them to give you at this price with this missing option and maybe sun visor, after a test drive you are for sure good to go.


That's one point of view. Personally I think the black wheels and lack of exterior door handles are major plus points. And sun visors are also completely unnecessary, a peaked cap is all that's needed.

The 4/4 is a great car, perfectly able to do anything you want of a Morgan.
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#550204 - 26/12/18 01:47 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Not in anyway weedy! The 1600 engine ( Sigma) is a delight - it loves to rev and therefore is great fun to use. Add in the MX5 gearbox and you have a perfect combo. Even better with a very cost effective re-map from Wolf performance that'll make it even better.


I sometimes drive a 184bhp twin scroll turbo Mini Cooper S and in no way does the 4/4 feel weedy or underpowered by comparison - its much more fun to drive as well.

The grey car in the link looks great I think - love the colour scheme.




Edited by andymot (26/12/18 01:48 PM)
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#550210 - 26/12/18 02:06 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
Heinz Offline

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The Mazda gear box was launched around 2012? I never drove a 4/4 Sport with the Ford gearbox, but if the car is in a good condition and regarding the price point, why not. Especially the very car looks great in the pics.
On the other hand, if you can find a 4/4 with the Mazda box, the internal ratios offer a better match to the weight figure of the 4/4. I have such a one since 4,5 years and I am still very happy. The best overall drive for me even in comparison with a 3.0 Roadser which has more power and easyness of acceleration but less nimble qualities. The latter is the key to have so much fun on B roads.

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#550211 - 26/12/18 02:11 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Deejay]
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Originally Posted By Deejay

Sorry, Graham, putting my hands up! I only quickly looked at the write up and jumped to wrong conclusion when I saw reference to it being refitted with a standard 2010 plate prior to sale. Looking at pic, it already has a Brit reg. of course, albeit from the dark & distant past.

No worries. It made go back and carefully check the advert before I actually posted my query. Thought I'd missed something grin2
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#550216 - 26/12/18 02:21 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
PhilRoyle Offline

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I love my 1600 4/4 sport - the engine has plenty of power for my needs - but could have it tweaked if I wanted. Also 45+ mpg and very cheap tax and insurance.
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#550227 - 26/12/18 03:21 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Looks nice and yes the 4/4 is great for a newbie to get a feel for Morgans

One question though, is an 8yr old 4/4 really still worth £30k ???
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#550232 - 26/12/18 04:23 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: CooperMan]
Hamwich Offline

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Originally Posted By CooperMan
Looks nice and yes the 4/4 is great for a newbie to get a feel for Morgans

One question though, is an 8yr old 4/4 really still worth £30k ???


Judging by the asking prices of other 4/4s, and the fact that a new one is over £45k it seems reasonable.
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#550234 - 26/12/18 04:25 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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My 100bhp plus Mild tune 1.6 is plenty powerful enough in the Welsh A and B roads.
Nothing wrong with 1.6 at all.
However I've moved onto 2.7 boxer engined sports car.
it's an age thing gloomy
my moggy is still for sale innocent


Edited by stevemag (26/12/18 04:27 PM)
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#550235 - 26/12/18 04:31 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Hamwich]
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The 1600 definitely isn't weedy - but it does require quite enthusiastic input from the driver to keep things on the boil, which is why the 4/4 is such a fun car. The advice regarding the Mazda box models is sound; it's a much sweeter gearbox and the ratio of 5th gear is better suited to the car than in the Ford box.

One of the great things about the Morgan range is that the different engine options offer quite different driving experiences, so it's really down to what you want to get out of the car.

Personally (and I know I'm not alone in this) I find the 4/4 the most charming model in the Morgan range - light, simple, checkable and fun. Other people want more torque and power - that's great too, as there's the +4, Roadster and (older) V8.
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#550239 - 26/12/18 04:47 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Graham, G4FUJ]
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Originally Posted By Deejay
Sorry, Graham, putting my hands up! I only quickly looked at the write up and jumped to wrong conclusion when I saw reference to it being refitted with a standard 2010 plate prior to sale. Looking at pic, it already has a Brit reg. of course, albeit from the dark & distant past.

It isn't actually old, "SU" is the non-age-related series used by the DVLA. "SU" was originally allocated to a sub-division of Glasgow that by 1963, when year suffixes started, were still only on "BSU". Therefore any registration from "CSU1" onwards is actually modern.

Of course, the silver on black plates on this car are illegal, and I noticed the DVLA website doesn't recognise the actual registration so that is a bit of a mystery!

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#550247 - 26/12/18 05:41 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Only a personal point of view but I have recently bought my first Morgan. Before doing so I rented a 4/4 from a dealer for the weekend. Great car but it was more suited to winding country roads than motorways and dual carriageways.
I have now bought a Plus 4 and the difference is noticeable. The Plus 4 seems much more comfortable keeping up with modern traffic on 70mph roads. Again only a personal view but i am very happy with my decision and there is a noticable difference between the 1.6 and the 2.0.


Edited by Chilliblu (26/12/18 05:44 PM)
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#550248 - 26/12/18 05:52 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Hamwich]
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Originally Posted By Hamwich
Personally I think the black wheels and lack of exterior door handles are major plus points. And sun visors are also completely unnecessary, a peaked cap is all that's needed.

The 4/4 is a great car, perfectly able to do anything you want of a Morgan.


Spot on! I've had a few over the years and for looks when kept plain and simple it's the best!!!
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#550251 - 26/12/18 06:09 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Originally Posted By Bonesie
Forgive my ignorance, im a Morgan noob

Ive seen a car I like but its only a 1.6 ( though it doesn't say which maker. Ford Sigma ? )

Too weedy for touring/motorways/hills etc? Although I'm not expecting supercar performance I would like a car with some poke when I give it some beans.

Anyone know please ?

Its this car

https://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/dealer/us...-grey-1-6-2010/





This is the same car as mine Bonesie, it’s defiantly not weedy and suits me well, the cheapest mod if you want some extra horses is the ecu remap, it unlocks the engine, I had mine done by Cain at Wolf Performance for about £250 ish




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#550275 - 26/12/18 07:44 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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That looks like the recommendation then ; plus 4 and bigger for motorway work. 4/4 for chucking about.
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#550293 - 26/12/18 10:44 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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We have a 2014 4/4 and now have 24000 miles on the clock. It is more than happy on the motorway - you have to be prepared to change down to accelerate up hill on occasions if you have a touring load aboad. It is quite comfortable cruising at 80+ where the speed limit allows. Through the alps, it can easily keep up with bigger engined cars. I have to change gear a bit more often but with the Mazda gearbox, that is not a problem. Some of the earlier Sigma engined 4/4s with the Ford gearbox had a different axle ratio. I cannot comment on how those cars drive.

You need to drive the car and see if it feels right. The narrrower wings and narrowerer tyres make for a different driving experience - which I love.
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#550314 - 27/12/18 08:31 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Originally Posted By Bonesie
Forgive my ignorance, im a Morgan noob

Ive seen a car I like but its only a 1.6 ( though it doesn't say which maker. Ford Sigma ? )

Too weedy for touring/motorways/hills etc? Although I'm not expecting supercar performance I would like a car with some poke when I give it some beans.

Anyone know please ?

Its this car

https://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/dealer/us...-grey-1-6-2010/





Test drive it. Only you know how many Beanz you want / need.

Out there in the real world, the fastest car is the one with the daftest driver. Often a white van with an 18 year old yoof behind the wheel. I used to have a Ferrari but I still got overtaken many times by much less powerful machinery. Its noit the size - its what you do with it. Engine size of course.

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#550355 - 27/12/18 12:06 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
Paul F Offline

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Just remembered - in 2014 when our car was new, the +4 did 0-60 just 0.5secs faster than the 4/4. The power difference is almost insignificant in the real world. The main difference is torque and therefore the driving style you end up with.
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#550365 - 27/12/18 01:09 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Paul F]
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Originally Posted By Paul F
Just remembered - in 2014 when our car was new, the +4 did 0-60 just 0.5secs faster than the 4/4. The power difference is almost insignificant in the real world. The main difference is torque and therefore the driving style you end up with.


So a simple remap on 4/4 sigma will bring it up to a standard plus four 0-60 time, if not faster !


Edited by Craig Jezz (27/12/18 01:10 PM)
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#550369 - 27/12/18 01:18 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Chilliblu]
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Originally Posted By Chilliblu
Only a personal point of view but I have recently bought my first Morgan. Before doing so I rented a 4/4 from a dealer for the weekend. Great car but it was more suited to winding country roads than motorways and dual carriageways.
I have now bought a Plus 4 and the difference is noticeable. The Plus 4 seems much more comfortable keeping up with modern traffic on 70mph roads. Again only a personal view but i am very happy with my decision and there is a noticable difference between the 1.6 and the 2.0.

Motorways and Dual Carriageways! If you want to drive fast,straight and fume laden roads, then use a Tintop for all the fun you will get out of it. There is always an alternative route available rather than using the tarmac rails
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#550376 - 27/12/18 02:26 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: bilibib]
Bonesie Offline
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Originally Posted By bilibib
There is always an alternative route available rather than using the tarmac rails


True, but if Im going anywhere other than the shops or a razz around the countryside then motorway driving is pretty much unavoidable.

Taking an alternative route could literally add hours onto a journey. On motorways power is king and can get you out of sticky spots.

I suppose its a balancing act. I like to drive in a 'spirited' way but I also like the power of a big engine for the boring A-to-B drive. We would love to tour around France - Germany etc , maybe the 1.6 with two people and loaded with a bit of kit could get tiresome ?

I guess I have to decide where most of the driving will be and whats more important. getting from A to B or slinging it around UKs countryside :-)

Thanks for all the answers guys, lots to think about for sure !
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#550377 - 27/12/18 02:27 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: SFG]
Bonesie Offline
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Originally Posted By SFG
That looks like the recommendation then ; plus 4 and bigger for motorway work. 4/4 for chucking about.


One of each, perfect cheers
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#550378 - 27/12/18 02:31 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Craig Jezz]
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Originally Posted By Craig Jezz




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#550427 - 27/12/18 06:58 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Originally Posted By Bonesie
Originally Posted By bilibib
There is always an alternative route available rather than using the tarmac rails


True, but if Im going anywhere other than the shops or a razz around the countryside then motorway driving is pretty much unavoidable.

Taking an alternative route could literally add hours onto a journey. On motorways power is king and can get you out of sticky spots.

I suppose its a balancing act. I like to drive in a 'spirited' way but I also like the power of a big engine for the boring A-to-B drive. We would love to tour around France - Germany etc , maybe the 1.6 with two people and loaded with a bit of kit could get tiresome ?

I guess I have to decide where most of the driving will be and whats more important. getting from A to B or slinging it around UKs countryside :-)

Thanks for all the answers guys, lots to think about for sure !



I have had my 4/4 tuned, ECU remap and a sport manifold show 150 Hp and 180 Nm whichnis not too bad concerning the light weight.
The manifold is designed for medium speed optimization. I would* recommend my tuning immediately, the car is very powerful and even in 5th gear I usually don't have to shift down on medium gradients. The top speed is not so decisive, but in 4th gear the car reaches 160 km/h impressively fast and willingly, and it keeps this speed in 5th gear without effort, if not on the straight track 185 km/h, which I drove only once as a test, gps tested.

But I see a problem. The new exhaust regulations are so strict that the car wouldn't stand up to an exact test. The reason is that the 300 cell metal catalytic converter is now much further away from the engine and will only warm up later. So you always have a small remaining risk, because not everything is legal anymore.

Two years ago I didn't see it so strict, but the controls are getting harder and harder, also because of the whole driving ban and the Dieselgate story in our country.

*On the other hand
When you buy a Plus4, you have enough easy power for the highway. I think I would drive away with my 4/4 every series Plus4 as long as I am alone in the car and without luggage. But if you want to be mentally relaxed, the Plus4 is the safer choice, everything is legal. The disadvantage is that the gdi engine can't just be tuned but with one exception (but I have the feeling that you don't really have that in mind either. The exception is, there is a tuning possibility at MMC, for later planning an upgrade to this Sports edition for the gdi engine, I can't remember the exact name...I think Club Sport.


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#550433 - 27/12/18 07:45 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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I have the ITG induction kit and the ECU remap, they work really well together, and very noticeable at the higher rev range.

I have no trouble on motorways and hills.

I also have the Librands Sports exhaust, but the manifold is standard. The exhaust didn’t make any noticeable difference in performance, but it all plays a nice tune that makes me smile.

As you can see I like pictures if that’s ok ?





















Edited by Craig Jezz (27/12/18 07:46 PM)
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#550456 - 27/12/18 09:25 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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#550468 - 27/12/18 10:56 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Alistair]
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Originally Posted By Alistair
Way to clean for me - yikes. notworthy


As well it is way, way to clean for Me. I take pride in having a nice coating of dust and mud undercarriage. I would prefer there was not oil and grease dripping from every corner but it would not cause Me to loose sleep. However the "Electrical Gods" really like a clean Morgan. For that reason alone I use My trusty pressure washer liberally. It is a warm day endeavor and My Washer has a bottle for detergent which I find makes the task easier and cleaner. All 3 of My Morgans do not have horsehair or water absorbing materials in the interior. Except the seats. I take the seats out when it is pressure wash time. Not for everybody, particularly someone who has spent a lot to get a Morgan of their dreams.
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#552777 - 09/01/19 04:57 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Ive seen another car, an older one. It has a T16 Rover 2ltr
Anyone with any experience of this engine ?
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#552838 - 09/01/19 07:50 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Plenty of torque, Rover R380 gearbox. Quite long legged for touring. Owned a '97 for a year (unfortunately, as it was the same width as a similar age +8 it was too wide for easy manoeuvre along my driveway so I ended up keeping the '76 x-flow 4/4). Enjoyed it while it resided with me though smile
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#552841 - 09/01/19 07:58 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Originally Posted By Bonesie
Ive seen another car, an older one. It has a T16 Rover 2ltr
Anyone with any experience of this engine ?

Good for turbocharging as the parts are off the shelf. It was a better engine design than the earlier N & M16 engines for which some parts are getting difficult to find.
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#552885 - 09/01/19 11:04 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Button]
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Originally Posted By Button
Originally Posted By Alistair
Way to clean for me - yikes. notworthy


As well it is way, way to clean for Me. I take pride in having a nice coating of dust and mud undercarriage. I would prefer there was not oil and grease dripping from every corner but it would not cause Me to loose sleep. However the "Electrical Gods" really like a clean Morgan. For that reason alone I use My trusty pressure washer liberally. It is a warm day endeavor and My Washer has a bottle for detergent which I find makes the task easier and cleaner. All 3 of My Morgans do not have horsehair or water absorbing materials in the interior. Except the seats. I take the seats out when it is pressure wash time. Not for everybody, particularly someone who has spent a lot to get a Morgan of their dreams.


I don’t see any crime in buying a clean car, if was retired like most on here, then I’m sure my 4/4 would be dirty underneath due to the midweek driving.

At the moment with my work, I’m only getting out on a weekend, but If I’m honest I do choose dry days.

I will post some dirt in 16 years time when I retire....
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#552886 - 09/01/19 11:12 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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#553053 - 10/01/19 05:08 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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I had a 97 car for 7 years. It is the silver & blue two tone that appears on the banner photo slide show.
I fitted a librands manifold & exhaust plus a panhard rod & SSL front end.
A great car but the ECU can fail.
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#553059 - 10/01/19 05:23 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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How do you keep your Mog so clean underneath Craig Jezz ?
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#553135 - 10/01/19 11:43 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: madmax]
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Originally Posted By madmax
How do you keep your Mog so clean underneath Craig Jezz ?


Hi purchased my Morgan in April 2017, and I drive it weekends when I get the time, I don’t really bother going out in wet weather. However, I do enjoy driving it on them cold crisp sunny mornings (if no salt on the roads)

I can honestly say I have never washed it since ownership,

The annual service is due in March, so things could be about to change if the heavens open up.


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#553199 - 11/01/19 01:14 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Button]
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I'm wary of pressure washing in case water gets into the electricals !
Originally Posted By Button
Originally Posted By Alistair
Way to clean for me - yikes. notworthy


As well it is way, way to clean for Me. I take pride in having a nice coating of dust and mud undercarriage. I would prefer there was not oil and grease dripping from every corner but it would not cause Me to loose sleep. However the "Electrical Gods" really like a clean Morgan. For that reason alone I use My trusty pressure washer liberally. It is a warm day endeavor and My Washer has a bottle for detergent which I find makes the task easier and cleaner. All 3 of My Morgans do not have horsehair or water absorbing materials in the interior. Except the seats. I take the seats out when it is pressure wash time. Not for everybody, particularly someone who has spent a lot to get a Morgan of their dreams.
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#553248 - 11/01/19 04:23 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Alistair]
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Originally Posted By Alistair
Way to clean for me - yikes. notworthy


Yeap, agreed
I like to know which is
"Shiney side up "
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#553331 - 11/01/19 10:31 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Craig Jezz]
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Originally Posted By Craig Jezz
.....

I can honestly say I have never washed it since ownership,

.....


- I do go out in the wet stuff, but have only rinsed the car off when some crap from the house gutters being cleaned fell in the wrong place...
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#553334 - 11/01/19 10:49 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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I’m off to Williams Automobiles on the 13th March (my 50th birthday, so I’m catching up with the rest on here?)

It will be a service and my first M.O.T (m.o.t isn’t due until 13th May, but I decided to bring it in line with the service)

I’m also having a few more upgrades added, to make it less weedy 🤔

1) Panhard Rod Kit
2) Break Reaction bars

These upgrades come well recommended on here, so they are now on the list.

I hope I will notice the difference? ....,even though I do not drive it like I stole it !



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#553337 - 11/01/19 10:59 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Craig, you are just a day behind me. I turn 60 on March 14th. I recommend the break reaction bars. I would say have a good look if you really like the Panhard Rod. If it is disadvantageous to comfort, the panhard rod can simply be dismantled again. I personally would say that a change to really good tyres is more essential than a PR on the base of the Continental OEM tyres.

The head mechanic of my Morgan shop claims the philosophy that many of the measures that only stiffen the chassis selectively are not good for the behave of the whole chassis. And he restored some classic Morgan cars, many of them pre-war.
I also believe this through many years of experience.
Instead of the Panhard Rod, which does provide more obvious control, the car is at least as fast when you overcome fear.
The secret is to distinguish which lateral movement is caused by the offset of the axle under the chassis and which other lateral movement is caused by the offset of the tyres. Then you are even faster without a Panhard Rod.

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#553353 - 12/01/19 04:38 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Interesting post Heinz
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#553355 - 12/01/19 06:16 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Yes, very interesting. It reminds me of a point made in a book on engineering structures I read many moons ago: 'Structures - or why things don't fall down' by J E Gordon. In it, he relates engineering principles to everyday experiences but one of the points that stuck in my head was that strengthening elements of a structure - say after repair work to a component - can sometimes cause unexpected performance or failure in other seemingly unrelated parts of a structure at a later, and perhaps unpredicted date. The example used related to ships but would apply to most structures that flex and move I guess, hence my post!
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#553357 - 12/01/19 07:17 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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When I first bought my car, there was definitely something disconcerting going on with lateral movement at the rear, I even removed and checked the wheels and hubs a few times to make sure everything was as it should be.
Now, I couldn’t say if the movement has reduced or ceased for whatever reason, or if I’ve adjusted my driving to suit, but I honesty don’t have an issue with it anymore, in fact I quite enjoy the pointy, abrupt turn in feel of the chassis and wouldn’t want to change it.

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#553358 - 12/01/19 07:32 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Heinz, I am a day after you, and I went for a drive yesterday around a tight uphill hairpin bend just below White Horse hill, and when I put the power on, the inside wheel lifted and I found myself in a modest power slide. I expect my tyres are a bit brittle, and I have no suspension mods. It's great fun to drive like that, so I'm going to keep it that way!


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#553362 - 12/01/19 08:39 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Heinz makes a very valid point about the original tyres - they are hard wearing and fine but not the grippiest - most noticeable in the wet. Many Morgan owners have found better alternatives and my experience with many other cars has shown tyres make a huge difference to how a car drives/handles.

However regarding the Panhard rod. I noticed a marked improvement at the first roundabout - makes the car feel more stable/planted. Even my passenger noticed the change. Its had some other unexpected advantages too - the pull away is smoother and no longer do I get the occasional noise of the prop rubbing on the tunnel. This used to occur when the car was 2 up and pulling well over undulating roads - never happened since the rod was installed.

So whist not wishing to contradict what others have said I personally found the panhard rod a worthy addition.

I have no doubt better tyres would be great as well however.
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#553363 - 12/01/19 08:41 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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It is one of the things that I noticed when I fitted the suspension mods, particularly the 5 link rear, that with the wheels and body roll under better control it became much harder to get the rear end to break away. I can only assume that with all 4 tyres more firmly planted on the road I am getting better traction and less slip.
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#553364 - 12/01/19 08:46 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Heinz]
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Originally Posted By Heinz
Craig, you are just a day behind me. I turn 60 on March 14th. I recommend the break reaction bars. I would say have a good look if you really like the Panhard Rod. If it is disadvantageous to comfort, the panhard rod can simply be dismantled again. I personally would say that a change to really good tyres is more essential than a PR on the base of the Continental OEM tyres.

The head mechanic of my Morgan shop claims the philosophy that many of the measures that only stiffen the chassis selectively are not good for the behave of the whole chassis. And he restored some classic Morgan cars, many of them pre-war.
I also believe this through many years of experience.
Instead of the Panhard Rod, which does provide more obvious control, the car is at least as fast when you overcome fear.
The secret is to distinguish which lateral movement is caused by the offset of the axle under the chassis and which other lateral movement is caused by the offset of the tyres. Then you are even faster without a Panhard Rod.



Heinz , have you ever driven a 4/4 with the Panhard Rod ? ? ...Those on here with the Panhard Rod have had positive results, maybe some axels slide more than others.

I can feel the axel slide on roundabouts (more so when I have a heavy passenger when entering at higher speeds) I don’t like this feeling. Maybe it’s because I’m too used to my every day car BMW 3 series M Sport Xdrive
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#553368 - 12/01/19 09:15 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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I have driven the Plus 4 with and without a panhard rod before fitting the 5 link supension. Now I do prefer a firmish rear suspension, mainly for the touring luggage loads (blame swmbo) that we carry but I did notice that the panhard rod did definitely make the rear less supple.

Regarding the 5 link I have fitted a higher rate spring (supplied by SSL for the purpose) than the standard mainly for the above mentioned luggage loads. It is interesting that, as SSL predicted, that from the point of view of comfort of the ride I really didn't notice the difference.

The idea of the higher rated springs was to maintain better ground clearance when the car was fully loaded.
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#553369 - 12/01/19 09:20 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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I dare say the leaves of my springs have possibly mated better over time and although not visibly worn, the tyres have changed too, I think I’m at about 10k miles, perhaps these things have an effect.

I also run my tyres at a higher pressure than standard, I can’t remember what that is, I just blew them up a bit until it felt right.

I’ll be fifty this year too by the way Craig, I was very sensible when I was young, but I’m making up for it now! laugh2

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#553372 - 12/01/19 09:28 AM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Craig Jezz]
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Originally Posted By Craig Jezz

I can feel the axel slide on roundabouts (more so when I have a heavy passenger when entering at higher speeds) I don’t like this feeling. Maybe it’s because I’m too used to my every day car BMW 3 series M Sport Xdrive


I don’t know about axle slide but I think that I might have had movement in the shackles (ouch!). I had a loud metallic click or clunk from the rear when cornering hard. It was a bit disconcerting for swmbo. It ceased straight away when I put the panhard rod on.

Bump stops can stop body roll too smile
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#553426 - 12/01/19 12:07 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Craig Jezz]
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Originally Posted By Craig Jezz
Heinz , have you ever driven a 4/4 with the Panhard Rod ? ? ...Those on here with the Panhard Rod have had positive results, maybe some axels slide more than others.

I can feel the axel slide on roundabouts (more so when I have a heavy passenger when entering at higher speeds) I don’t like this feeling. Maybe it’s because I’m too used to my every day car BMW 3 series M Sport Xdrive


Craig, I have only experiences concerning a Panhard Rod with a Plus4 Supersport and a 2010 Roadster. Both cars had much more engine power than a 4/4 and both were and felt much heavier in a different way each of them.
Ok, my engine is only short of 150HP which is not weak but iuckily the engine and the whole car feels light and nimble.

Regarding the P4SS the PR was no negative influence it was there from new and the suspension felt just right but that was a different sort of car where also two anti tramp bars were installed, one from new and one I had added. And the car had quite heavy wheels etc. So everything was on the opposite direction in terms of stiffening, even a roll case which was an option would have stiffed it further more.

With the Roadster, the PR was retrofitted and it was very uncomfortable. When I drove vertically over a bump in the road, the seat would swing horizontally to the side, causing back pain. Maybe the harmony of the parts wasn't right or the angle of the PR wasn't optimal, I don't know. But without PR the chassis was very harmonious in this case.

I am also curious to drive a 4/4 (other, not mine) with PR just to learn and make the experience. It can probably give you more control, also because the tires are so narrow and high profile on the 4/4, which may increase the feeling of insecurity.

But my philosophy is different with this car than with the Mogs. before. Tuned tighter springs. front and rear, adjustable dampers and not much more.
The 4seater leaf springs have made the car much more drivable. That stronger leaf spring was enough to prevent the cardan shaft from hitting the underbody when pulling away.

I love the simplicity and the life of this car. The way it is now, everything fits together beautifully. Even if the Panhard Rod would make the car more controlled or sporty without any negative influence, I could suddenly regret having too little engine power etc etc..I don't want to activate the vicious circle.

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#553427 - 12/01/19 12:08 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: ewn]
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Originally Posted By ewn
I dare say the leaves of my springs have possibly mated better over time and although not visibly worn, the tyres have changed too, I think I’m at about 10k miles, perhaps these things have an effect.

I also run my tyres at a higher pressure than standard, I can’t remember what that is, I just blew them up a bit until it felt right.

I’ll be fifty this year too by the way Craig, I was very sensible when I was young, but I’m making up for it now! laugh2


I'm driving down to Williams Automobiles for my 50th (13.03.19) with a few others. I cant think anything else better to do midweek. A bit too far for you Ewn ?
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#553429 - 12/01/19 12:19 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Rog]
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Originally Posted By Rog
Originally Posted By Craig Jezz

I can feel the axel slide on roundabouts (more so when I have a heavy passenger when entering at higher speeds) I don’t like this feeling. Maybe it’s because I’m too used to my every day car BMW 3 series M Sport Xdrive


I don’t know about axle slide but I think that I might have had movement in the shackles (ouch!). I had a loud metallic click or clunk from the rear when cornering hard. It was a bit disconcerting for swmbo. It ceased straight away when I put the panhard rod on.

Bump stops can stop body roll too smile


Rog, the loud metallic click and clunk sound I had too! It disappeared after about 20.000 km without a trace. The reason is said to be the bearing clearance of the BTR axle which is not adjustable by shims. But in the course of time this has resolved itself.

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#553433 - 12/01/19 12:31 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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1.6L Sigma I here you ask about

I can do anything from our own Williams Morgan remap to a full engine build which makes 260bhp.


Please take a look at my YouTube channel. You will see plenty of footage the 4/4 race car I built for my boss, Henry Williams.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8O1xn0j2z0Pz_hE6TMZ9kA?view_as=subscriber

I'm happy to discuss with you anything Morgan related.



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#553435 - 12/01/19 12:42 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Bonesie]
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Lawrie, 260 HP in „my“ 4/4 without adding any (substantial) weight should be an experience where I don‘t know if I am in heaven or in hell...

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#553438 - 12/01/19 12:49 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Heinz]
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Originally Posted By Heinz
Lawrie, 260 HP in „my“ 4/4 without adding any (substantial) weight should be an experience where I don‘t know if I am in heaven or in hell...


Only one way to find out!!!!
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#553441 - 12/01/19 01:07 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Heinz]
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Originally Posted By Heinz
Lawrie, 260 HP in „my“ 4/4 without adding any (substantial) weight should be an experience where I don‘t know if I am in heaven or in hell...


Might very quickly end up in one or the other on a wet day.....!

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#553866 - 14/01/19 10:04 PM Re: 1.6 ltr to weedy ? [Re: Craig Jezz]
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Thank you very much for the kind invite Craig, I’d love to join you, but you’re right, I looked it up and it’s too far for me, believe it or not, even Norway is considerably closer!!!

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