Click here to return to the home page.
Classic Morgans
Who's Online
19 registered (griffo, David Gibson, Gambalunga, Max5, jimmyw, RJW, rcmatt, Stewart S, Heinz, IcePack, BobtheTrain, Bishmog, Sloany, numog, Soleng, Duncanfromtexas, Eddie, Peter J, A11OGE), 107 Guests and 8 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Latest Photos
Ecoboost Plus 4 rolling road session
Allon White trim shop . Roadster interior changes
PocketRocket - Rolling Chassis - Roadster
M3W Tour of New Zealand 2019
Concept Royal Enfield V Twin
Newest Topics
For Sale -ECU Mate and Instruction Booklet.
by RJW
21/03/19 10:48 AM
Fuel tank pressure
by Bonesie
21/03/19 10:06 AM
Squeaky rear end
by SteveH
21/03/19 07:43 AM
Cigarette Lighter Mobile Phone Google Maps
by DaveK
21/03/19 01:34 AM
Happy Birthday Jon G4LJW
by +8Rich
21/03/19 12:58 AM
Ideas please - Devon/Dorset
by SFG
20/03/19 09:25 PM
H&H Auction Duxford 20.03.2019 - F4
by Stephen888
20/03/19 07:47 PM
Newest Members
Jabax4, UTE, robert l, RogerU, GIB
6422 Registered Users
Shout Box

Forum Stats
6,422 Registered Members
33 Forums
34,578 Topics
556,978 Posts

Most users ever online: 341 @ 11/02/18 10:30 PM
Today's Birthdays
Jon G4LJW, retiredal
Page 1 of 5 1 2 3 4 5 >
Topic Options
#552386 - 07/01/19 04:00 PM Tyre advice/reminders please
nick w Offline

Talk Morgan Enthusiast

Registered: 31/03/09
Posts: 1990
Today I spun the back wheels in 3rd gear......ok I used to do it in my roadster regularly, but I'm talking about my 4/4!
So I have to accept that my continentals are 4 years old and whilst they show no signs of wear, they have absolutely no grip on a damp surface.
I remember talk of vredsteins, yokos and avons.....did we ever reach a consensus of what's the best tyre on a 1600 4/4 (2014)?
Any comments appreciated.
Nick

Top
#552388 - 07/01/19 04:04 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Hamwich Offline

Talk Morgan Guru

Registered: 28/04/08
Posts: 7278
Loc: Gloucestershire, UK
I'm on my second set of Vredestein Sprint Classics. I will choose them again the next time I change. Loads of grip, controllable breakaway, good in the wet. For a 4/4 I reckon they are the dog's danglies.
_________________________
Tim H.
1986 4/4 VVTi Sport, 2002 LR Defender, 1957 R4 CV, 2005 Ferrari Vipar

Top
#552389 - 07/01/19 04:08 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Tresco Offline
Just Getting Started

Registered: 13/11/16
Posts: 66
Loc: Thatcham
I changed ours to vredsteins T trac2 last year but it was at the end of the year so haven't done much driving with them yet so can't really say too much about them but them seem ok. There wasn't much choice about from tyre fitters so got them online and had them fitted.


Edited by Tresco (07/01/19 04:10 PM)
_________________________
Ian

70th Anniversary 4/4 Edition (1976)

Top
#552399 - 07/01/19 04:48 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Jack The Lad Offline
Posting Desperado
Talk Morgan Guru

Registered: 12/04/11
Posts: 7769
Loc: The frozen North
I had Conti's on my 2L 4/4 when I purchased it in the mid 1980s had others on over the years . Popped Conti's back on around the end of summer last year . Let the mog garage it was at try it out . Then took it to certain roads I know. Held the roads like a jocks hand on his wallet and I did stretch it . Maybe you are expecting your 4/4 to do what the roadster did and down grading the ride in your 4/4 because of this.

Top
#552403 - 07/01/19 05:01 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
howard Offline
Part of the Furniture

Registered: 01/01/09
Posts: 4179
Cant remember which car mag it was in ( likely Car, maybe EVO) but there recently was a comparative test of tyres done scientifically. Sod all difference between the major brands. I think that Goodyear came out best, possibly Michelin but one of the two.

I'll look it up if you want

Top
#552410 - 07/01/19 05:44 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
nick w Offline

Talk Morgan Enthusiast

Registered: 31/03/09
Posts: 1990
Thanks Howard, but don't worry. I'm more interested in the comments from owners who've actually fitted alternatives and what they think of them. Thanks for the thought though.
Nick

Top
#552414 - 07/01/19 05:58 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
IvorMog Offline

Talk Morgan Regular

Registered: 17/04/17
Posts: 764
Loc: Staffordshire
FWIW the European tyre labelling does give an indication of the relative performance.

On a scale of A (best) to F (worst) the Conti has an E rating for wet grip whereas the Vredestein T-Trac2 has a wet grip rating of B.

The Vredestein Sprint Classic is exempt from tyre labelling as it's designed for Pre 1990 Classic Cars.

There is also a Dunlop Sport which I think has a B wet grip rating.

All 165/80R15
_________________________
Bob

1999 4/4 1.8 Zetec

Top
#552423 - 07/01/19 06:49 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: Hamwich]
P Dron Offline

Has a lot to Say!

Registered: 03/06/13
Posts: 1285
Originally Posted By Hamwich
I'm on my second set of Vredestein Sprint Classics. I will choose them again the next time I change. Loads of grip, controllable breakaway, good in the wet. For a 4/4 I reckon they are the dog's danglies.


I agree entirely. The standard Continentals are OK on a dry surface, but when the road is even slightly damp, you go directly from low grip to no grip. The Vredesteins give more feel and allow more reaction time.

Top
#552430 - 07/01/19 07:08 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Heinz Online   content

Talk Morgan Addict

Registered: 07/09/09
Posts: 3639
Loc: Cologne, Germany
I have no experiences with the Vredestein sprint classic. In this forum most are happy with them, in other forums concerning other cars and sizes the experiences are more mixed.

In spring I will purchase my second set of T Trac2. I was totally satisfied and have them since 3 plus years and almost 48000 km wear. They are still good in the dry but they have significant wear so in the wet they have seen better days and regarding the price I must not wait any longer.

I‘m curious about the Dunlop sport classic because they have a good reputation since their launch 2 years ago, at least tested in other sizes.

But in Germany a new TTrac2 costs 48€ and so I skip the more classic look. The Dunlop sport classic costs 145€ one piece.
And from the side side view the TTrac2 looks also very clean smooth and classic.

Top
#552432 - 07/01/19 07:10 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
PaulJ Offline

Talk Morgan Addict

Registered: 16/10/11
Posts: 3218
Loc: Somerset, UK
Frankly I don't know why anyone running a light, low mileage car would ever consider a standard 'road' tyre, sure you will get 15000 - 20000 miles out of it, but it will be hard within 2 -3 years, 4 at the outside and probably less than half worn.

Why not go straight for a good road legal 'track day' tyre like the Avon ZZS, soft, grippy and will only last around 8,000 - 10,000 miles if you drive gently, but, hell, that's likely to be 3 years use for the average Morgan owner, 2 years for someone who uses their car a fair bit, but the grip in wet and dry conditions will be outstanding.

My car arrived with Yoko Advan A048's fitted and they are so sticky I can't kick out the back end on a roundabout, even with 225bhp, and after 7000 miles the wear is negligable.

Have a look and think seriously about it.
_________________________
Paul
[Beginning to get the best out of the ARP4]

Top
#552435 - 07/01/19 07:25 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: PaulJ]
Hamwich Offline

Talk Morgan Guru

Registered: 28/04/08
Posts: 7278
Loc: Gloucestershire, UK
Originally Posted By PaulJ
Frankly I don't know why anyone running a light, low mileage car would ever consider a standard 'road' tyre, sure you will get 15000 - 20000 miles out of it, but it will be hard within 2 -3 years, 4 at the outside and probably less than half worn.

Why not go straight for a good road legal 'track day' tyre like the Avon ZZS, soft, grippy and will only last around 8,000 - 10,000 miles if you drive gently, but, hell, that's likely to be 3 years use for the average Morgan owner, 2 years for someone who uses their car a fair bit, but the grip in wet and dry conditions will be outstanding.

My car arrived with Yoko Advan A048's fitted and they are so sticky I can't kick out the back end on a roundabout, even with 225bhp, and after 7000 miles the wear is negligable.

Have a look and think seriously about it.


Fair point, but:

(a) You can't get tyres like ZZS in 165/16
and
(b) surely the whole point is to be able to slide the back end when you want to, otherwise where's the fun?
_________________________
Tim H.
1986 4/4 VVTi Sport, 2002 LR Defender, 1957 R4 CV, 2005 Ferrari Vipar

Top
#552441 - 07/01/19 07:57 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
milligoon Offline
Talk Morgan Addict

Registered: 20/04/14
Posts: 3002
Loc: Dorset, UK
Had my allseason vredestein on my smart roadster chattering my abs today slowing for a roundabout.

I reckon its the greasey film left by the gritters at the moment.

So summer tyres on your pride and joy should be left in the garage if you have a heavy boot.
_________________________
Mark - driving
Archie the Old English Sheep Mog...........
2010 Roadster 3.0 V6 (S3) wink

Top
#552476 - 07/01/19 11:15 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: Hamwich]
Jack The Lad Offline
Posting Desperado
Talk Morgan Guru

Registered: 12/04/11
Posts: 7769
Loc: The frozen North
Spot on Tim my shooting about left me a good while ago to many bloody idiots on the road these days who see a mog as a thing to race .

Why not go straight for a good road legal 'track day' tyre like the Avon ZZS, soft, grippy and will only last around 8,000 - 10,000 miles if you drive gently, but, hell, that's likely to be 3 years use for the average Morgan owner, 2 years for someone who uses their car a fair bit, but the grip in wet and dry conditions will be outstanding.

My car arrived with Yoko Advan A048's fitted and they are so sticky I can't kick out the back end on a roundabout, even with 225bhp, and after 7000 miles the wear is negligable.

Have a look and think seriously about it. [/quote]

Fair point, but:

(a) You can't get tyres like ZZS in 165/16
and
(b) surely the whole point is to be able to slide the back end when you want to, otherwise where's the fun? [/quote]

Top
#552500 - 08/01/19 08:29 AM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
auster Offline
Has a lot to Say!

Registered: 28/03/15
Posts: 1002
Loc: Vienna Austria
Going from Continental (admittedly old and hard) to Vredestein classics dramatically improved grip in both wet and dry. My racing driver friend who did 3 laps of Le Mans in the old Mog said they were excellent.
_________________________
1968 4/4 1600
1950 Auster J5B
Kitfox S5 Outback
Jodel D9
1988 Peugeot 205 GTI 1.9

Top
#552536 - 08/01/19 12:59 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
bmgermany Offline
Learner Plates Off!

Registered: 15/08/14
Posts: 447
Loc: Northern Germany
I changed my 3 years old Contis with TT2.
A dramatic improvement on wet and dry roads!

Much mor grip on dry roads and on wet! And I have to say much better than new Contis!


Edited by bmgermany (08/01/19 01:00 PM)
_________________________
2005 1800ccm 4/4 and a lot of HONDA CX500.......

Top
#552562 - 08/01/19 05:02 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: Hamwich]
minikeefy Offline
Has a lot to Say!

Registered: 13/05/08
Posts: 1019
Loc: Nth. Bucks, England
Originally Posted By Hamwich
I'm on my second set of Vredestein Sprint Classics. I will choose them again the next time I change. Loads of grip, controllable breakaway, good in the wet. For a 4/4 I reckon they are the dog's danglies.


Love my Toyo Proxes T1-R, not sure what size you need and whether they do them but I have 16" rims and 205/55 16s.
_________________________
Keith

Car 54 - 'Le Mans 62' 4/4 Supersport
OxMog Member (and associated with CranMog and SwanMog)

Top
#552563 - 08/01/19 05:07 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
nick w Offline

Talk Morgan Enthusiast

Registered: 31/03/09
Posts: 1990
Thanks very much gentlemen. Looks like Vreds for me then.
My trouble now is finding a local tyre fitter who can handle wire wheels......one place here looked so blank, I don't think he'd ever seen a car with them before!
Nick

Top
#552565 - 08/01/19 05:16 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Stephen888 Offline
L - Learner Plates On

Registered: 22/03/11
Posts: 208
Loc: Cambridge UK
And I love my Toyo Proxes. 27k miles in 4 years and still loads of tread left. But no track or sprinting just road work.
_________________________
1980 +8 Blue
----------------
Stephen

Top
#552569 - 08/01/19 05:32 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Peter J Offline
Formerly known as Aldermog
Member of the Inner Circle

Registered: 13/08/13
Posts: 11084
Loc: Salisbury, UK
Nick,

the Plus 8 had Avon ZZ3s on when I got it. OK grip in the dry, very hard to get hot, even on Castle Combe track. In the wet...grip, what grip.

I fitted Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. the difference is as night and day. Better grip, both wet and dry, the car feels more controlled, certainly at the front so handling is better. Last, they are much quieter on all road surfaces.
I have them on the M140 and when the C43 needs new tyres I'll fit them.
_________________________
Peter,
Tarka the 'Otter Mog
2014 Plus 8



Top
#552570 - 08/01/19 05:34 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Peter J Offline
Formerly known as Aldermog
Member of the Inner Circle

Registered: 13/08/13
Posts: 11084
Loc: Salisbury, UK
Originally Posted By nick w
Thanks very much gentlemen. Looks like Vreds for me then.
My trouble now is finding a local tyre fitter who can handle wire wheels......one place here looked so blank, I don't think he'd ever seen a car with them before!
Nick


This is an important issue: the fitter has to have the correct set of "cones" to put the wire wheel on the balance machine. Very few tyre fitters have this, so shopping around will be essential...or get you Morgan dealer to do it, they all have the machine and the knowledge...
_________________________
Peter,
Tarka the 'Otter Mog
2014 Plus 8



Top
#552579 - 08/01/19 06:26 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Graham, G4FUJ Offline
Salty Sea Dog
Member of the Inner Circle

Registered: 03/07/07
Posts: 21881
Loc: Cheltenham, Glos. UK
Originally Posted By nick w

My trouble now is finding a local tyre fitter who can handle wire wheels...
Nick

Guess you aren't near the W. Midlands then. Paul Harris Tyres near the Belfry - 79 miles away for me, but that's where I get my Vredesteins. He's a classic car (and other vehicles) owner, including a very nice Morgan. Knows his wire wheel balancing! smile
_________________________
Graham (G4FUJ)

D8921 L44FOR '93 4/4 Giallo Fly 2 seat smile
'90 LR 90 SW
'07 MINI Cooper

Top
#552638 - 08/01/19 09:20 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
nick w Offline

Talk Morgan Enthusiast

Registered: 31/03/09
Posts: 1990
Sunny (today anyway) Hampshire here Graham. smile

Top
#552835 - 09/01/19 07:39 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Graham, G4FUJ Offline
Salty Sea Dog
Member of the Inner Circle

Registered: 03/07/07
Posts: 21881
Loc: Cheltenham, Glos. UK
Bit far for Paul Harris then smile
I'm sure someone down that way will know a suitable tyre fitter.
_________________________
Graham (G4FUJ)

D8921 L44FOR '93 4/4 Giallo Fly 2 seat smile
'90 LR 90 SW
'07 MINI Cooper

Top
#552983 - 10/01/19 12:35 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
CooperMan Offline

Talk Morgan Regular

Registered: 19/11/15
Posts: 744
Loc: Yorkshire
Chaps, FYI

If anyone within driving distance of South Yorkshire wants to borrow my set of Balance Cones, I have a set
_________________________
Jon M

Top
#553302 - 11/01/19 07:53 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Nagrom Offline
New to Talk Morgan

Registered: 02/06/12
Posts: 9
Loc: The Netherlands
I own a 4/4 Sport 2014 and changed the tyres from Conti's to Vredestein Sprint Classic, but one size bigger, 185x70x15. Gives a much better roadholding also in wet weather. You have to use the special blocks on your rear axle to move the axle back by 19 mm, otherwise the tyre touches the fender.

Top
#553356 - 12/01/19 06:53 AM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
OZ 4/4 Offline

Talk Morgan Expert

Registered: 25/11/11
Posts: 2527
Loc: Australia - NSW Mid North Coas...
I replaced the original Conti's on my 2011 4/4 last year with Hankook - OPTIMO K715 165/80 R15 87T. Inexpensive and I have been very happy with their performance although I never drive the car hard.
_________________________
A Morgan Identified Fastidious Owner...
2011 4/4 Bespoke, 1981 Delorean DMC 12

Top
#553390 - 12/01/19 10:46 AM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Heinz Online   content

Talk Morgan Addict

Registered: 07/09/09
Posts: 3639
Loc: Cologne, Germany
OZ 4/4, the Hankook Optimo K715 is described as a good tyre and it is still available in Australian area in the right size for the 4/4. When I have a look, it seems that there is not many more to choose from in this size when looking at Australian tyre dealer websites. In the past a bit more active TM member Richard of Australia also had the Hankook Optimo and was very pleased.

In Europe it is still available but no longer offered in 165/80/15. We have the Hankook Kinergy Eco 2 (K435) in the right size but which seems to be more a planet saver tyre and Hankook itself describes the Optimo as a more performance orientated tyre on their website.
There is no guarantie how long a good tyre is available in the needed size in ones part of the world. especially in the size 165/80/15.
E.g. the Vredestein TTrac2 was not availabe in this size for around 2 years and since half a year it is back again.

Top
#553548 - 13/01/19 10:36 AM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: Heinz]
OZ 4/4 Offline

Talk Morgan Expert

Registered: 25/11/11
Posts: 2527
Loc: Australia - NSW Mid North Coas...
Originally Posted By Heinz
OZ 4/4, the Hankook Optimo K715 is described as a good tyre and it is still available in Australian area in the right size for the 4/4. When I have a look, it seems that there is not many more to choose from in this size when looking at Australian tyre dealer websites. In the past a bit more active TM member Richard of Australia also had the Hankook Optimo and was very pleased.

In Europe it is still available but no longer offered in 165/80/15. We have the Hankook Kinergy Eco 2 (K435) in the right size but which seems to be more a planet saver tyre and Hankook itself describes the Optimo as a more performance orientated tyre on their website.
There is no guarantie how long a good tyre is available in the needed size in ones part of the world. especially in the size 165/80/15.
E.g. the Vredestein TTrac2 was not availabe in this size for around 2 years and since half a year it is back again.


You are right Heinz, the Hankook 165/80/15 is one of very few I could find in Australia and I know Richard has been very pleased with them on his 4/4 4 seater. For me, so far so good, very happy with them.
_________________________
A Morgan Identified Fastidious Owner...
2011 4/4 Bespoke, 1981 Delorean DMC 12

Top
#553852 - 14/01/19 08:51 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
IcePack Online   content
Learner Plates Off!

Registered: 17/07/11
Posts: 421
At the moment I have CR6ZZ on my 2011 4/4. When I change them i’d Like to go for the Michelin x climate tyres. (The Avon’s are **expensive) but I see the michelins’ only come in 175/65/15. Where as the avons’ are 175/70/15. I gues they will fit but how well. Any comments.
Thanks.
_________________________
4/4 Ivory 4.1:1 axle, Jaguar XE R-Sport.

Top
#553879 - 14/01/19 11:50 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Heinz Online   content

Talk Morgan Addict

Registered: 07/09/09
Posts: 3639
Loc: Cologne, Germany
I would say the car could come too low. But let’s wait what others think.

Top
#553880 - 14/01/19 11:55 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Heinz Online   content

Talk Morgan Addict

Registered: 07/09/09
Posts: 3639
Loc: Cologne, Germany
What about the Dunlop Sport Classic which is available in the Avon size. But I have heard that most other 175 tyres are wider than the Avons which could be an issue with the 4/4.

Top
#554200 - 16/01/19 10:15 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
IcePack Online   content
Learner Plates Off!

Registered: 17/07/11
Posts: 421
I would like if possible to remain using the tyre size 175/70/R15 as per the CR6ZZ Avon. However I can not find more than 2 manufacturers Avon & Vredestein. (Could not find the Dunlops) Anyone got more info or should I revert to original sizing 165/80/R15 which I changed from when the continentals let go on a round about at 25 mph in the wet causing 10500 quid damage. Funny braking in traffic with the continentals fitted often caused slight rear lock up. That has never happened wet or dry since the CR6ZZ were fitted.
_________________________
4/4 Ivory 4.1:1 axle, Jaguar XE R-Sport.

Top
#554207 - 16/01/19 10:49 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Heinz Online   content

Talk Morgan Addict

Registered: 07/09/09
Posts: 3639
Loc: Cologne, Germany
IcePack, you are unfortunately right, the Dunlop Sport Classic is not available in the size 175/70/15.
I would like to tell you something from my own experience. The tyre size 165/80/15 is better than you think, if you only know the Conti.
The Conti is so incredibly bad that it would be just as scary in 175/70/15.

Give a good 165/80/15 a try and you will be amazed. For example I drive Vredestein TTrac2. This is really very good and fits very well to the car. The difference between Conti and TTrac2 is really like night and day. Of course there are also other tyres.

But if you consider that 4 TTrac2 cost about 220 GBP and 4 Avon CR6ZZ cost, I don't know exactly about 2000 GBP I estimate, then I would give the TTrac2 a chance. You won't lose any money if you only drive it one summer, if you don't like it just change back but you won‘t be disappointed.

Top
#554352 - 17/01/19 04:55 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: IcePack]
Burgundymog Offline

Talk Morgan Addict

Registered: 11/05/14
Posts: 3427
Loc: Essex
Originally Posted By IcePack
I would like if possible to remain using the tyre size 175/70/R15 as per the CR6ZZ Avon. However I can not find more than 2 manufacturers Avon & Vredestein. (Could not find the Dunlops) Anyone got more info or should I revert to original sizing 165/80/R15 which I changed from when the continentals let go on a round about at 25 mph in the wet causing 10500 quid damage. Funny braking in traffic with the continentals fitted often caused slight rear lock up. That has never happened wet or dry since the CR6ZZ were fitted.


I think you have answered your own question, stick with the Avons. 4 new tyres for 1k no brainer if you want to drive spiritedly and stay alive. No Auto-land on a Morgan ooo
_________________________
Keith
2013 narrow bodied + 4 Ruby. Wolf performance Re-map suspension mods and K&N cone filter.

Top
#554392 - 17/01/19 07:48 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: Heinz]
Hamwich Offline

Talk Morgan Guru

Registered: 28/04/08
Posts: 7278
Loc: Gloucestershire, UK
Originally Posted By Heinz

I would like to tell you something from my own experience. The tyre size 165/80/15 is better than you think


Definitely. My car has 165bhp and is absolutely fine on 165 section tyres. It's all very well thinking that one must have as wide a tyre as possible for ultimate grip, but one pays a very heavy price in steering feel and agility.

Sure, the Roadsters and Plus 8s, with their 200+bhp need wider rubber to get their power down, but not the smaller stuff.
_________________________
Tim H.
1986 4/4 VVTi Sport, 2002 LR Defender, 1957 R4 CV, 2005 Ferrari Vipar

Top
#554398 - 17/01/19 08:04 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Heinz Online   content

Talk Morgan Addict

Registered: 07/09/09
Posts: 3639
Loc: Cologne, Germany
One of the best cars ever in curves was and is the 60s Lotus Elan. Its tire width was originally 145. The latest models had ultra wide tires, 165.

Top
#554399 - 17/01/19 08:05 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: Hamwich]
Heinz Online   content

Talk Morgan Addict

Registered: 07/09/09
Posts: 3639
Loc: Cologne, Germany
Originally Posted By Hamwich
Originally Posted By Heinz

I would like to tell you something from my own experience. The tyre size 165/80/15 is better than you think


Definitely. My car has 165bhp and is absolutely fine on 165 section tyres. It's all very well thinking that one must have as wide a tyre as possible for ultimate grip, but one pays a very heavy price in steering feel and agility.

Sure, the Roadsters and Plus 8s, with their 200+bhp need wider rubber to get their power down, but not the smaller stuff.


Plus a light car gets worse on wide tyres in the rain also.

Top
#554401 - 17/01/19 08:14 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: Heinz]
Hamwich Offline

Talk Morgan Guru

Registered: 28/04/08
Posts: 7278
Loc: Gloucestershire, UK
Originally Posted By Heinz

Plus a light car gets worse on wide tyres in the rain also.


Indeed!
_________________________
Tim H.
1986 4/4 VVTi Sport, 2002 LR Defender, 1957 R4 CV, 2005 Ferrari Vipar

Top
#556561 - 29/01/19 03:33 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
nick w Offline

Talk Morgan Enthusiast

Registered: 31/03/09
Posts: 1990
Well thanks Heinz et al. I had the Vreds fitted and the car is massively better. Wish I'd done it from new. It may be that continental tyres need more weight on them than the 4/4 in order to grip, but these Vredsteins are so much better it can hardly be true.
Thanks again all for your inputs.
Nick


Edited by nick w (29/01/19 03:33 PM)

Top
#556566 - 29/01/19 04:17 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Heinz Online   content

Talk Morgan Addict

Registered: 07/09/09
Posts: 3639
Loc: Cologne, Germany
I'm glad to hear that, Nick. There is a nice additional benefit with the T Trac2 compared to the Conti CT22. The T Trac2 weighs 1.4 kg less. This is not insignificant, as this weight behaves like a dynamic rotating mass at the outside of the wheel. This is even more important than another rim, which would be 1.4 kg lighter.

https://www.vintagetyres.com/shop/vredestein-t-trac-2

https://www.vintagetyres.com/shop/continental-ct22

You can feel the slightly better suspension work as well. In my experience I have pumped up 1.7 to 1.8 bar. The tyre delivers better suspension than the Conti with 1,6 bar because the material of the sidewall offers better compliance (at least during the first three years). At the same time the cornering ability is very stable because the sidewall makes a good guidance.

Top
#556574 - 29/01/19 04:42 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
nick w Offline

Talk Morgan Enthusiast

Registered: 31/03/09
Posts: 1990
That's interesting Heinz. I've only gone to 20 psi so I'll try at 25 to see.
Thanks,
Nick

Top
#556591 - 29/01/19 06:06 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Heinz Online   content

Talk Morgan Addict

Registered: 07/09/09
Posts: 3639
Loc: Cologne, Germany
Nick, perhaps try 24 at the front and 25 at the rear also. You can really fine tune over or understeer. (less pressure at the front means a tad of a move towards oversteer...or to compensate understeer).

Top
#556851 - 30/01/19 09:24 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
nick w Offline

Talk Morgan Enthusiast

Registered: 31/03/09
Posts: 1990
Great advice as always Heinz. Went to 24/5 and the car is alot tighter without being ridiculously harsh. It's very interesting to me as I could never go higher than 21 in the roadster without it becoming far too hard.
Ta again,
Nick

Top
#556878 - 31/01/19 12:02 AM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Heinz Online   content

Talk Morgan Addict

Registered: 07/09/09
Posts: 3639
Loc: Cologne, Germany
Nick, although the 4/4 is lightweight, I suspect the better suspension of the tyre also has to do with the different geometry of a 165/80/15. The sidewall is much higher in relation to the width. A Roadster tyre even with less air pressure gets harder quickly at a ratio of 60 or 65.

Top
Page 1 of 5 1 2 3 4 5 >

Moderator:  Aeroman, Boshly, Simon