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Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: milligoon] #559318
12/02/19 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted By milligoon
I wonder if there will now be more or less road spray covering the cab?


Now that IS an important question!
If it remains dry on the inside of the windscreen, even when the road is damp, I might consider changing.


Peter,
Tarka the 'Otter Mog
2014 Plus 8


Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV] #559411
12/02/19 06:25 PM
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Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV] #559424
12/02/19 07:04 PM
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I am counting the days until the reveal, really looking forward to seeing it

I am hoping that:

a - I like it
b - it's not too expensive (inane optimism!) laugh


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Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: RBW] #559898
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In Auto-Motor-Sport they say the new frame is quite possible from Aston Martin:

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/neuheiten/morgan-sportwagen-aston-martin-vanquish/

I hope the new frame is not for the 4/4 and +4. For me, a real Morgan is a new built vintage car with a modern engine and gearbox. With ladder-frame (same design since 1936), leafspring suspension, kingpings, wooden body frame, slim coachwork.

So the new +8, or this new roadster is not a real Morgan for me in the same way a Porsche Cayenne is not a real Porsche.


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Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV] #559901
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Are you all sure that they will not be using the JLR 4 cylinder and the newly announced straight 6 Ingenium engine ?

Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: MJF] #559943
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Originally Posted By MJF
Are you all sure that they will not be using the JLR 4 cylinder and the newly announced straight 6 Ingenium engine ?

Quite sure they won't be using JLR engines

Last edited by Gambalunga; 15/02/19 12:45 PM.

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Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV] #559945
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I suspect the first incarnation will be a Plus 4 equivalent.

For me the deal breaker is the pedals and steering wheel relationship. If it's Aero/Italian long legs/short arms that's a definite no.

If it passes the comfort test then I'll let the early buyers sort the teething issues, and think about selling both to buy one in a couple of years. When a range may have emerged.

Having to accept a Morgan which discourages DIY fiddling is also off-putting.

So we'll see.


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Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV] #559947
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Is this really going to be used in the Trads? Swapping a £200 chassis for one that is going to be dramatically more expensive would be a bit of a risk I would have thought?


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Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Jens] #559949
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Originally Posted By Jens
In Auto-Motor-Sport they say the new frame is quite possible from Aston Martin:

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/neuheiten/morgan-sportwagen-aston-martin-vanquish/

I hope the new frame is not for the 4/4 and +4. For me, a real Morgan is a new built vintage car with a modern engine and gearbox. With ladder-frame (same design since 1936), leafspring suspension, kingpings, wooden body frame, slim coachwork.

So the new +8, or this new roadster is not a real Morgan for me in the same way a Porsche Cayenne is not a real Porsche.


There are people that say that the last true Morgan was the Flat Rad and before that I'm sure that there were those that said that the 4 wheelers were not true Morgans. It is not possible that nothing ever changes. In fact the change to the ladder frame chassis is 50 years overdue.

If the ladder frame chassis had been modernised and a double wishbone front suspension been implemented in the early 60s that would now be considered the true Trad Morgan.


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Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Jens] #559950
15/02/19 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted By Jens
In Auto-Motor-Sport they say the new frame is quite possible from Aston Martin:


this rumour has been doing the rounds: it is false. AM wanted to sell the Vanquish chassis, but the asking price was far too high: one figure I heard was "over £25m" for the IP, machinery, etc.
there is no way MMC would consider spending that on a chassis that, it can be argued, is no better than the existing Aero S5 Chassis.

I am 100% sure the new chassis has been developed between Morgan and Radshape and will be unique to MMC.

I'm also certain, as Peter is, that the car will not be using JLR engines.


Peter,
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