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#553393 - 12/01/19 10:54 AM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: Hamwich]
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Originally Posted By Hamwich
Originally Posted By milligoon
This is the start of the change to switching to eVs.

People will be holding off buying a new fossil only car waiting to see what is coming in choice of full eV.

The Rivian announced at the LA show should be a big wake up call to the likes of LandRover.

You can already see this in JLR responses with new planned production.

It's no good waiting for legislation to end the sales of ICE new cars they have to seriously switch now to survive.

More than ever the Chinese auto manufacturers will make big inroads to the traditional automakers market share.

Stick your heads in the sand all you like change is coming and I think it may get here sooner than you think.

Turbulent times for traditional vehicle manufacturers.


Completely agree. If the traditional vehicle manufacturers think that people want to carry on buying the sorts of cars they currently manufacture then they are grievously mistaken.

Legislation or not, people's purchasing choices are changing.

I have just invented a new type of vehicle that I reckon would revolutionise private car ownership. Imagine a 2 or 3-seater Smart-size car with an electric motor and a range of say 30 miles or so. Ideal for short commutes, popping into town, etc.

Now enable it to be paired with an articulated trailer section, powered by a high-efficiency petrol engine, which can be equipped with flexible seating/load carrying arrangements, like the back half of an SUV. Because of the powered trailer you also get AWD advantages, and there would of course be full audio-visual linkage between the units.

Additional trailer types configured for special requirements (vans, canoes/small boats,specialist sporting equipment etc) would be available either for purchase or could be hired from your local dealer.

Now you have the perfect family vehicle. I hereby donate this idea to the world. Thank me later.


They have them in the USA they are called pick ups & they tow trailer sized caravans plus a little car like an A class Merc.
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#553397 - 12/01/19 11:03 AM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: Fat Wolfie]
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Originally Posted By Fat Wolfie
A business consultant (in my experience) is someone who will borrow your watch and then tell you what the time is...


And as someone who has been a professional business consultant for many years, I would counter with the experience that a client is often unable to tell the time for themselves, which is why they ask for help doing it smile
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#553402 - 12/01/19 11:15 AM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: madmax]
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Tim,
I have also worked as a consultant.

I have seen people including myself genuinely help companies.

But I have also seen consultants destabilise companies to get more work as that is how they are rewarded. I know that is a minority but it happens especially if the top client hasn't got the guts to sort out the mess he /she knows is there.
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#553407 - 12/01/19 11:21 AM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: John V6]
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Originally Posted By John V6

But I have also seen consultants destabilise companies to get more work as that is how they are rewarded. I know that is a minority but it happens especially if the top client hasn't got the guts to sort out the mess he /she knows is there.
John


Very true - especially of the bigger companies in my experience.
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#553416 - 12/01/19 11:50 AM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: milligoon]
howard Offline
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Originally Posted By milligoon
This is the start of the change to switching to eVs.

People will be holding off buying a new fossil only car waiting to see what is coming in choice of full eV.

The Rivian announced at the LA show should be a big wake up call to the likes of LandRover.

You can already see this in JLR responses with new planned production.

It's no good waiting for legislation to end the sales of ICE new cars they have to seriously switch now to survive.

More than ever the Chinese auto manufacturers will make big inroads to the traditional automakers market share.

Stick your heads in the sand all you like change is coming and I think it may get here sooner than you think.

Turbulent times for traditional vehicle manufacturers.


Electric cars are 4.2% of the UK market. Were JLR to switch now as you suggest they would go out of business.

The JLR issue is simple:
1/ first ever downturn in vehicle sales in China which is JLRs biggest market
2/ JLR are 90% diesel - they dont have a decent petrol engine suitable for an upmarket car since they canned the 6 cylinder. Only the Ingenium 4 pot.
3/ The XE is a failure in attempting to take on the 3 series /C class.
4/ Brexit has damaged UK demand but the rest of the world is teetering on the edge of an economic downturn.
5/ They dont have the size / R&D budget to develop hybrids and so are going for all electric instead.

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#553442 - 12/01/19 01:23 PM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: howard]
Jon G4LJW Offline
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Registered: 21/01/10
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Originally Posted By howard

5/ They dont have the size / R&D budget to develop hybrids and so are going for all electric instead.


I have seen a hybrid Range Rover at a show, and on their website, so I was surprised by your point 5!
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#553458 - 12/01/19 04:09 PM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: Jon G4LJW]
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I work in the auto industry, we develop components for JLR and all its competitors.
JLR have already developed a Hybrid platform on sale now in the Range Rover, this technology will be shortly available on many other models. For example Discovery and the new Defender will be offered in Hybrid form.
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#557152 - 01/02/19 11:39 AM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: madmax]
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More news from JLR.

Wayne Burgess one of the senior designers has moved to open Geelys UK design studio. A great move for him if the freedom Geely permits continues.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/jaguar-designer-joins-geely-head-uk-design-centre

Well it looks like the management are taking the situation seriously as you would expect. Today they announced that the Range Rover Coupe was to be cancelled. The limited run (100?) £240,000 special is no longer top of the list. Customers who placed orders are being informed. A brave move where a car is released and customer orders taken so I applaud them for taking it.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/range-rover-sv-coup%C3%A9-axed.

Let's hope the Defender is a success.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/reborn-land-rover-defender-crucial-firm%E2%80%99s-2019-revival

If it is too similar to the other models they are in trouble as the range overlap seems quite difficult. At £50-55k you could be sitting in a Disco Sport, Disco, Evoque and Velar. Oh and probably a Defender soon as well?


Edited by Alistair (01/02/19 11:39 AM)
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#557212 - 01/02/19 03:22 PM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: Alistair]
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Originally Posted By Alistair

Let's hope the Defender is a success.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/reborn-land-rover-defender-crucial-firm%E2%80%99s-2019-revival

If it is too similar to the other models they are in trouble as the range overlap seems quite difficult. At £50-55k you could be sitting in a Disco Sport, Disco, Evoque and Velar. Oh and probably a Defender soon as well?


I have hopes that it will:
1) Tow 3,500 kg
2) Have a variant that costs circa £30k in base form

I think I am safe on the first of these. Knowing JLR, the second is in significant doubt.
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#557213 - 01/02/19 03:26 PM Re: Jaguar/Landrover Job cuts [Re: madmax]
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I think they've lost the plot. Too many confusing overlaps.

Ford is the same with their SUVs. The TV ad is pushing them but they look almost the same.
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