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#551754 - 04/01/19 06:34 PM Re: I.R.S. [Re: IvorMog]
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Originally Posted By IvorMog
The term "live axle" refers to an axle where the hubs are connected by a solid beam with no relative articulation between them.

Several forums and I stand corrected.


Edited by BobtheTrain (04/01/19 06:35 PM)
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#551764 - 04/01/19 07:24 PM Re: I.R.S. [Re: howard]
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I always thought a beam axle was one that spanned the car in a single unarticulated unit linking both wheels, and could be live or dead. Live meaning drive is transmitted, dead meaning no drive, like a De Dion tube axle.

Any other sort of axle, where only a single wheel is connected, is a split axle, and again these can be live or dead.
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#551774 - 04/01/19 08:33 PM Re: I.R.S. [Re: Hamwich]
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Originally Posted By Hamwich
I always thought a beam axle was one that spanned the car in a single unarticulated unit linking both wheels, and could be live or dead. Live meaning drive is transmitted, dead meaning no drive, like a De Dion tube axle.

Any other sort of axle, where only a single wheel is connected, is a split axle, and again these can be live or dead.




Research needed to confirm either way but the outcome will be interesting.

Could be 40 odd years of preconceived ideas going up in smoke here.
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#551781 - 04/01/19 09:44 PM Re: I.R.S. [Re: howard]
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"Dead" vs "live". I'm firmly of the view that engineering is more important than sematics! innocent

But from a quick glance at my collection of Morgan build photos, it looks to me as if the trad could be modded to carry IRS. Be a biggish job for a one off and likely would result in something as expensive as an Aero so probably not worth it.

As an interesting aside, I cant see why MMC havent altered the chassis to get rid of the underslung and allow more axle movement. That doesnt look too difficult.

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#551795 - 04/01/19 10:39 PM Re: I.R.S. [Re: howard]
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By the looks of the photos in Miscellany they are designing a new chassis so the short travel may well not last much longer
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#551799 - 04/01/19 10:54 PM Re: I.R.S. [Re: Hamwich]
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Originally Posted By Hamwich
I always thought a beam axle was one that spanned the car in a single unarticulated unit linking both wheels, and could be live or dead. Live meaning drive is transmitted, dead meaning no drive, like a De Dion tube axle.

Any other sort of axle, where only a single wheel is connected, is a split axle, and again these can be live or dead.

That's what I thought.
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#551800 - 04/01/19 10:54 PM Re: I.R.S. [Re: howard]
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There was a +8 racer with IRS front and rear based on a completely revised chassis and a fibreglass body. I believe it was developed by David Rutherford and came up for sale about a year ago on racecarsdirect.



It was hard to move on and is a bit of a curio having had Modsports spec effectively written out of the Morgan racing rulebook.

The chassis issues with rear IRS were addressed - this is where the Aero chassis started life. From memory, when Charles Morgan was racing the last of the Trad +8’s (Blue with Yellow Wheels) and despite a considerable amount of modification it was just not cutting the mustard.



Next development was the revised and stiffer Aero chassis as was originally raced in a trad body form as Big Blue (as was fitted with a large Ceverolet LS motor).



The early diff/hub/wishbone mounting design in a separate cradle was to facilitate quick rear end swaps during endurance racing. Only 4 bolts holding the entire rear assembly in place.

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#551809 - 05/01/19 12:24 AM Re: I.R.S. [Re: cerealsurfer]
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Thanks for that fascinating bit of race history on the Plus 8 IRS.
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#551830 - 05/01/19 08:58 AM Re: I.R.S. [Re: howard]
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Aha! I knew I'd seen a David Rutherford engineered IRS plus 8 somewhere....

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#551833 - 05/01/19 09:14 AM Re: I.R.S. [Re: howard]
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FWIW I agree with Bob's (IvorMog) description. The term live relating to the fact a solid axle links both suspended wheels rather than them moving independantly. Nothing therefore to do with them being driven or not.

Wicki is a bit vague on this but does state the drive axle may be a live axle, suggesting it doesn't have to be driven.


Edited by Richard Wood (05/01/19 09:15 AM)
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