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Re: Poor starting? [Re: TBM] #552731
09/01/19 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted By TBM
She struggles to start after being left a couple of days, and this morning (6.30am and cold) took a real effort to get her going.

Once warm, or a day after use she starts on the button.

To me, this points to the battery - a new one was fitted in Nov 16, but she's been mainly say around since then and done minimal mileage.

Any other thoughts?

If in agreement, any recommendations for a battery, or will one from my local motor factors be sufficient? She gets used at least two or three times a week.

I don't think you have a real problem at all, just an excuse to brag about starting your Morgan at 6.30 am on a freezing cold morning when most of us were still tucked up in a nice warm bed.

I struggle to get started these days at 6.30 on a freezing cold morning.

Maybe I should plug myself into a battery conditioner overnight.


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Re: Poor starting? [Re: TBM] #552738
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Re: Poor starting? [Re: TBM] #552743
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I had similar with my silver top zetec,fitted a high torque starter never had a problem since

Re: Poor starting? [Re: IvorMog] #552750
09/01/19 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted By IvorMog
I don't think you have a real problem at all, just an excuse to brag about starting your Morgan at 6.30 am on a freezing cold morning when most of us were still tucked up in a nice warm bed.

I struggle to get started these days at 6.30 on a freezing cold morning.

Maybe I should plug myself into a battery conditioner overnight.


Not through choice! Mrs. nicked my other car as she's having her clutch done - and it was far preferable to dragging a bike out smile


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Re: Poor starting? [Re: TBM] #552779
09/01/19 05:05 PM
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She's charging nicely at about 14.4V, so no issues there.

Battery Voltage was showing at over 13V before I tested her (after 25mile drive home). Probaby won't drive her now till Saturday, so will check the voltage drop before I start her.

I also wonder if I'm 'over choking' her on start up? I usually try her on full choke first - I might try 1/2 to 3/4 to see if that makes a difference.


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Re: Poor starting? [Re: TBM] #552794
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There's a good chance it may not need a lot of choke. Two or three pumps of the throttle pedal may be enough.

Last edited by Ray; 09/01/19 05:44 PM.

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Re: Poor starting? [Re: TBM] #552842
09/01/19 08:06 PM
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Presumably you still have the mechanical fuel pump Phil?
My '76 would turn over very slowly if left for more than a couple of days. But you say it's turning over quickly.

Check all earth connections (I added a couple of extra ones to my '76 which eased things a little). Also fitted an electronic (321) distributor and high spec coil, doing away with the points and ballast resistor.


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Re: Poor starting? [Re: Graham, G4FUJ] #552844
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Originally Posted By Graham, G4FUJ
Presumably you still have the mechanical fuel pump Phil?
My '76 would turn over very slowly if left for more than a couple of days. But you say it's turning over quickly.

Check all earth connections (I added a couple of extra ones to my '76 which eased things a little). Also fitted an electronic (321) distributor and high spec coil, doing away with the points and ballast resistor.


Yep - mechanical pump (new last year). Electronic ignition is definitely on the 'list'


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Re: Poor starting? [Re: TBM] #552851
09/01/19 08:33 PM
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Of course you could have a small drain on the battery when it is standing. If the drives after starting are not too long then there will not be enough charge before the next small drain. A trickle charger will cure this, also if you have an immobilizer switch then turning that off would indicate if there is a drain or not. Otherwise try disconnecting the battery when not in use and see how it performs when reconnected, this will indicate if there is a naughty drain taking place.


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Re: Poor starting? [Re: TBM] #553143
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Anyway if it turns out to be the battery then cheapest is on line, probably E Bay or Tanya Batteries. I always opt for the biggest (AH and CCA) the better, the only thing to check out is the physical dimensions of the battery tray/installation space available.

Last edited by PHZI; 11/01/19 06:25 AM.
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