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#554500 - 18/01/19 12:40 PM When to give up driving ?
pandy Offline

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The Duke of Edinburgh's accident yesterday does raise the question of when one should give up driving.

About 10 years ago, my father's driving was causing my siblings and I some concern. It had got to the point where we had decided that we needed to broach the subject and point out to him that maybe he was no longer safe behind the wheel, when on his 80th birthday he pre-empted us by announcing that he had decided to stop driving.

It was a relief to all of us, as it was not a discussion any of us had been looking forward to.

We're now getting to that point with my mother (82 now). In fairness, she was always a pretty dreadful driver so the difference is not so noticeable as it had been with my Pa. The Duke's accident may provide a suitable pretext to raise the subject.

My parents live right in the centre of Winchester and one of my sisters lives just around the corner, so helps them a lot. I'd happily pay a taxi account for them, but think it would be hard to get them to accept this, as they are of a generation who see riding around in taxis as an extravagance.
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#554502 - 18/01/19 12:52 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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I agree Giles. Winchester is also so blocked with traffic that at least speed will not often be achieved!. We had the same issue with my Father who was strongly independent and proud as a pilot. We watched him go the wrong side of a junction one day and decided we had to stop things.

In the end we got him to agree to the outcome of an assessment by an advanced driving instructor. The instructor cut him down to day time and short journeys with a review the following year, which he failed.
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#554506 - 18/01/19 01:11 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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It’s a real concern

My father is 85 and he loves driving although he’s having 3 monthly eye tests

He’s just scraped his new Mercedes along a hedge and wall because he was blinded by the sun when a lorry was coming the other way on a narrow road (similar to the Duke’s problem) which he sorted without going through his insurance but he would be devistated if he wasn’t allowed to drive
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#554510 - 18/01/19 01:35 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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The loss of independance and fear of no car is a huge step to take. We become drawn in to driving and the lifestyle it gives. We are also reluctant to accept our failings and deterioration that creeps up. Some are bloody minded and don’t listen to good advice and these are the difficult cases.
Not being able to drive, especially the Morgan, would be a HUGE wrench to me but at some time it will happen. I just hope I deal with it sensibly.
Until then I will enjoy it and make use of the ability to drive. Selling cars and using the saved money on taxis, public transport is an option but not for our current lifestyle and needs.
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#554511 - 18/01/19 01:45 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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I naturally want to keep driving as long as possible. However I hope I have enough common sense and will power to accept my future age related failing and stop before forced. I my head this is probably going to be in my late 70s/early 80s. 97 just seems well beyond ones physical/mental/agility capabilities for modern driving!


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#554512 - 18/01/19 02:04 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
Stringers Best Mate Offline

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It's all about offering options as alternatives. They see it as independence, which you need to replace with opportunities. Public transport is free with the option of a taxi as a treat, on-line grocery shopping takes away the fear of being stuck in bad weather and family and friends pulling together makes a nice positive.

It came down to cost in the end with my 91 year old father. His car broke down and wouldn't start, and the garage that collected it diagnosed the ECU. A new one was almost £1000 which he quite rightly baulked at, but they found a second hand one which he paid a couple of hundred for, but that too was on it's last legs.

We talked over the costs, and the savings he could make by getting rid with insurance, tax etc and he so desperately wanted to carry on that he talked of getting another car, but the thought of struggling with a model he'd never driven was all getting too much.

He mulled it over for a few weeks, during which time we offered lifts to his regular farm shop run, and he caught the bus to the town.

In the end, he was quite relieved to have the worry of driving taken away. He was never an enthusiast though, and drove because he thought that was the only way.

In the D of E's case, I'd put money on him hitting the wrong pedal, it being an auto. He's just a belligerent ass though.

Options are the key though. Never force anyone, it must be their decision.
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#554514 - 18/01/19 02:27 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
Alistair Offline
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Well hopefully by the time we have to hand over the keys to our P&J's the shared use, electric, self driving Zanussi trolly baskets will let us get about.
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#554526 - 18/01/19 02:58 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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They have a Joe Public foc use your car etc to pick people up from home and take people back home from hospitals up here . You get nothing for it but its one way of helping a hospital and the elderly .

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#554529 - 18/01/19 03:03 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: Stringers Best Mate]
Paul F Offline

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Originally Posted By Stringers Best Mate


Options are the key though. Never force anyone, it must be their decision.


That is the key. My father missed seeing a cyclist (didn't hit him) and frightened himself into giving up 3 years ago at 85. I think he gave up too soon, but it was his decision and I did not want to interfere. Parents live on a good bus route (every 15 minutes) and use a taxi to get home with their main shop. Dad looks on the brght side as he is spending a lot less on taxis than he did on running a car. FIL had a minor bump and gave up at 85 (ish). A friend ended up having terrible rows with his father after a bump and confiscation of car keys.

Counting ourselves lucky on this one.

Hoping I have the wisdom to give up at the right time but not looking forward to it.
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#554533 - 18/01/19 03:08 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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Somewhere I read about a service that was provided where for a small fee, or as volunteers, younger people drive the car of an older car owner. It seemed to me like a reasonable solution. Before my father in law gave up driving he used to make short trips around town but if a longer trip was required he would recruit me to drive him in his car. Lunch was the usual "pay" smile
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#554534 - 18/01/19 03:14 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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I think listening to the radio this morning The D of E has admitted being blinded by the low Winter Sun and pulled out from a narrow private country lane onto a busy road and onto an oncoming car

My dad has to wear tinted overspecs and now finds the suns glare problematic
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#554553 - 18/01/19 04:54 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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He should have been driving a Volvo. My new XC40’s safety systems would not let me pull out in front of an on coming car, sun or no sun.
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#554555 - 18/01/19 05:14 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
Bervie1 Offline

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My farther drove well into his nineties and kind of phased himself out, initially for longer journeys he’d either get the train or myself to take him, then he phased out going through town but was lucky enough to have a close relative next door who took him shopping. He cherished the car just to drive down a very steep hill from his house and go was a walk on the flat but have the car to come back up the hill. He was very reluctant to give up completely and it was when his little car wouldn’t make another MOT that he stopped. I can understand anyone’s reluctance to stop but hope I have enough sense to stop when I am no longer fit or able.

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#554576 - 18/01/19 06:44 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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I am now 60 years old and I strongly vote for compulsory driving skill testing every year as soon people get retired. I know this my be against my personal interest in 10years time but it was against my personal interest to wait for a driving license until I got 18.

I know this could be some kind of self protection because also in the years to come I will rate myself an excellent driver.
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#554592 - 18/01/19 08:34 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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#554593 - 18/01/19 08:36 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: Stewart S]
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Originally Posted By Stewart S
I think listening to the radio this morning The D of E has admitted being blinded by the low Winter Sun and pulled out from a narrow private country lane onto a busy road and onto an oncoming car

My dad has to wear tinted overspecs and now finds the suns glare problematic



Strange.....the car he hit was approaching from an easterly direction and the sun was low in the west!

It must be very difficult to make that decision to give up driving particularly if you’ve loved it all your life. He’s lucky that he could keep driving on the royal estates if he still needs his kicks.
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#554594 - 18/01/19 08:42 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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Well the good lady wife does own all the roads. hide wink
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#554597 - 18/01/19 08:48 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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Its nuts driving when you are nearly hundred, but at the other end of the scale, I have been driving past a nearby lamp post with dozens of bunches of flowers tied to it.

You know whats coming - reading the local weekly paper today and four teenagers in a car lost control and a sixteen year old girl is dead.
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#554600 - 18/01/19 08:52 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: Northernmorgan]
Stewart S Offline
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Originally Posted By Northernmorgan
Originally Posted By Stewart S
I think listening to the radio this morning The D of E has admitted being blinded by the low Winter Sun and pulled out from a narrow private country lane onto a busy road and onto an oncoming car

My dad has to wear tinted overspecs and now finds the suns glare problematic



Strange.....the car he hit was approaching from an easterly direction and the sun was low in the west!

It must be very difficult to make that decision to give up driving particularly if you’ve loved it all your life. He’s lucky that he could keep driving on the royal estates if he still needs his kicks.


Actually according to tonight’s news, the D of E was turning at a T junction from a normal road not a private lane end but they did mention being dazzled by low sun again
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#554607 - 18/01/19 09:34 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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#554645 - 19/01/19 08:44 AM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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#554651 - 19/01/19 09:13 AM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
howard Offline
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Its a practical issue. Yes the risks must rise a bit as you get to your later years though the stats dont back that up from what I have seen. The biggest issue is the availability of alternatives. Where I live we have no bus service and in any case how would you cope with the Tesco shop on a bus? I suppose the answer is delivery but that doesnt get you out of the house and there are other issues anyway - like getting rubbish down to the dumpit site 20 miles away.
Move house you say? But even at my current 73, the idea of the upheaval that involves fills me with horror. particulalry if it means moving near the kids and getting fathered by my son. He has had that tendency for the last 20 years as is.

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#554662 - 19/01/19 10:01 AM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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A friend of mine in Cornwall is probably the last person who drove traction engines for a living. He is well into his 90’s. A couple of years ago he took the advanced driving test (or whatever it’s called) and passed easily.
“Why did you do that Jim?”
“So that if some bu**er drives in to me they can’t say I’m not fit to be on the road”

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#554753 - 19/01/19 03:47 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: Tim W]
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Originally Posted By Tim W
A friend of mine in Cornwall is probably the last person who drove traction engines for a living. He is well into his 90’s. A couple of years ago he took the advanced driving test (or whatever it’s called) and passed easily.
“Why did you do that Jim?”
“So that if some bu**er drives in to me they can’t say I’m not fit to be on the road”

Tim


A few years ago we had an old boy who daily drove a round trip of 40 miles to visit his wife in a nursing home. One day he was involved in a minor RTC and had his licence revoked until test passed, he did pass the test a few months later....his age 100 yrs. It's about ability not age, part of my role is assessing elderly drivers as to Fitness to drive, incidentally I am approaching 75 yrs and still hold Response and Pursuit permits.
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#554754 - 19/01/19 03:47 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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Good for him. I did the advanced test on my bike early in the millenium. I very much doubt that I would pass it now.

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#554813 - 19/01/19 07:28 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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We have just persuaded my MIL to sell her car and give up at 92 years of age. Sadly it was 20years overdue, she was terrible. As soon as she agreed to stop my brother in law phoned We Buy any Car and took her car down before she changed her mind. I do feel a little sorry for her as it is a bit of independence that you know will never return but I also know it was the right thing to do.
I dread to think of the day when it will be my turn having been a petrol head all my life especially as it seems to be getting closer at an increasingly rapid rate. In Nov last year I developed "Septuagenarianism" and it is irreversible !.
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#554818 - 19/01/19 07:45 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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I feel the idea for a new company, perhaps I should approach JP Motorsports. The cotton top track day company.

Caterhams, Mini's, Morgans and a few other things for weekend of sports fun for the more age extended.

Might be a runner rodney ?
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#555129 - 21/01/19 09:50 AM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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#555133 - 21/01/19 10:53 AM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: tmg513]
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Originally Posted By tmg513
. I don't usually complain about other people's posts,but I do feel this one goes beyond humour and is in bad taste. Sorry just the way I see it.
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#555134 - 21/01/19 11:10 AM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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I guess this is an upside of automated cars. By the time I need to give up, hopefully they will be properly developed and in use so that I can still maintain my freedom.

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#555164 - 21/01/19 01:09 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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Wonder if there will be any ataunamas trad body pods around.
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#555268 - 21/01/19 11:08 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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It`s definitively all about options ans alternatives. There is a bunch of research on this topic.
We also tested it with my grandma who never would have given up driving.
It was the free Taxi Option, that she soon called her chauffeur. Her own car was more and more forgotten in the garage as the chauffeur also helped with the bags at her cottage...

Everyone was Happy...

Now I continue work on automated cars;)
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#558887 - 09/02/19 07:12 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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I see Nick the Greek has finally played the white man and handed his drivers license in - quoted in his parlance... Thank God for that before he actually killed someone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47186875
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#558890 - 09/02/19 07:33 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: +8Rich]
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Originally Posted By +8Rich
I see Nick the Greek has finally played the white man and handed his drivers license in - quoted in his parlance... Thank God for that before he actually killed someone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47186875


Very sensible, considering
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#558891 - 09/02/19 07:39 PM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: Stewart S]
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Yes a good move thumbs
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#558941 - 10/02/19 08:27 AM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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This is part of a whole area which most of us are reluctant to enter. As we age, when do we move dwelling to somewhere we can manage. Maybe with support. Sheltered? And this goes with giving up driving so maybe it has to be near the doctors? Then what about moving near the kids? Do you want them supervising? or are they helping? Can you manage stairs or do you need a bungalow?

I'm depressing myself let alone you lot.

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#558957 - 10/02/19 09:34 AM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: pandy]
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Fully agree - good moove for the public.
He should have plenty of alternatives for dayly mobility...

For the rest of the world keeping the licence does not mean being forced to use it. Might just be a good feeling to carry it around. Could give me the feeling of it's my choyce not to drive.

Hopefully a long time to go
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#558988 - 10/02/19 10:57 AM Re: When to give up driving ? [Re: Mkiss]
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Originally Posted By Mkiss
Fully agree - good moove for the public.
He should have plenty of alternatives for dayly mobility...

For the rest of the world keeping the licence does not mean being forced to use it. Might just be a good feeling to carry it around. Could give me the feeling of it's my choyce not to drive.

Hopefully a long time to go



I think that is a very good point about hanging onto your license but not necessarily using it, at least it seems that the opportunity has not passed. Let it be many years away and grant us the wisdom to know when the time has come.
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