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#552826 - 09/01/19 06:52 PM ‘Son of Concorde’
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It'll be very interesting to see Steve Jobs idea take to the air this year.




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#552830 - 09/01/19 07:25 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: +8Rich]
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Interesting that the overall shape is very similar to Concorde which was designed in the 1960's

I will be very surprised if this is a commercial success.
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#552836 - 09/01/19 07:44 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: IvorMog]
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Originally Posted By IvorMog
Interesting that the overall shape is very similar to Concorde which was designed in the 1960's

I will be very surprised if this is a commercial success.


Indeed. What killed Concorde was essentially the fact that there actually aren't that many people who are prepared to pay cartloads of money to get somewhere quickly, whereas of course there are millions and millions of people who are prepared to pay money to get somewhere cheaply.

I can't see that things have changed much in the last 40 years or so.
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#552840 - 09/01/19 07:57 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: Hamwich]
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I wonder if the same will apply to HS2 smile
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#552863 - 09/01/19 09:12 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: Graham, G4FUJ]
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Originally Posted By Graham, G4FUJ
I wonder if the same will apply to HS2 smile


No because the people who will be paying the tons of money are us and mostly not the users

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#552878 - 09/01/19 10:30 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: +8Rich]
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SWMBO and I flew in Concorde....a magical experience.

A 55 seat fuel efficient SST will be viable.
Concorde was, technologically, a child of the 60s. Engines and electronics have moved on a lot.

Interesting fact: the replica ME 262 jets built a few years ago used J85 engines. The originals had an endurance of an hour. The replicas, with the same fuel tankage, could cross the Atlantic.....
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#552883 - 09/01/19 10:48 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: +8Rich]
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I wish them luck with it and hope it is successful, there are always people around willing to pay crazy money to save time.

They have a waiting list of people to sample space at £250,000 a go after all.
https://www.facebook.com/VirginGalactic/videos/1928109237242718/

Interesting about those replica 262's.
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#552897 - 10/01/19 04:11 AM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: +8Rich]
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I don't actually think ticket cost is an issue now. When Concorde was 'retired' from service, a typical crossing cost circa £8k... Today, a typical BA first class ticket costs circa £7k... there will be people who will be willing to pay that.

'Overture' will have half the seating capacity of Concord, MUCH more efficient engines, more efficient design etc etc I think will make this quite viable commercially.

Finally a forward step in commercial aviation. Good luck to them :>)

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#552902 - 10/01/19 05:33 AM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: +8Rich]
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I agree, I think a supersonic transatlantic service with a new Concorde type aircraft would be viable

I think wealthy businesses and individuals will pay to get across quickly as they did with Concorde previously

It was the ongoing high cost of maintenance and insurance after the Concorde crash coupled with the age of the craft that killed the commercial viability so a new aircraft would make sense

It’s how you factor in the cost of development and the cost of production that will be the real critical factor

But then as we’ve seen with Branson’s and Musks space flights, these vanity (actually a bit harsh as it’s more about pushing the boundaries and human endeavour) projects don’t seem to be money making projects as their aim
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#552913 - 10/01/19 07:16 AM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: Stewart S]
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BA made money flying Concorde even after the Air France crash.
Air France never made money flying Concorde.

Concorde stopped flying because the French CAA withdrew type approval and refused to let the UK CAA approve the aircraft as a UK only machine. They did this by leaning on the French side of the production partnership, It was mainly a political decision.
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