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#555469 - 23/01/19 09:45 AM Re: Smiths Round heater [Re: CooperMan]
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Originally Posted By CooperMan
try a bit of a power flush with a hosepipe via the feed pipework


Yeah,I did that in both directions and it seemed pretty clear. Will try again this weekend (weather permitting) to see if I can get rid of any airlock.
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#556347 - 28/01/19 01:28 PM Re: Smiths Round heater [Re: TBM]
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Once had an airlock in a Hillman imp. Engine at back heater matrix at front - nightmare.

Couple of suggestions.

1. squeeze hoses and listen - if you can hear "squelching" noises there is air in there = airlock.
2. Try carefully clamping the pump outlet pipe just after the tee off for the heater to force all the pump pressure thro heater. Do it cold when thermostat is closed.
3. you should check thermostat is working correctly - they do fail open sometimes i which case all the flow will go through the radiator reducing pressure for the heater.
4. lastly - unlikely - water pumps do loose efficiency with age if the blades are eroded.

Best of luck.

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#556358 - 28/01/19 02:14 PM Re: Smiths Round heater [Re: TBM]
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Thank you.
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#556504 - 29/01/19 10:07 AM Re: Smiths Round heater [Re: CooperMan]
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Originally Posted By CooperMan
Originally Posted By TBM

Unfortunately Inlet and Outlet are exactly the same level.


Oh dear, not well designed, this makes you totally reliant on the efficiency of the water pump and the frictional losses of the hoses and matrix core, you may have a partial air lock in the heater - try a bit of a power flush with a hosepipe via the feed pipework


All the Smiths round heaters had inlet and outlet adjacent and at same level.




They relied on water pump typically taking hot feed from cylinder head often with dedicated union at rear of head to shorten pipe run. This feed was via manual gate valve in engine bay or cable operated eqivalent to allow control within vehicle. Return was to pump inlet.

They work fine providing matrix isn't clogged up. Less can be said for the demisting abilities on my Land Rover though innocent



I note mine has a T piece at the outlet with short pipe and bung to allow bleeding.


Edited by Richard Wood (29/01/19 02:35 PM)
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#556513 - 29/01/19 10:55 AM Re: Smiths Round heater [Re: TBM]
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Thank you. Like the idea of making t-piece bleeder. Will try one of those.
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#556536 - 29/01/19 01:52 PM Re: Smiths Round heater [Re: Richard Wood]
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Blimey, a hand throttle (don't see many!), plus an overdrive unit smile
I remember driving home from a swimming session many years ago in my IIa and suddenly wondering why my left foot felt hot, and damp. The heater matrix had sprung a pinhole leak - an almost imperceptible fine jet of water was heading across the cabin onto my left foot! smile
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#556547 - 29/01/19 02:31 PM Re: Smiths Round heater [Re: TBM]
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All the S2 diesels had hand throttles Graham. Essential for PTO and useful when engine very cold. Ironically mine started life as a petrol so conversion must have been very complete although it was a petrol option.

Regarding heater leak and damp legs, it must be similar to driving an M3W in the rain but with the advantage of warm water innocent
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#556552 - 29/01/19 02:51 PM Re: Smiths Round heater [Re: TBM]
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Ah, OK. Mine was a petrol. Learn something new - haven't noticed it in the history books.
First diesel LR I drove was an SIII - no hand throttle.
Had a PTO winch on my 127" (V8 originally) - one person in driver's seat for winching.
I have seen the hand throttle for SIII, we did try to fit one to the IIa, but completely different.
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#556553 - 29/01/19 02:58 PM Re: Smiths Round heater [Re: TBM]
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I had a hand throttle in my '62 S2A - that was a petrol, but had been converted from diesel.

I plumbed in a heater from a mini between the front seats, and had a Clayton square heater which I plumbed in as a demister (it came without any heater!) Used to get VERY toastie....
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#556556 - 29/01/19 03:08 PM Re: Smiths Round heater [Re: TBM]
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My 1978 SIII Diesel had a hand throttle.
Did try using it on the road once. Decided very quickly that this wasn't the best idea I had ever had.
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