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#550142 - 26/12/18 09:56 AM Non starting Plus4
PAUL21 Offline
New to Talk Morgan

Registered: 13/01/16
Posts: 5
Can anyone suggest a solution, I turn the key in the ignition. but the lock symbol won’t go out ,This is my first time on the forum,
Merry Christmas ,
Paul21

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#550148 - 26/12/18 10:14 AM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
Tresco Offline
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Registered: 13/11/16
Posts: 67
Loc: Thatcham
Have you lost the little bit in the key for the immobiliser.
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#550149 - 26/12/18 10:17 AM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
teifistar Offline
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Registered: 18/11/15
Posts: 403
Loc: Carmarthen
If you have a spare key, try that. If it works then maybe you have lost the immobiliser chip in the key.
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#550151 - 26/12/18 10:21 AM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
PAUL21 Offline
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Registered: 13/01/16
Posts: 5
I have tried both keys , the spare is brand new and unused!!

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#550158 - 26/12/18 10:48 AM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
teifistar Offline
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Registered: 18/11/15
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Loc: Carmarthen
I don't know if you are a member of the MSCC, if you are then in the December issue of Miscellany, Dave Wellings has a piece about keys and immobilisers, worth a read it could be related to your problem
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#550160 - 26/12/18 10:52 AM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
Richard Wood Offline
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Registered: 03/02/16
Posts: 1705
Loc: East Harling, Norfolk UK
Try charging the battery. One member on here found the immobiliser a little finicky about less than optimum battery volts.

Thread here
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#550161 - 26/12/18 10:52 AM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
John V6 Offline

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Registered: 21/07/07
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Loc: Suffolk
Can you give us more details on what the car is please.
Later cars have an immobiliser ring in the lock.
If the battery is low it may not work well.
As said search for the Dave Wellings thread on this
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#550163 - 26/12/18 10:56 AM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
Alan Patterson Offline
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Registered: 07/10/08
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Here's Dave's thread on the subject
http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/539514/1
There is an issue with later Plus 4's. Try taking the key out of the ignition then rub the fob against the ignition barrel. This is usually sufficient to get the chip close enough to the induction loop to disable the immobiliser. Once the light goes out you have 30 seconds to insert the key and start the car.
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#550171 - 26/12/18 11:24 AM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
DaveW Offline
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Registered: 11/12/08
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Put the key in the ignition Paul. Don't turn it.

Put a battery conditioner on and the immobiliser will disarm in a few minutes.

PS - if my theory holds true, your Plus 4 will be 2016 onwards with an autophoretic coated chassis........
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#550196 - 26/12/18 01:14 PM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
PAUL21 Offline
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Registered: 13/01/16
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Thank you all for your help, l have had the car on a trickle charge which said the battery was charged, but when I used an additional jump start the car started immediately and with all keys
Beautiful day in Edinburgh, now can take the car out ,,but will not turn engine off till I return,
Thank you all again

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#550198 - 26/12/18 01:21 PM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
John V6 Offline

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Great news. Enjoy the grin factor
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#550199 - 26/12/18 01:21 PM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
PAUL21 Offline
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Registered: 13/01/16
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Sorry, forgot to mention I am a member of the MSCC, I have this 2015 plus 4,and a 2018 Plus 8 50th Anniversary model
Cheers Paul

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#550200 - 26/12/18 01:25 PM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: DaveW]
BobtheTrain Offline

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Registered: 15/04/14
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Loc: Renfrewshire
Originally Posted By DaveW
Put the key in the ignition Paul. Don't turn it.

Put a battery conditioner on and the immobiliser will disarm in a few minutes.

Dave W to the rescue, again!
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#550202 - 26/12/18 01:31 PM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
griffo Offline
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Registered: 31/07/14
Posts: 453
Loc: Cornwall
Well done Paul,
It's so upsetting when this kind of thing happens. It seems to me immobilisers are almost designed to prevent the rightful owners of cars from enjoying them. The chip fell out of my Plus 4 key in Italy and it wouldn't start. Thank God I carried the spare key. FYI the people re-programming my ECU for the Ecoboost conversion will delete the immobiliser at my request so it will always start with the key. I shall risk that the rarity of the Mog, the steering lock and my own "secret switch" will prevent theft.
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#550203 - 26/12/18 01:38 PM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
DaveW Offline
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Loc: South Yorkshire
Good news. So it seems that the galvanised chassis cars are not immune from this!
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#550209 - 26/12/18 02:01 PM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: DaveW]
Graham, G4FUJ Offline
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Loc: Cheltenham, Glos. UK
I wonder how the battery conditioner was connected - direct to the battery, or via the accessory socket?
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#550258 - 26/12/18 06:46 PM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
PAUL21 Offline
New to Talk Morgan

Registered: 13/01/16
Posts: 5
Hi Graham, is was direct to the battery with a lead which I could unplug when taking the car out,it is a fairly basic Halfords unit with a simple green light showing when charged, ,
Would you believe it, took the car out for an hour, About 2ish, it’s been parked in my garage and now won’t start, !!! Maybe the battery is not holding a charge
I have a 20 amp charger will put it on overnight , Bollocks !!
Cheers Paul

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#550305 - 27/12/18 07:21 AM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
John V6 Offline

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Registered: 21/07/07
Posts: 13310
Loc: Suffolk
Paul,
buy a conditioner like CTEK not a charger. You need to trickle charge to keep the battery healthy.
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#550308 - 27/12/18 07:39 AM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: John V6]
Graham, G4FUJ Offline
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Registered: 03/07/07
Posts: 22270
Loc: Cheltenham, Glos. UK
I'll second that John!
Also Paul, check your battery electrolyte level. smile
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#550352 - 27/12/18 11:58 AM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
Paul F Offline

Talk Morgan Expert

Registered: 20/08/10
Posts: 2366
Loc: Costock, South Nottinghamshire...
It may be that you have cooked your battery - Graham’s suggestion re electrolyte level is the first place I would look.

Our 4/4 sits on a CTEK charger when not being used (wired to battery with a fused lead - not through the cigarette lighter socket) and we have not had a problem.
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#550559 - 28/12/18 04:46 PM Re: Non starting Plus4 [Re: PAUL21]
xc68anc Offline
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Registered: 16/11/18
Posts: 76
Loc: Germany, Rhein-Main Area
If it's a 2015 car, and battery - I think the battery is sealed.

In cause the place they are mounted is still in technical sence "not a nice place for a long life". So now it's cold outside and in the garage. I think it's reached the end of it life.

Good chargers and conditioners shows it if the battery has a problem. And: with the most good conditioners you can also charge such a small battery like fitted in the morgan.

Best wishes

René

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