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#552386 - 07/01/19 04:00 PM Tyre advice/reminders please
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Today I spun the back wheels in 3rd gear......ok I used to do it in my roadster regularly, but I'm talking about my 4/4!
So I have to accept that my continentals are 4 years old and whilst they show no signs of wear, they have absolutely no grip on a damp surface.
I remember talk of vredsteins, yokos and avons.....did we ever reach a consensus of what's the best tyre on a 1600 4/4 (2014)?
Any comments appreciated.
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#552388 - 07/01/19 04:04 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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I'm on my second set of Vredestein Sprint Classics. I will choose them again the next time I change. Loads of grip, controllable breakaway, good in the wet. For a 4/4 I reckon they are the dog's danglies.
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#552389 - 07/01/19 04:08 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Tresco Offline
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I changed ours to vredsteins T trac2 last year but it was at the end of the year so haven't done much driving with them yet so can't really say too much about them but them seem ok. There wasn't much choice about from tyre fitters so got them online and had them fitted.


Edited by Tresco (07/01/19 04:10 PM)
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#552399 - 07/01/19 04:48 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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I had Conti's on my 2L 4/4 when I purchased it in the mid 1980s had others on over the years . Popped Conti's back on around the end of summer last year . Let the mog garage it was at try it out . Then took it to certain roads I know. Held the roads like a jocks hand on his wallet and I did stretch it . Maybe you are expecting your 4/4 to do what the roadster did and down grading the ride in your 4/4 because of this.

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#552403 - 07/01/19 05:01 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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Cant remember which car mag it was in ( likely Car, maybe EVO) but there recently was a comparative test of tyres done scientifically. Sod all difference between the major brands. I think that Goodyear came out best, possibly Michelin but one of the two.

I'll look it up if you want

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#552410 - 07/01/19 05:44 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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Thanks Howard, but don't worry. I'm more interested in the comments from owners who've actually fitted alternatives and what they think of them. Thanks for the thought though.
Nick

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#552414 - 07/01/19 05:58 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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FWIW the European tyre labelling does give an indication of the relative performance.

On a scale of A (best) to F (worst) the Conti has an E rating for wet grip whereas the Vredestein T-Trac2 has a wet grip rating of B.

The Vredestein Sprint Classic is exempt from tyre labelling as it's designed for Pre 1990 Classic Cars.

There is also a Dunlop Sport which I think has a B wet grip rating.

All 165/80R15
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#552423 - 07/01/19 06:49 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: Hamwich]
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Originally Posted By Hamwich
I'm on my second set of Vredestein Sprint Classics. I will choose them again the next time I change. Loads of grip, controllable breakaway, good in the wet. For a 4/4 I reckon they are the dog's danglies.


I agree entirely. The standard Continentals are OK on a dry surface, but when the road is even slightly damp, you go directly from low grip to no grip. The Vredesteins give more feel and allow more reaction time.

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#552430 - 07/01/19 07:08 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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I have no experiences with the Vredestein sprint classic. In this forum most are happy with them, in other forums concerning other cars and sizes the experiences are more mixed.

In spring I will purchase my second set of T Trac2. I was totally satisfied and have them since 3 plus years and almost 48000 km wear. They are still good in the dry but they have significant wear so in the wet they have seen better days and regarding the price I must not wait any longer.

I‘m curious about the Dunlop sport classic because they have a good reputation since their launch 2 years ago, at least tested in other sizes.

But in Germany a new TTrac2 costs 48€ and so I skip the more classic look. The Dunlop sport classic costs 145€ one piece.
And from the side side view the TTrac2 looks also very clean smooth and classic.

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#552432 - 07/01/19 07:10 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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Frankly I don't know why anyone running a light, low mileage car would ever consider a standard 'road' tyre, sure you will get 15000 - 20000 miles out of it, but it will be hard within 2 -3 years, 4 at the outside and probably less than half worn.

Why not go straight for a good road legal 'track day' tyre like the Avon ZZS, soft, grippy and will only last around 8,000 - 10,000 miles if you drive gently, but, hell, that's likely to be 3 years use for the average Morgan owner, 2 years for someone who uses their car a fair bit, but the grip in wet and dry conditions will be outstanding.

My car arrived with Yoko Advan A048's fitted and they are so sticky I can't kick out the back end on a roundabout, even with 225bhp, and after 7000 miles the wear is negligable.

Have a look and think seriously about it.
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#552435 - 07/01/19 07:25 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: PaulJ]
Hamwich Online   content

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Originally Posted By PaulJ
Frankly I don't know why anyone running a light, low mileage car would ever consider a standard 'road' tyre, sure you will get 15000 - 20000 miles out of it, but it will be hard within 2 -3 years, 4 at the outside and probably less than half worn.

Why not go straight for a good road legal 'track day' tyre like the Avon ZZS, soft, grippy and will only last around 8,000 - 10,000 miles if you drive gently, but, hell, that's likely to be 3 years use for the average Morgan owner, 2 years for someone who uses their car a fair bit, but the grip in wet and dry conditions will be outstanding.

My car arrived with Yoko Advan A048's fitted and they are so sticky I can't kick out the back end on a roundabout, even with 225bhp, and after 7000 miles the wear is negligable.

Have a look and think seriously about it.


Fair point, but:

(a) You can't get tyres like ZZS in 165/16
and
(b) surely the whole point is to be able to slide the back end when you want to, otherwise where's the fun?
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#552441 - 07/01/19 07:57 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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Had my allseason vredestein on my smart roadster chattering my abs today slowing for a roundabout.

I reckon its the greasey film left by the gritters at the moment.

So summer tyres on your pride and joy should be left in the garage if you have a heavy boot.
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#552476 - 07/01/19 11:15 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: Hamwich]
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Spot on Tim my shooting about left me a good while ago to many bloody idiots on the road these days who see a mog as a thing to race .

Why not go straight for a good road legal 'track day' tyre like the Avon ZZS, soft, grippy and will only last around 8,000 - 10,000 miles if you drive gently, but, hell, that's likely to be 3 years use for the average Morgan owner, 2 years for someone who uses their car a fair bit, but the grip in wet and dry conditions will be outstanding.

My car arrived with Yoko Advan A048's fitted and they are so sticky I can't kick out the back end on a roundabout, even with 225bhp, and after 7000 miles the wear is negligable.

Have a look and think seriously about it. [/quote]

Fair point, but:

(a) You can't get tyres like ZZS in 165/16
and
(b) surely the whole point is to be able to slide the back end when you want to, otherwise where's the fun? [/quote]

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#552500 - 08/01/19 08:29 AM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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Going from Continental (admittedly old and hard) to Vredestein classics dramatically improved grip in both wet and dry. My racing driver friend who did 3 laps of Le Mans in the old Mog said they were excellent.
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#552536 - 08/01/19 12:59 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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I changed my 3 years old Contis with TT2.
A dramatic improvement on wet and dry roads!

Much mor grip on dry roads and on wet! And I have to say much better than new Contis!


Edited by bmgermany (08/01/19 01:00 PM)
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#552562 - 08/01/19 05:02 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: Hamwich]
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Originally Posted By Hamwich
I'm on my second set of Vredestein Sprint Classics. I will choose them again the next time I change. Loads of grip, controllable breakaway, good in the wet. For a 4/4 I reckon they are the dog's danglies.


Love my Toyo Proxes T1-R, not sure what size you need and whether they do them but I have 16" rims and 205/55 16s.
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#552563 - 08/01/19 05:07 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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Thanks very much gentlemen. Looks like Vreds for me then.
My trouble now is finding a local tyre fitter who can handle wire wheels......one place here looked so blank, I don't think he'd ever seen a car with them before!
Nick

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#552565 - 08/01/19 05:16 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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And I love my Toyo Proxes. 27k miles in 4 years and still loads of tread left. But no track or sprinting just road work.
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#552569 - 08/01/19 05:32 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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Nick,

the Plus 8 had Avon ZZ3s on when I got it. OK grip in the dry, very hard to get hot, even on Castle Combe track. In the wet...grip, what grip.

I fitted Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. the difference is as night and day. Better grip, both wet and dry, the car feels more controlled, certainly at the front so handling is better. Last, they are much quieter on all road surfaces.
I have them on the M140 and when the C43 needs new tyres I'll fit them.
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#552570 - 08/01/19 05:34 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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Originally Posted By nick w
Thanks very much gentlemen. Looks like Vreds for me then.
My trouble now is finding a local tyre fitter who can handle wire wheels......one place here looked so blank, I don't think he'd ever seen a car with them before!
Nick


This is an important issue: the fitter has to have the correct set of "cones" to put the wire wheel on the balance machine. Very few tyre fitters have this, so shopping around will be essential...or get you Morgan dealer to do it, they all have the machine and the knowledge...
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#552579 - 08/01/19 06:26 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Graham, G4FUJ Offline
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Originally Posted By nick w

My trouble now is finding a local tyre fitter who can handle wire wheels...
Nick

Guess you aren't near the W. Midlands then. Paul Harris Tyres near the Belfry - 79 miles away for me, but that's where I get my Vredesteins. He's a classic car (and other vehicles) owner, including a very nice Morgan. Knows his wire wheel balancing! smile
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#552638 - 08/01/19 09:20 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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Sunny (today anyway) Hampshire here Graham. smile

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#552835 - 09/01/19 07:39 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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Bit far for Paul Harris then smile
I'm sure someone down that way will know a suitable tyre fitter.
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#552983 - 10/01/19 12:35 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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Chaps, FYI

If anyone within driving distance of South Yorkshire wants to borrow my set of Balance Cones, I have a set
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#553302 - 11/01/19 07:53 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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I own a 4/4 Sport 2014 and changed the tyres from Conti's to Vredestein Sprint Classic, but one size bigger, 185x70x15. Gives a much better roadholding also in wet weather. You have to use the special blocks on your rear axle to move the axle back by 19 mm, otherwise the tyre touches the fender.

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#553356 - 12/01/19 06:53 AM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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I replaced the original Conti's on my 2011 4/4 last year with Hankook - OPTIMO K715 165/80 R15 87T. Inexpensive and I have been very happy with their performance although I never drive the car hard.
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#553390 - 12/01/19 10:46 AM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
Heinz Offline

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OZ 4/4, the Hankook Optimo K715 is described as a good tyre and it is still available in Australian area in the right size for the 4/4. When I have a look, it seems that there is not many more to choose from in this size when looking at Australian tyre dealer websites. In the past a bit more active TM member Richard of Australia also had the Hankook Optimo and was very pleased.

In Europe it is still available but no longer offered in 165/80/15. We have the Hankook Kinergy Eco 2 (K435) in the right size but which seems to be more a planet saver tyre and Hankook itself describes the Optimo as a more performance orientated tyre on their website.
There is no guarantie how long a good tyre is available in the needed size in ones part of the world. especially in the size 165/80/15.
E.g. the Vredestein TTrac2 was not availabe in this size for around 2 years and since half a year it is back again.

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#553548 - 13/01/19 10:36 AM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: Heinz]
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Originally Posted By Heinz
OZ 4/4, the Hankook Optimo K715 is described as a good tyre and it is still available in Australian area in the right size for the 4/4. When I have a look, it seems that there is not many more to choose from in this size when looking at Australian tyre dealer websites. In the past a bit more active TM member Richard of Australia also had the Hankook Optimo and was very pleased.

In Europe it is still available but no longer offered in 165/80/15. We have the Hankook Kinergy Eco 2 (K435) in the right size but which seems to be more a planet saver tyre and Hankook itself describes the Optimo as a more performance orientated tyre on their website.
There is no guarantie how long a good tyre is available in the needed size in ones part of the world. especially in the size 165/80/15.
E.g. the Vredestein TTrac2 was not availabe in this size for around 2 years and since half a year it is back again.


You are right Heinz, the Hankook 165/80/15 is one of very few I could find in Australia and I know Richard has been very pleased with them on his 4/4 4 seater. For me, so far so good, very happy with them.
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#553852 - 14/01/19 08:51 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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At the moment I have CR6ZZ on my 2011 4/4. When I change them i’d Like to go for the Michelin x climate tyres. (The Avon’s are **expensive) but I see the michelins’ only come in 175/65/15. Where as the avons’ are 175/70/15. I gues they will fit but how well. Any comments.
Thanks.
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#553879 - 14/01/19 11:50 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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I would say the car could come too low. But let’s wait what others think.

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#553880 - 14/01/19 11:55 PM Re: Tyre advice/reminders please [Re: nick w]
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What about the Dunlop Sport Classic which is available in the Avon size. But I have heard that most other 175 tyres are wider than the Avons which could be an issue with the 4/4.

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