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#553075 - 10/01/19 06:32 PM Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46822706

Not pleasant for those involved , are other manufacturers going to suffer or is it just JLR ?


Edited by madmax (10/01/19 06:36 PM)
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#553081 - 10/01/19 06:46 PM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: madmax]
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Ford to "redesign" European business, released today and sent to me by my SIL who works for them in future product planning. The axe will be on the way for quite a few poor workers I'm afraid.
The VAG tie up is likely to be about Ford marketing their commercial vehicles in the States amongst other common shared interest areas.
To quote him some is fact and some of it journo interpretation!


"redesign"

So JLR are not alone.
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#553120 - 10/01/19 10:32 PM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: madmax]
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Registrations are down pretty much across the board in passenger cars (-6.83%) , light commercial ( -1.3%) and heavy commercial sectors (-9.9% rigid, -4.1% artics, -5.6% Bus and Coach)

There are a couple of manufacturers who are showing an increase in 2018 vs 2017 - McLaren, Volvo, Mitsubishi, but they are a rare beast.

I suspect that JLR are only at the front end of a bit of an industry clear out.

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#553122 - 10/01/19 10:42 PM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: madmax]
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JLR treat their European customers like suckers by unbundling included features that come with the UK and USA models as standard. These unbundled features are then sold as options to a vehicle that is already significantly more expensive in Europe than in the UK or the USA.

I can well imagine that this policy has severely effected sales in Europe. Perhaps if they had been less greedy they would have more sales and been able to actually make more profit.



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#553123 - 10/01/19 10:43 PM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: madmax]
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On a brighter note though, I have just read that Lamborghini sales increased by 51% in 2018 vs 2017 - pretty much all of the growth coming from the launch of their 4x4.....

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#553128 - 10/01/19 11:10 PM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: MJF]
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Originally Posted By MJF
On a brighter note though, I have just read that Lamborghini sales increased by 51% in 2018 vs 2017 - pretty much all of the growth coming from the launch of their 4x4.....


That is a success story for sure, they are slowly finding their way back to tractor making I see grin2. Sorry it's just me I know it's what the public want but oh dear..
That much growth must be unique - what sort of volume are they turning out I wonder.
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#553132 - 10/01/19 11:34 PM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: madmax]
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Lamborghini had two models in 2017. The Aventador and the Huracan. Here their recap from Jan. 2018

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With 1,095 units the USA remains the largest single market, followed by Japan (411), UK (353), Germany (303), Greater China (265), Canada (211) and the Middle East (164). Most of them increased deliveries significantly and marked national historic sales records.

Also both major model lines achieved record sales, thus contributing to the growth. The sales of the V12 model Lamborghini Aventador grew by 6% from 1,104 to 1,173 units. Even stronger was the sales increase of the V10 model Lamborghini Huracán, growing by 12% from 2,353 to 2,642 units.



Now they have 3 models. Aventador, Huracan and the super SUV Urus sick2 crazy3 :skull:

And here's the January 2019 recap

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With 1,595 units the USA remains the largest single market, followed by the UK (636), Japan (559), Germany (463), Greater China (342), Canada (316) and Italy (295). All these markets increased deliveries substantially and marked national historic sales levels.



Both super sports car model lines achieved record sales, thus contributing to the growth. Sales of the V12 Lamborghini Aventador, born in 2011, is still exceptionally strong and grew by 3% from 1,173 to 1,209 units. Even stronger was the sales increase of the V10 Lamborghini Huracán, growing by 5% from 2,642 to 2,780 units. As expected, a substantial contribution to the global sales increase came from the Super SUV Urus, with 1,761 units delivered to customers since its market introduction in July 2018.


More interesting is to compare their greatest markets evolution:


COUNTRY - 2018 - 2019 - Growth %

US OF A - 1095 - 1595 - 45%

JAPAN - 411 - 559 - 36%

UNITED K. - 353 - 636 - 80%

GERMANY - 303 - 463 - 53%

CHINA - 265 - 342 - 29%

CANADA - 211 - 316 - 50%

M. EAST - 164 - ??? - ???%

ITALY - ??? - 295 - ???%
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#553134 - 10/01/19 11:41 PM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: MarioCP]
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Originally Posted By MarioCP
Lamborghini had two models in 2017. The Aventador and the Huracan. Here their recap from Jan. 2018

Quote:

With 1,095 units the USA remains the largest single market, followed by Japan (411), UK (353), Germany (303), Greater China (265), Canada (211) and the Middle East (164). Most of them increased deliveries significantly and marked national historic sales records.

Also both major model lines achieved record sales, thus contributing to the growth. The sales of the V12 model Lamborghini Aventador grew by 6% from 1,104 to 1,173 units. Even stronger was the sales increase of the V10 model Lamborghini Huracán, growing by 12% from 2,353 to 2,642 units.



Now they have 3 models. Aventador, Huracan and the super SUV Urus sick2 crazy3 :skull:

And here's the January 2019 recap

Quote:

With 1,595 units the USA remains the largest single market, followed by the UK (636), Japan (559), Germany (463), Greater China (342), Canada (316) and Italy (295). All these markets increased deliveries substantially and marked national historic sales levels.



Both super sports car model lines achieved record sales, thus contributing to the growth. Sales of the V12 Lamborghini Aventador, born in 2011, is still exceptionally strong and grew by 3% from 1,173 to 1,209 units. Even stronger was the sales increase of the V10 Lamborghini Huracán, growing by 5% from 2,642 to 2,780 units. As expected, a substantial contribution to the global sales increase came from the Super SUV Urus, with 1,761 units delivered to customers since its market introduction in July 2018.


More interesting is to compare their greatest markets evolution:


COUNTRY - 2018 - 2019 - Growth %

US OF A - 1095 - 1595 - 45%

JAPAN - 411 - 559 - 36%

UNITED K. - 353 - 636 - 80%

GERMANY - 303 - 463 - 53%

CHINA - 265 - 342 - 29%

CANADA - 211 - 316 - 50%

M. EAST - 164 - ??? - ???%

ITALY - ??? - 295 - ???%



Wow Mario thanks for that comprehensive answer and very interesting the UK figures. The big family tractor being the way ahead it seems ooo
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#553138 - 11/01/19 01:29 AM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: madmax]
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I'm sorry that the video below is in German. But if you see the pictures...
It's not a direct reference to JLR, but it's the reference to the fundamental diesel hysteria that JLR suffers from.
The point is that many millions of cars will soon no longer be allowed to drive in German cities. And this affects many millions of car drivers who can no longer afford to live in the cities, but who have their jobs there.

It is about all car manufacturers blocking the hardware retrofit with a particulate filter for older diesel engines.
But in the case of this BMW, the fact is that it was equipped with a particulate filter in the USA right from the start. You can see that in the video. The absurd thing is that you can officially buy this particulate filter in Germany as an original BMW spare part. It is a German product that is shipped back from the US warehouses.

The film shows how dramatically NO2 emissions are reduced in this case. And it also shows that the BMW has all the cutouts so that the particulate filter and an add blue tank can be easily installed.

BMW has not given an answer to this question.

As a result, the car is much cleaner after installation than the limit values for a driving ban. But...it may not drive, because the car with the change is not certified. A single acceptance would cost much more than the residual value of the car.

The bottom line is that the industry does not want it and neither does the legislator.

So many people with low incomes should buy a new car. This will drive people into the arms of extreme parties. It really is an absurd situation. Four candles in an apartment produce 1000 micrograms of NO2. And on the street it should be maximum 40 micrograms. Ridiculous.

https://youtu.be/UXN9Wsg8-Qo

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#553144 - 11/01/19 06:40 AM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: madmax]
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This is the start of the change to switching to eVs.

People will be holding off buying a new fossil only car waiting to see what is coming in choice of full eV.

The Rivian announced at the LA show should be a big wake up call to the likes of LandRover.

You can already see this in JLR responses with new planned production.

It's no good waiting for legislation to end the sales of ICE new cars they have to seriously switch now to survive.

More than ever the Chinese auto manufacturers will make big inroads to the traditional automakers market share.

Stick your heads in the sand all you like change is coming and I think it may get here sooner than you think.

Turbulent times for traditional vehicle manufacturers.
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