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Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV] #555989
26/01/19 09:49 AM
26/01/19 09:49 AM
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They should have “zebra’d” the alloy chassis rather than the body. Geneva is at last something worth waiting for!


John
1936 Austin Seven Ulster Replica
Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: waikiore] #556013
26/01/19 12:23 PM
26/01/19 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted By waikiore
Aero plus 8 with a couple of cylinders missing and a fan to make up for it, must make Peter J and the others happy their cars can only firm up in value


They may firm up the value, but that is unimportant unless I want to sell.

Do I?
Don't know yet

I will try one before making any decisions:
I know what the engine is like as I have the same BMW B58 straight 6 in the M140, .
It has a couple of advantages over Plus 8: peak torque from low revs and instant throttle response.

Power: 250 kW (335 hp) at 5,500–6,500 rpm
Torque: 450 N⋅m (332 lb⋅ft) at 1,380–5,200 rpm

Assuming it has the same 8 speed gearbox as the M140 and the new chassis is as stiff as Aero platform, it could well be a better drive.

The M140 weighs 1500kg, it is the sort of car that demands some driver skill: it has a lively back end and even with traction control it is easy to lose traction with a heavy right foot. I'm assuming the Mog will have better developed suspension than the 1 series but no traction control and will be lighter than the M140.
So like the +8 it will be "interesting"

The BIG question is the name!
With a turbo Straight 6 I go for one of the following:

Roadster Turbo
Plus 6

Plus 6 is logical as it fits into +4 and +8
We shall see.

Also, will there be a "modern (Aero like) body as well?


Peter,
Tarka the 'Otter Mog
2014 Plus 8


Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV] #556017
26/01/19 12:41 PM
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Plus straight 6 ? Sounds slightly awkward ?

335bhp versus 378 bhp so down on power

Sound ? Er won't sound like a v8 .

But then there are no Beemer v8's that will fit.

Does the chassis need to be stiffer ?

Last edited by madmax; 26/01/19 12:44 PM.

Geneva 2016 plus 8' The Green Godess' 4 side exits .


Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV] #556020
26/01/19 12:54 PM
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That is funny, first came camouflage, then we saw dazzle camouflage, now anti-camouflage. As you say if it had not been dazzled up then it would have got clean away. Anyway good for Morgan, the more PR and coverage the better.

Well I only hope that the slight delay in moving forwards does not mean that they are just finally testing the first diesel model....ahem rofl

I would love to have a heard a video with sound rather than the picture so we could confirm it is the new engine/chassis development mule!

Still happy with my bent-8 noise generator.


Just time to burn a little more petrol before dinner.
Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV] #556021
26/01/19 01:05 PM
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Another question might be around the rowdy exhaust option?

A V8 goes well with the boomtube dual side pipes and off beat noise. An IL6 with turbo's ? Exhalation is on one side so a single rear/side pair of exits ? Probably rear pair I guess. Also BMW have not been good at getting the volume out of their engines so Morgan can probably do well here.


Just time to burn a little more petrol before dinner.
Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV] #556025
26/01/19 02:16 PM
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do we know that it is a replace for the Plus 8? Could it not be the oft rumoured trad ie 4/4 , plus 4 with at last decent underpinnings. Exotic things like independant suspension and coil springs?

could be of real interest if it was.

Last edited by howard; 26/01/19 02:17 PM.
Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: howard] #556030
26/01/19 02:44 PM
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We know that there is a new chassis.

We believe it will be fitted with a straight 6... Morgan say in the Autocar article it will have an engine "never before fitted in a Morgan". A straight six fits that statement.
We understand it has fully modern independent suspension at both ends.

A previous statement from MMC said it is a bit wider than the trad chassis.
From the front photo it looks to be as wide as a Plus 8, which has about 6 inches more cabin width.

I do not believe that MMC would have invested in a new alloy tub just for 1 car.
I do not believe that that chassis is for a V8.
BMW has a newer Turbo 4.4L V8, the N62, but it is getting a bit old, introduced first in 2008, but still very much in use. It produces up to 440 bhp.
I do wonder if that engine will appear in the existing Aero tub, or more logically, in a second and modified version of the new tub in a couple or 3 years.

We also know that the BMW engines are semi modular, in as much as they all have a 500cc cylinder. So it seems to me that this new car is the start of a new series, 3 cylinder 1500cc, 4 cylinder 2.0L and the 6 cylinder 3L.

But I could be wrong....!


Peter,
Tarka the 'Otter Mog
2014 Plus 8


Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Peter J] #556031
26/01/19 02:44 PM
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You can't call it a Plus 6 because that name should have been given to the V6 Roadster.


John

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Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV] #556034
26/01/19 02:55 PM
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Speed Six unless Bentley have it wrapped up......

But my understanding was that the Roadster would carry on for a while as it is. Maybe until the engine stock runs out.
The 4/4 is continuing for non-EU markets.....

So my logic suggests a 2.0 Plus 4. If it had around 200bhp it would be interesting.


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Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV] #556049
26/01/19 03:55 PM
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Maybe army-specs!!!😜

Very strong marketing indeed!🙄


Ruut Bianchi
Morgan 4/4 4-seater 1990 Royal Ivory
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