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Re: SSL verses Rutherford? [Re: series1] #551979
05/01/19 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted By series1
Hi not long purchased a 2014 plus 4 with 2500 on the clock after a run to Yorkshire decided to renew all the suspension after looking around and trying a plus 4 with just the front fitted I decided on SSL front and rear, boy what a difference,the car is now very usable,fitted rear myself easier than i thought ,leaf springs came out easy,on front fitted chrome kingpins,steering now lighter, so very pleased with set up.If any body wants to try mine they are welcome,duncan


Sounds like a very worthwhile exercise series1, Enjoy
ps, nice offer of a drive...


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Re: SSL verses Rutherford? [Re: Redfate] #552329
07/01/19 10:48 AM
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Fully agree with Ivormog who well summurizes the SSL advantages.

The best improvement made on my 2005 PLUS 4. A suspension which works on the right way.

On mechanical aspect, less stress on the chassis and the radiator. Installed by myself without difficulties, but if you have to change the kingpins and the bushes you must have some mechanical know-how and a reamer.


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Re: SSL verses Rutherford? [Re: Redfate] #552385
07/01/19 03:58 PM
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The "Coil Over" shock rear suspension I have driven are trailing arm designed units. The rods go from the rear perch forward to the axle. Seems to Me this is much simpler than the SSL unit and I wonder why SSL did not use it.


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Re: SSL verses Rutherford? [Re: Button] #552401
07/01/19 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted By Button
The "Coil Over" shock rear suspension I have driven are trailing arm designed units. The rods go from the rear perch forward to the axle. Seems to Me this is much simpler than the SSL unit and I wonder why SSL did not use it.


Talking to Peter Ballard it seems that the SSL design was arranged as it is to give a useful amount of anti roll and anti squat, hence the angled upper links mounted forward of the axle line...


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Re: SSL verses Rutherford? [Re: Redfate] #552420
07/01/19 06:20 PM
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Hi all,
I had my car MOT'd on Saturday by a Morgan dealer, he advised that there was some play in my front suspension but nothing much to worry about yet. It would probably be ok for another year or two yet!
So now I'm thinking of just changing to the basic SSL front kit of springs and shocks and leaving the king pins etc alone for a while longer.
It sounds as though The Rutherford set up would require new king pins and bushes at the same time which I think would be unecessary for now.
I don't push the car hard and the handling for my driving style is pretty good, I just need something that will handle todays poor roads better.
I think, listening to you guys, I'll go with a DIY fit of SSL fronts and maybe some new shocks for the rear while I'm at it :-)


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Re: SSL verses Rutherford? [Re: Redfate] #552468
07/01/19 10:30 PM
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A set of hardchrome king pins will not cost much. I would do the job while you are at it as the suspension will work much better with new kingpins and bushes.

There might be someone around who has a reamer and can help you fit them.


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Re: SSL verses Rutherford? [Re: Gambalunga] #552471
07/01/19 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Gambalunga
A set of hardchrome king pins will not cost much. I would do the job while you are at it as the suspension will work much better with new kingpins and bushes.

There might be someone around who has a reamer and can help you fit them.

Sage advice indeed. If a job is worth doing...
and of course, the fewer times things are taken apart the better!


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Re: SSL verses Rutherford? [Re: Peter J] #552582
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Originally Posted By Peter J
Originally Posted By Button
The "Coil Over" shock rear suspension I have driven are trailing arm designed units. The rods go from the rear perch forward to the axle. Seems to Me this is much simpler than the SSL unit and I wonder why SSL did not use it.


Talking to Peter Ballard it seems that the SSL design was arranged as it is to give a useful amount of anti roll and anti squat, hence the angled upper links mounted forward of the axle line...


Don't understand how the angled upper links accomplish this. I would think the adjustments of the damper as well as the Spring Rate would control roll and either forward or rear mounted links squat. But remember I am a retired Accountant not Suspension Engineer.


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Re: SSL verses Rutherford? [Re: Deejay] #552593
08/01/19 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted By Deejay
Originally Posted By Gambalunga
A set of hardchrome king pins will not cost much. I would do the job while you are at it as the suspension will work much better with new kingpins and bushes.

There might be someone around who has a reamer and can help you fit them.

Sage advice indeed. If a job is worth doing...
and of course, the fewer times things are taken apart the better!


Absolutely. Once the hardchrome kingpins are in it should be good for well over 50,000 miles. Do the job once and you won't have to touch it again.


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