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#552710 - 09/01/19 12:08 PM TV last night street begging is it a con off some
Jack The Lad Offline
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June went off to bed last night so I checked the TV and watched a documentary on people begging in the streets . It made me think as it came over many times some people do it for an extra income of up to 200/00 a day. Hence by far not as many to be seen at night in the same area's . It did make me think . But how do you know , wish I had not watched it as I hate con artists . One lad showed his hands cut and filthy said "If I was like the cons would my hands be like this " He had a point .

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#552716 - 09/01/19 12:40 PM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Jack The Lad]
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Yes was thought provoking. The presenter seemed to be trying hard avoiding, but wanting to, blame someone for the lack of hostel places etc... but didn't ask the basic qu: is it a human right to be free (to do drugs, beg, be mentally ill etc) on the streets, or a society responsibility to ensure and enforce care on those on the streets?

For the record I'm in the latter camp (ie home the helpless, not help the homeless)...

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#552729 - 09/01/19 01:58 PM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Jack The Lad]
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Ch4 had extensive coverage around xmas of 'the homeless ' and people 'living on the streets' . They shelve this until next xmas as if its not news afterwards . So do these people find somewhere to go off the streets or are they only there to make an issue at the festive season ?
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#552754 - 09/01/19 03:24 PM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Jack The Lad]
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We have a "lady" who stands outside our local super market selling the Big Issue.
My wife was speaking to her last week and it turns out that, not only can she afford to go to starbucks for coffee and own a mobile phone but she was getting on the bus to the City where she was catching a train home to her apartment where she lived with her husband and children. She has been living here for 15 years and seems to be doing well than you very much.
How many others do we have like this that are leeching off the system whilst others who truly need our help are going by the wayside?
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#552759 - 09/01/19 03:30 PM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Jack The Lad]
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It's as old as the hills though, isn't it? See Conan Doyle's The Man With The Twisted Lip. The Big Issue was meant to be a leg up when it started, now it seems to have turned into a career. Who knows who's genuine and who isn't? It's a very difficult subject.
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#552787 - 09/01/19 05:34 PM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Jack The Lad]
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I never give beggars money as recommended by all agencies but will buy a coffee and sandwich


One recipient who was sat with his dog remarked he would rather have money and passed the sandwich to his dog !!!
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#552800 - 09/01/19 05:46 PM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Jack The Lad]
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It's not tough, they predate on the wishywashy.

Had a Romanian woman beggar in Florence working the queue of tourists at the Florence (Firenze) Duomo - when I basically internationally said NO, she looked at me with an understanding eye and moved on to the gullible.

Latter on to see her stooped form take a lunch break in her Niké trainers at the cafe opposite and eat her lunch then resume her stooped "oh my poor child" routine after her lunch break., whilst we were still queuing, when she came upon us she remembered me from before with a smile and walked on.

Call me heartless all you like, but if they really need help they should be sleeping on the doorstep of the local council offices.
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#552805 - 09/01/19 06:00 PM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: milligoon]
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Originally Posted By milligoon
Had a Romanian woman beggar in Florence

She could have been Romanian but more likely a Gypsy who are known either as "Rom" or "Zingari" in Italy. Their origin dates back to a 14th and 15th century immigration from India.

I have known proud and hard working Gypsies (in Australia) but unfortunately most that I have come across here are parasites on society. It is a matter of fact that housebreaking thefts always increase when there is an encampment in the region and where they are camped the council is left with a huge cleanup of rubbish when they leave.

If this sounds racist perhaps it is and I make no apology.
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#552819 - 09/01/19 06:33 PM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Jack The Lad]
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So I am not alone in my thoughts after reading the comments . I was in doubt and thought I may stand on someones toes . Well got to go car club night lucky to be going the ink pen in my jeans pocket burst . Move over Charles you are not the only one with blue blood down there . toff

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#552822 - 09/01/19 06:43 PM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Jack The Lad]
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I always avoid giving to them directly for the many examples above but contribute where I think the money is targeted more effectively.
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#552914 - 10/01/19 07:31 AM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Jack The Lad]
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Before Charing Cross Station was renovated/re-developed there was a lane running down to the Embankment. It had a semi permanent row of "homeless beggars" .
They disappeared and I read that the Inland Revenue had investigated and discovered that whilst collecting money they paid no income tax. At £250.00 a day, on average, they were earning more than most people. So they were presented with assumed tax bills...
If I recall correctly one commuted into London from his mortgaged home in the suburbs.
I didn't know if I should be impressed by the entrepreneurial spirit of angry because they were deceiving the customers.
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#552916 - 10/01/19 07:51 AM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Peter J]
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Originally Posted By Peter J

I didn't know if I should be impressed by the entrepreneurial spirit of angry because they were deceiving the customers.


Beggars are purveyors of intangible products, offering their customers the chance to feel good about themselves through the act of giving. So long as they are passive, I don't see a huge problem. They are hardly the worst tax-dodgers in society.

Personally I only ever donate to buskers or street artists, they are at least providing a tangible product.
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#552926 - 10/01/19 08:14 AM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Hamwich]
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Originally Posted By Hamwich
Personally I only ever donate to buskers or street artists, they are at least providing a tangible product.

Me too. We sometimes have a pair of Gypsies busking on the Metro in Milan. If they are good I always give them a coin as they pass through the carriage. They are providing an entertainment service after all and they add a bit of cheer and colour to an otherwise dull and boring journey. Certainly better than those that go begging with a "sick" and drugged child.
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#552931 - 10/01/19 08:35 AM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Hamwich]
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Originally Posted By Hamwich
Beggars are purveyors of intangible products, offering their customers the chance to feel good about themselves through the act of giving.

That's very good, I shall try to remember it.
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#552932 - 10/01/19 08:38 AM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Jack The Lad]
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Of course there are the con-artists out there although some of the reports of the salaries they are on may be rather over-inflated. It’s not just street beggars either; there are outwardly “respectable” people making a good living creaming off for themselves a disproportionate amount of your charitable donation to that good cause.

Behind those though, and often hidden, are the real helpless and homeless. I wouldn’t sleep in a shop doorway or underpass, in the freezing cold, being threatened or urinated on, for any amount of money (ok, £1m might sway me!). Before giving, talk to the person you are giving to - you’ll soon sus them out. I’m with Tim; I give to the buskers and artists.
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#552937 - 10/01/19 08:56 AM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Fox Terrier]
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Originally Posted By Fox Terrier
Of course there are the con-artists out there although some of the reports of the salaries they are on may be rather over-inflated. It’s not just street beggars either; there are outwardly “respectable” people making a good living creaming off for themselves a disproportionate amount of your charitable donation to that good cause.

Behind those though, and often hidden, are the real helpless and homeless. I wouldn’t sleep in a shop doorway or underpass, in the freezing cold, being threatened or urinated on, for any amount of money (ok, £1m might sway me!). Before giving, talk to the person you are giving to - you’ll soon sus them out. I’m with Tim; I give to the buskers and artists.


I agree. I find the whole subject of homelessness very disturbing. I feel there but for the grace of god go I. There well deserving people on the streets, there through divorce, family breakup etc. The questions is how do you separate the wheat from the chaff.
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#552960 - 10/01/19 10:47 AM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Gambalunga]
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Peter, the busking on the metro trains up here . I found amusing and the reason is . The group pay once jump a train ride it so far playing music then jump off at another station and off swapping on another line all day . If a ticket inspector gets on they get off . I see the funny side in that . grin2

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#553042 - 10/01/19 04:45 PM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Jack The Lad]
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Thats why i play the Lottery, it serves mulitple purposes.
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#553051 - 10/01/19 05:06 PM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Dean-Royal]
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Good luck Dean . I don't bother with it .Lost all my mates so money is not that important life is.

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#554497 - 18/01/19 12:23 PM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Jack The Lad]
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I was in Petra a few years ago. A young girl, maybe ten, in near rags was begging with her mother. I gave her some of my change in her outstretched hands at which point her mother beamed at me and smiled showing off a mouthful of gold teeth !! Guess where my money was going !

Years ago I became quite friendly with tramp. Id pass him every day as I walked to work in Leeds, bunging him a fag everyday. From time to time I wonder whatever became of him.

I give beggars a bit of cash now and then. With a few exceptions,I figure most that I pass are genuinely at rock bottom.


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#562177 - 25/02/19 08:07 PM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Jack The Lad]
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Woman faked being homeless to beg from strangers while living on benefits
https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/25/woman-faked-homeless-beg-strangers-living-benefits-8741303/
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#562248 - 26/02/19 10:31 AM Re: TV last night street begging is it a con off some [Re: Jack The Lad]
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London is getting worse for beggars - one even got on my late train from Waterloo last night and addressed the whole carriage asking for exactly £17.

If you have lunch outside in the summer, I would say you're asked for money once every 10 minutes.
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