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#553003 - 10/01/19 01:56 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: +8Rich]
Philippo Offline
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Registered: 03/12/07
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Very interesting topic.

From having spoking to quite a few people close to Concorde and Airbus, my understanding of the reason operations stopped is that the real cost of support had become incredibly high due in no small part to the fleet being so small.

Personally I think supersonic flight will return relatively soon, but with a smaller aircraft seating maybe 6-20 pax, and for VVIP owners only.

Cheers

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#553057 - 10/01/19 05:12 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: pandy]
Hamwich Offline

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Registered: 28/04/08
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Originally Posted By pandy

Yes, it has been costly, but large infrastructure projects generate employment, and stimulate the economy; projects such as railway lines should be looked at in the longer term. Just consider that most of the UK rail network dates back to Victorian times, and the public benefit that it has provided. Increasing capacity by building new lines to take pressure off the existing infrastructure has to be a good thing (unless it's going through your back garden perhaps....)


If you look at the cost of HS2 though I can't help thinking there would be far more benefit to be gained by more general upgrades to the entire network rather then one flagship line. Why is most of the network still dependent on crappy old diesels, for example? And why are we still waiting for promised signalling improvements on our local line to allow more than one train an hour to run through Stroud?
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#553058 - 10/01/19 05:14 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: MOG 615]
Peter J Offline
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Originally Posted By MOG 615
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There was another theory about Concorde’s demise.

Those 4 Olympus jets (with afterburners?) had a very high heat signature in the sky. This made them an easy target for a terrorist group with access to heat seeking missiles. The high profile travellers who used Concorde also made them an attractive target.

Just a theory that I was informed about by someone in the aerospace industry.


A valid point, another is that there is no way to put a secure cockpit door between the cabin and flight deck.

I always wondered why the 9-11 terrorists didn't hijack a Concorde departing KFK and fly it at Mach 2.02 into the US Capitol building. The kinetic energy would have been massive, not to mention all the fuel.

Concorde cruised at 65,000 ft, Mach 2.02. The only RAF interceptor of the day capable of catching it was the BAE Lightning... The USA had nothing, other than the F104.
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#553089 - 10/01/19 07:05 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: Philippo]
+8Rich Offline

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Originally Posted By Philippo
Very interesting topic.

From having spoking to quite a few people close to Concorde and Airbus, my understanding of the reason operations stopped is that the real cost of support had become incredibly high due in no small part to the fleet being so small.

Personally I think supersonic flight will return relatively soon, but with a smaller aircraft seating maybe 6-20 pax, and for VVIP owners only.

Cheers

Philip




Like you Philip I think we are very close to this becoming reality, people are at last realising that "time is the most valuable commodity".
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#553104 - 10/01/19 08:09 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: +8Rich]
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Nah, time is relative, water is the only truly valuable commodity. laugh2

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#553110 - 10/01/19 08:51 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: ewn]
Rob Thornton Offline

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Originally Posted By ewn
Nah, time is relative, water is the only truly valuable commodity. laugh2

Could be why we like top-down Morgans then!
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#553125 - 10/01/19 10:50 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: +8Rich]
Jacques Offline
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Some frenchies at Toulouse this year !



Nota : The founder and first president in 1974 of the french Morgan Club (french section of the MSCC), Patrick Boisvieux was steward on Concorde.
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#553126 - 10/01/19 10:54 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: Jacques]
+8Rich Offline

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Thanks for sharing that picture Jacques that is a great shot, and interesting bit of history about your club.
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#553133 - 10/01/19 11:37 PM Re: ‘Son of Concorde’ [Re: Philippo]
Aeroman Offline

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Originally Posted By Philippo
Very interesting topic.

From having spoking to quite a few people close to Concorde and Airbus, my understanding of the reason operations stopped is that the real cost of support had become incredibly high due in no small part to the fleet being so small.

Personally I think supersonic flight will return relatively soon, but with a smaller aircraft seating maybe 6-20 pax, and for VVIP owners only.

Cheers

Philip


From a friend we have that works for BA, that is also their interpretation of the future for supersonic flight. With the exponential expansion of billionaires in the world, it appears there is a gap in the market for a small supersonic plane.

Regarding Concorde, I agree with Tim’s assessment that the jumbo jet answered the transport requirement at the time, rather than supersonic flight. Having said that both Head Office and I thoroughly enjoyed our transatlantic flight on it, even if it took 3-hours to get our luggage as the baggage handlers were on strike! oldgit
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