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#555900 - 25/01/19 06:58 PM Autocar spies new Mog!
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#555905 - 25/01/19 07:12 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Well, you can certainly see the alloy chassis
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#555906 - 25/01/19 07:15 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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And Aero wheels - only the blind would not recognise it as Aero genes grin2

I preferred the Cheetah spotted French one as a preference wink

I can only surmise it is a very tongue in cheek publicity stunt just to let everyone know a "new" model is imminent.
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#555907 - 25/01/19 07:17 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Thank god they camouflaged it otherwise we would all have seen the radically new body shape.

The best Camouflage would have been to send it out British Racing Green with Tan interior.

Great Marketing. If they had not done the black and white job nobody would have had a clue!

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#555908 - 25/01/19 07:20 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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I know that zebras are striped for confusion of the enemy, and presume that some new cars are striped to try and disguise their exact shapes. It does seem a bit superfluous on a Morgan though - and actually draws attention to the fact that there is something different about it!

[Edit - I typed this just as Eurosystem posted!]


Edited by Jon G4LJW (25/01/19 07:21 PM)
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#555914 - 25/01/19 07:57 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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And the cr@p mirrors still feature banghead

Maybe they work with LHD?

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#555920 - 25/01/19 08:14 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Aero plus 8 with a couple of cylinders missing and a fan to make up for it, must make Peter J and the others happy their cars can only firm up in value
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#555936 - 25/01/19 09:45 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Wonderfully humorous gag that camouflage. Top marks!

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#555940 - 25/01/19 10:04 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Autocar accidentally pulled the wrong photo from their database. This picture although a genuinely a new car under development, was actually taken in 1959.
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#555942 - 25/01/19 10:08 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Esprit]
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I thought it must be 1939 - 45 with the shuttered headlights grin2
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#555951 - 25/01/19 10:50 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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The mirrors will be different.
Otherwise they would have zebrad them as well...
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#555957 - 25/01/19 11:23 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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How much extra for the zebra paint job? And can we get Leopard print for the same price?
And where is the polygon/trapizoid grill that ALL the other manufacturers are using
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#555964 - 26/01/19 02:36 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Anyone notice the LED side lights? obviously the headlamps are covered as the traditionalists won't like the led headlamps.

Looks like the exhaust runs under the middle of the car possibly?
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#555967 - 26/01/19 05:31 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Fat Wolfie]
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Originally Posted By Fat Wolfie
And the cr@p mirrors still feature banghead

Maybe they work with LHD?


laugh2
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#555968 - 26/01/19 05:42 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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How can you tell it’s a Morgan?

Could be anything!
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#555970 - 26/01/19 06:15 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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#555971 - 26/01/19 06:23 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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All those worries I had about major change at MMC have just subsided.

Probably a plus 8 mule with a new engine fitted?


Edited by deano (26/01/19 10:31 AM)
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#555972 - 26/01/19 07:32 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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#555975 - 26/01/19 07:45 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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"Prospect View"
Someone with a sense of humour but it does give it away that it is a posed photo.
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#555984 - 26/01/19 08:51 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Thank goodness we now know what the future Morgan car is !! Glad they haven't messed about with the design !
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#555989 - 26/01/19 09:49 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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They should have “zebra’d” the alloy chassis rather than the body. Geneva is at last something worth waiting for!
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#556013 - 26/01/19 12:23 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: waikiore]
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Originally Posted By waikiore
Aero plus 8 with a couple of cylinders missing and a fan to make up for it, must make Peter J and the others happy their cars can only firm up in value


They may firm up the value, but that is unimportant unless I want to sell.

Do I?
Don't know yet

I will try one before making any decisions:
I know what the engine is like as I have the same BMW B58 straight 6 in the M140, .
It has a couple of advantages over Plus 8: peak torque from low revs and instant throttle response.

Power: 250 kW (335 hp) at 5,500–6,500 rpm
Torque: 450 N⋅m (332 lb⋅ft) at 1,380–5,200 rpm

Assuming it has the same 8 speed gearbox as the M140 and the new chassis is as stiff as Aero platform, it could well be a better drive.

The M140 weighs 1500kg, it is the sort of car that demands some driver skill: it has a lively back end and even with traction control it is easy to lose traction with a heavy right foot. I'm assuming the Mog will have better developed suspension than the 1 series but no traction control and will be lighter than the M140.
So like the +8 it will be "interesting"

The BIG question is the name!
With a turbo Straight 6 I go for one of the following:

Roadster Turbo
Plus 6

Plus 6 is logical as it fits into +4 and +8
We shall see.

Also, will there be a "modern (Aero like) body as well?
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#556017 - 26/01/19 12:41 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Plus straight 6 ? Sounds slightly awkward ?

335bhp versus 378 bhp so down on power

Sound ? Er won't sound like a v8 .

But then there are no Beemer v8's that will fit.

Does the chassis need to be stiffer ?


Edited by madmax (26/01/19 12:44 PM)
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#556020 - 26/01/19 12:54 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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That is funny, first came camouflage, then we saw dazzle camouflage, now anti-camouflage. As you say if it had not been dazzled up then it would have got clean away. Anyway good for Morgan, the more PR and coverage the better.

Well I only hope that the slight delay in moving forwards does not mean that they are just finally testing the first diesel model....ahem rofl

I would love to have a heard a video with sound rather than the picture so we could confirm it is the new engine/chassis development mule!

Still happy with my bent-8 noise generator.
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#556021 - 26/01/19 01:05 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Another question might be around the rowdy exhaust option?

A V8 goes well with the boomtube dual side pipes and off beat noise. An IL6 with turbo's ? Exhalation is on one side so a single rear/side pair of exits ? Probably rear pair I guess. Also BMW have not been good at getting the volume out of their engines so Morgan can probably do well here.
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#556025 - 26/01/19 02:16 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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do we know that it is a replace for the Plus 8? Could it not be the oft rumoured trad ie 4/4 , plus 4 with at last decent underpinnings. Exotic things like independant suspension and coil springs?

could be of real interest if it was.


Edited by howard (26/01/19 02:17 PM)

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#556030 - 26/01/19 02:44 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: howard]
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We know that there is a new chassis.

We believe it will be fitted with a straight 6... Morgan say in the Autocar article it will have an engine "never before fitted in a Morgan". A straight six fits that statement.
We understand it has fully modern independent suspension at both ends.

A previous statement from MMC said it is a bit wider than the trad chassis.
From the front photo it looks to be as wide as a Plus 8, which has about 6 inches more cabin width.

I do not believe that MMC would have invested in a new alloy tub just for 1 car.
I do not believe that that chassis is for a V8.
BMW has a newer Turbo 4.4L V8, the N62, but it is getting a bit old, introduced first in 2008, but still very much in use. It produces up to 440 bhp.
I do wonder if that engine will appear in the existing Aero tub, or more logically, in a second and modified version of the new tub in a couple or 3 years.

We also know that the BMW engines are semi modular, in as much as they all have a 500cc cylinder. So it seems to me that this new car is the start of a new series, 3 cylinder 1500cc, 4 cylinder 2.0L and the 6 cylinder 3L.

But I could be wrong....!
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#556031 - 26/01/19 02:44 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Peter J]
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You can't call it a Plus 6 because that name should have been given to the V6 Roadster.
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#556034 - 26/01/19 02:55 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Speed Six unless Bentley have it wrapped up......

But my understanding was that the Roadster would carry on for a while as it is. Maybe until the engine stock runs out.
The 4/4 is continuing for non-EU markets.....

So my logic suggests a 2.0 Plus 4. If it had around 200bhp it would be interesting.
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#556049 - 26/01/19 03:55 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Maybe army-specs!!!😜

Very strong marketing indeed!🙄
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#556069 - 26/01/19 04:43 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Ruut Bianchi]
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Originally Posted By Ruut Bianchi
Maybe army-specs!!!😜

Very strong marketing indeed!🙄


For the border control? oops

OK, To be honest i like the new bodywork....


Edited by bmgermany (26/01/19 04:44 PM)
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#556070 - 26/01/19 04:53 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Peter J]
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Originally Posted By Peter J

We believe it will be fitted with a straight 6... Morgan say in the Autocar article it will have an engine "never before fitted in a Morgan". A straight six fits that statement.


Neither has a turbocharged four..or three...

Curiouser and curiouser.
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#556080 - 26/01/19 06:00 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Stringers Best Mate]
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Originally Posted By Stringers Best Mate
Originally Posted By Peter J

We believe it will be fitted with a straight 6... Morgan say in the Autocar article it will have an engine "never before fitted in a Morgan". A straight six fits that statement.


Neither has a turbocharged four..or three...

Curiouser and curiouser.


Nor has a diesel or a Wankel.....or a gas turbine for that matter... getcoat
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#556084 - 26/01/19 06:08 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Stringers Best Mate]
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Originally Posted By Stringers Best Mate
Originally Posted By Peter J

We believe it will be fitted with a straight 6... Morgan say in the Autocar article it will have an engine "never before fitted in a Morgan". A straight six fits that statement.


Neither has a turbocharged four..or three...

Curiouser and curiouser.


More likely to be the N55 rather than the newer B58. BMW selling off the run out engines in stock.
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#556090 - 26/01/19 06:29 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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It wouldn't make any sense to build both the current Roadster and a new chassis with a straight six.

They could end up with a shed full of V6 engines unsold.

Which is why I think until the end of the Roadster production is announced, they won't build a six version of the new chassis.

And I suspect there will be a gap between to generate demand.

Simple!
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#556091 - 26/01/19 06:36 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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No one has been paying enough attention to the developmental work being carried out in Cornwall right in front of your eyes by Griffo stirpot that simple..

Possibly be called a 4/4 T laugh2 with optional urban camo paintwork.

Now the results of this work I really am interested in hearing about - I bet it'll go like it off a stainless shovel woohoo
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#556101 - 26/01/19 07:16 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Felix42]
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You can't call it a Plus 6 because that name should have been given to the V6 Roadster.


Possible Names !
Plus straight six ?
New plus Straight six ?
Plus straight six T ?
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#556104 - 26/01/19 07:56 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: cerealsurfer]
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Originally Posted By cerealsurfer
More likely to be the N55 rather than the newer B58. BMW selling off the run out engines in stock.


If Morgan have to make the jump from the old V8 to a new engine/transmission they would want them to have the longest possible emissions and shelf life? The level of investment cannot be wasted in their balance sheet so needs to be maximised?
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#556108 - 26/01/19 08:20 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Alistair]
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That's one of the more sensible suggestions I've seen in this thread so far Alistair!

As for comments about mirrors, people forget that to meet C&U* regs mirrors have to meet a certain minimum size - the round ones do not do so, so cannot be supplied as OE fit. As someone else has already posted, a simple mod will allow some extra movement in the nearside mirror.

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#556130 - 26/01/19 10:35 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Who remembers a TV programme called Daktari? No idea what its about, but the Mog sparked off a brain cell about a stripy safari car.
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#556137 - 26/01/19 11:33 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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I read with interest that the new chassis is described as ‘twice as stiff’ than the old one

Just so you all know where this technical term ranks in The MMC scale of Chassis Elasticity here is the full approved scale

(The clean version)

1. Floppy as a slice of Emmental on a cheeseburger
2. Flexible
3. Compliant
4. Fairly stiff
5. Stiff as a board
6. Twice as stiff
7. Stiff as a spicy peperami baked in its wrapper
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#556138 - 26/01/19 11:50 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Does that mean the chassis' not made of wood then?

grin2
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#556143 - 27/01/19 07:06 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Jon G4LJW]
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Originally Posted By Jon G4LJW
Does that mean the chassis' not made of wood then?

grin2
So what has been changed?🤔
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#556149 - 27/01/19 09:20 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: The Austrian]
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Did you hear about the mole called Ian who was made from wood and liked reading?

Ashmolean
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#556162 - 27/01/19 11:04 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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I have heard a rumour that MMC have developed a new alloy for the chassis.
They did research with a biotech company.
The alloy , tentatively called “Ashtiminium” is a hybrid of ash, titanium and aluminium.
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#556169 - 27/01/19 11:29 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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No it's made of that new compressed wood which is stronger and lighter. They have had to buy in new tools from gaymers to shape it.
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#556210 - 27/01/19 02:07 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Clipper]
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Who remembers a TV programme called Daktari? No idea what its about, but the Mog sparked off a brain cell about a stripy safari car.


So you think the name of this new car would be *Clarence* ?
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#556213 - 27/01/19 02:16 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: bmgermany]
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Originally Posted By bmgermany
Originally Posted By Clipper




Who remembers a TV programme called Daktari? No idea what its about, but the Mog sparked off a brain cell about a stripy safari car.


So you think the name of this new car would be *Clarence* ?


Does it look like a cross-eyed Lion?
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#556216 - 27/01/19 02:57 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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No that was the S1 Aero.
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#556226 - 27/01/19 04:20 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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#556269 - 27/01/19 08:15 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Do you reckon the camo vynil over the side screens will stop drafts and leaks?
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#556278 - 27/01/19 08:51 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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I suspect this is a mule. Rear wheel-arches are way too large and cabin space seems to be the same as classic roadsters, which is in contrast to what MMC said on presenting the new chassis.

In addition, the new chassis rails are way too visible under the wings, not typical of a production car. It seems also front tyres are of smaller width than rear.

I think they will not lose the opportunity of introducing something new to the well-known styling, and my bet is on a DHC version of the classic Morgan, with winding windows and a boot, or even more radical an integration of body and wings.

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#556279 - 27/01/19 08:53 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: milligoon]
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Originally Posted By milligoon
Do you reckon the camo vynil over the side screens will stop drafts and leaks?


Well if that's the case maybe it should go on the options list wink
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#556285 - 27/01/19 09:24 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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I think it's amazing that somebody said......let's camouflage the easy up.....

That will throw 'em off the scent.
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#556287 - 27/01/19 09:33 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: DaveW]
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Originally Posted By DaveW
I think it's amazing that somebody said......let's camouflage the easy up.....

That will throw 'em off the scent.


Its got to be a joke or Morgan demonstrating a clever sense of humour.

In any case its got us all talking.......
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#556289 - 27/01/19 09:40 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Great PR and a good laugh.
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#556297 - 28/01/19 08:04 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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#556310 - 28/01/19 09:02 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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It could be an elaborate decoy to throw us off the scent. The real plans could be to launch Morgan's first ever SUV.

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#556312 - 28/01/19 09:05 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Can anyone work out what’s written on the side of the bonnet?
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#556313 - 28/01/19 09:11 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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I think it's MMC's response to Paul F's joke

Originally Posted By Paul F
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#556331 - 28/01/19 11:21 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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#556339 - 28/01/19 12:06 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Northernmorgan]
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Can anyone work out what’s written on the side of the bonnet?


Looks like

CX-CEW
PT-B

It’s on the back as well
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#556341 - 28/01/19 12:24 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Stewart S]
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Originally Posted By Stewart S
Originally Posted By Northernmorgan
Can anyone work out what’s written on the side of the bonnet?


Looks like

CX-CEW
PT-B

It’s on the back as well


Agree,
CX-CEW
But on the back it looks more like
PI-U

Looking at the other Autocar Photos it is written on the "Spare wheel bulge" and on the other side of the bonnet.

The car is LHD.

Has it been testing overseas?
Do the markings mean anything to anyone?
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#556350 - 28/01/19 01:46 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Peter J]
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Originally Posted By Peter J
Originally Posted By Stewart S
Originally Posted By Northernmorgan
Can anyone work out what’s written on the side of the bonnet?


Looks like

CX-CEW
PT-B

It’s on the back as well


Agree,
CX-CEW
But on the back it looks more like
PI-U

Looking at the other Autocar Photos it is written on the "Spare wheel bulge" and on the other side of the bonnet.

The car is LHD.

Has it been testing overseas?
Do the markings mean anything to anyone?


Probably just all part of the rouse
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#556373 - 28/01/19 03:41 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Peter J]
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I'm afraid my bar code reader failed - couldn't scan the whole car in one go smile
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#557053 - 31/01/19 10:21 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Good old Jalopnik.

https://jalopnik.com/its-kind-of-amazing-that-morgan-even-bothers-to-camo-th-1832229010

Maybe its a Kia - made me laugh.

But then they put this bit on the end. "Personally, I’m just delighted that Morgan still exists, and is still building cars that look like this."
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#557055 - 31/01/19 10:25 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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That's all good positive TIC humour good on Jalopnik.
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#557063 - 31/01/19 11:19 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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I agree but some of the comments on this thread are funnier
I hope MMC read this thread, it’ll have them in stitches
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#557066 - 31/01/19 11:24 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Stewart S]
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You're right I'm going with Graham's Bar code reader rofl
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#557074 - 01/02/19 12:19 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Code looks like
CX GEN
PT 16
Whateve4 that means.
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#557078 - 01/02/19 03:39 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: +8Rich]
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Originally Posted By +8Rich
You're right I'm going with Graham's Bar code reader rofl


Me too

And Mkiss’s about the mirrors

That really cracked me up
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#557104 - 01/02/19 09:09 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Not sure if it is the stripy wrap or a real change but:
Have they changed the wing shape? As in, do the headlamp pods look like a more integrated part of the wing on this example?
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#557105 - 01/02/19 09:10 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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need to brave for this one

[edit: my mistake wrong post]


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#557130 - 01/02/19 10:46 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Chester.G]
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Originally Posted By Chester.G
need to brave for this one


I'd class that as a "Barn Find".
But restorable.
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#557359 - 01/02/19 09:34 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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This one is rare as its the only one made in the highlands it was on TV tonight . I quite like it.


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#557413 - 02/02/19 09:32 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Paul F]
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Originally Posted By Paul F
Not sure if it is the stripy wrap or a real change but:
Have they changed the wing shape? As in, do the headlamp pods look like a more integrated part of the wing on this example?


There’s a couple of areas that look different and I’m not sure if it’s down to the zebra camouflage or some padding out.
The scuttle shape at the base of the screen seems to lift rather than being flat and the door profiles look different somehow. Probably my eyes dazzled!
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#557417 - 02/02/19 09:43 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Neoprene padding obviously.
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#557420 - 02/02/19 10:10 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Northernmorgan]
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Originally Posted By Northernmorgan
Originally Posted By Paul F
Not sure if it is the stripy wrap or a real change but:
Have they changed the wing shape? As in, do the headlamp pods look like a more integrated part of the wing on this example?


There’s a couple of areas that look different and I’m not sure if it’s down to the zebra camouflage or some padding out.
The scuttle shape at the base of the screen seems to lift rather than being flat and the door profiles look different somehow. Probably my eyes dazzled!


Agree on the base of the windscreen, it looks like there is a sloping valance from the bonnet to the screen

I can’t tell much on the door as the wrap goes over the side screen on to the door with a huge bit unstuck to anything creating a big crease

There must have been a lot of head scratching by the vehicle wrapper with a lot of “f**k it, that’ll have to do”!
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#557430 - 02/02/19 11:52 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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If it didn't have camouflage, it might have gone unnoticed by the great unwashed.

Wonder if car companies do it as a double bluff to get spy shot publicity? thinking
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#557435 - 02/02/19 12:38 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Clipper]
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Originally Posted By Clipper
If it didn't have camouflage, it might have gone unnoticed by the great unwashed.

Wonder if car companies do it as a double bluff to get spy shot publicity? thinking


My thoughts as well.

I have friends with little interest in cars, who have asked if my car is an MG!

A dazzle camouflaged car, is a near guarantee of getting press coverage.
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#557438 - 02/02/19 01:02 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Looking at the images again I think that the rear window looks larger than normal and flat - possibly glass? There is also something over-exaggerated in the offset of the side screens. Perhaps there is a tin top lurking beneath a doubly disguised roof profile?
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#557894 - 04/02/19 05:44 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Just seen some higher resolution photos of the covert Mog and I can reveal the lettering on the car is:

CX-GEN
PT-19

Not that I think it means much
I think it’s all part of the rouse
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#558044 - 05/02/19 11:38 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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(P-ss take 19)?
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#558049 - 05/02/19 12:46 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Rob Thornton]
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Originally Posted By Rob Thornton
Looking at the images again I think that the rear window looks larger than normal and flat - possibly glass? There is also something over-exaggerated in the offset of the side screens. Perhaps there is a tin top lurking beneath a doubly disguised roof profile?


Agree on both points:

the screen shows no signs of flexing and has more rounded corners than usual, through the shape could be down to the dazzle wrap.
It almost looks as if the doors have been made to slope outwards and so the side screen inwards, giving more arm room.
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#558097 - 05/02/19 05:31 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Compare a current Trad with the roof up and notice the centre panel of the roof. On current cars it's quite a drastic drop yet with this it's almost horizontal. The area aft of the side screen looks a tad longer/roomier as well.

There are quite a few subtle signs that this is clearly something new. It's interesting when you compare what you can see in regards to the suspension that is visible to images on the web of current aero chassis in build. I'll leave it at that . wink
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#558104 - 05/02/19 06:18 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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On the first or second picture in the article the steering is turned in. The wheel is slightly inclined. This looks like "modern" Ackermann steering. With the old Trad the wheel would stand straight on the vertical axis.

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#558105 - 05/02/19 06:23 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Heinz]
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Originally Posted By Heinz
On the first or second picture in the article the steering is turned in. The wheel is slightly inclined. This looks like "modern" Ackermann steering. With the old Trad the wheel would stand straight on the vertical axis.


I'd expect it has front suspension evolved from the Aero S5, so upper and lower wishbones, coil over springs/shocks and an ARB.
The back is probably the same, or it could be as in the original Aero. Morgan has a patent on that.

In that photo the difference in front/rear tyre width seems big: the S4 Aero has 245 rear, 225 front. The fronts look narrower than 225...I'm assuming 18"wheels.
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#559155 - 11/02/19 11:11 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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so:
update of the aero-chassis
update of the trad-bodywork
new engine
and???

I'm bloody curious
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#559160 - 11/02/19 11:44 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: 1560]
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Originally Posted By 1560
so:
update of the aero-chassis
update of the trad-bodywork
new engine
and???

I'm bloody curious


My guess the cabin will be wider and a bit longer, more like the Aero +8.
Essentially a refined and improved Aero chassis with a new Turbocharged 6 cylinder motor delivering between 300 and 350 bhp, fed through an 8 speed auto box with paddle shift, though there could be a 6 speed manual option, to a LSD.

I expect the driving experience will be like a refined and updated Aero +8. In my vew it could be a superb car.
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#559243 - 11/02/19 07:49 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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I wonder if there will now be more or less road spray covering the cab?
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#559318 - 12/02/19 09:12 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: milligoon]
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Originally Posted By milligoon
I wonder if there will now be more or less road spray covering the cab?


Now that IS an important question!
If it remains dry on the inside of the windscreen, even when the road is damp, I might consider changing.
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#559411 - 12/02/19 06:25 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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really looking forward to this machine
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#559424 - 12/02/19 07:04 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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I am counting the days until the reveal, really looking forward to seeing it

I am hoping that:

a - I like it
b - it's not too expensive (inane optimism!) laugh
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#559898 - 15/02/19 09:32 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: RBW]
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In Auto-Motor-Sport they say the new frame is quite possible from Aston Martin:

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/neuheiten/morgan-sportwagen-aston-martin-vanquish/

I hope the new frame is not for the 4/4 and +4. For me, a real Morgan is a new built vintage car with a modern engine and gearbox. With ladder-frame (same design since 1936), leafspring suspension, kingpings, wooden body frame, slim coachwork.

So the new +8, or this new roadster is not a real Morgan for me in the same way a Porsche Cayenne is not a real Porsche.



Edited by Jens (15/02/19 09:51 AM)
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#559901 - 15/02/19 09:40 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Are you all sure that they will not be using the JLR 4 cylinder and the newly announced straight 6 Ingenium engine ?

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#559943 - 15/02/19 12:44 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: MJF]
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Are you all sure that they will not be using the JLR 4 cylinder and the newly announced straight 6 Ingenium engine ?

Quite sure they won't be using JLR engines


Edited by Gambalunga (15/02/19 12:45 PM)
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#559945 - 15/02/19 12:55 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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I suspect the first incarnation will be a Plus 4 equivalent.

For me the deal breaker is the pedals and steering wheel relationship. If it's Aero/Italian long legs/short arms that's a definite no.

If it passes the comfort test then I'll let the early buyers sort the teething issues, and think about selling both to buy one in a couple of years. When a range may have emerged.

Having to accept a Morgan which discourages DIY fiddling is also off-putting.

So we'll see.
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#559947 - 15/02/19 01:18 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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Is this really going to be used in the Trads? Swapping a £200 chassis for one that is going to be dramatically more expensive would be a bit of a risk I would have thought?
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#559949 - 15/02/19 01:52 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Jens]
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Originally Posted By Jens
In Auto-Motor-Sport they say the new frame is quite possible from Aston Martin:

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/neuheiten/morgan-sportwagen-aston-martin-vanquish/

I hope the new frame is not for the 4/4 and +4. For me, a real Morgan is a new built vintage car with a modern engine and gearbox. With ladder-frame (same design since 1936), leafspring suspension, kingpings, wooden body frame, slim coachwork.

So the new +8, or this new roadster is not a real Morgan for me in the same way a Porsche Cayenne is not a real Porsche.


There are people that say that the last true Morgan was the Flat Rad and before that I'm sure that there were those that said that the 4 wheelers were not true Morgans. It is not possible that nothing ever changes. In fact the change to the ladder frame chassis is 50 years overdue.

If the ladder frame chassis had been modernised and a double wishbone front suspension been implemented in the early 60s that would now be considered the true Trad Morgan.
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#559950 - 15/02/19 02:22 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Jens]
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Originally Posted By Jens
In Auto-Motor-Sport they say the new frame is quite possible from Aston Martin:


this rumour has been doing the rounds: it is false. AM wanted to sell the Vanquish chassis, but the asking price was far too high: one figure I heard was "over £25m" for the IP, machinery, etc.
there is no way MMC would consider spending that on a chassis that, it can be argued, is no better than the existing Aero S5 Chassis.

I am 100% sure the new chassis has been developed between Morgan and Radshape and will be unique to MMC.

I'm also certain, as Peter is, that the car will not be using JLR engines.
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#559951 - 15/02/19 02:28 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Peter J]
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Originally Posted By Peter J
Originally Posted By Jens
In Auto-Motor-Sport they say the new frame is quite possible from Aston Martin:


this rumour has been doing the rounds: it is false. AM wanted to sell the Vanquish chassis, but the asking price was far too high: one figure I heard was "over £25m" for the IP, machinery, etc.


Apparently the sale for $26m is documented in Aston Martin's accounts as part of their recent IPO.

So the sale is true but as far as I know the identity of the buyer is still a mystery.
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#559961 - 15/02/19 03:15 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Chris99]
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Originally Posted By Chris99
Originally Posted By Peter J
Originally Posted By Jens
In Auto-Motor-Sport they say the new frame is quite possible from Aston Martin:


this rumour has been doing the rounds: it is false. AM wanted to sell the Vanquish chassis, but the asking price was far too high: one figure I heard was "over £25m" for the IP, machinery, etc.


Apparently the sale for $26m is documented in Aston Martin's accounts as part of their recent IPO.

So the sale is true but as far as I know the identity of the buyer is still a mystery.


Geely?
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#559968 - 15/02/19 03:52 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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The traditional steel ladder framed chassis range will continue for the foreseeable future.
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#559976 - 15/02/19 04:11 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Graham, G4FUJ]
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Originally Posted By Graham, G4FUJ
The traditional steel ladder framed chassis range will continue for the foreseeable future.


That makes a lot of sense.
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#559992 - 15/02/19 04:35 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Graham, G4FUJ]
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Originally Posted By Graham, G4FUJ
The traditional steel ladder framed chassis range will continue for the foreseeable future.


With which engines? For sale in which markets?

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#560003 - 15/02/19 04:58 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: P Dron]
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At present with the current engines.
Further ahead, I have no idea, you'd need to ask the Marketing/Sales chaps.
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#560012 - 15/02/19 05:05 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Graham, G4FUJ]
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Originally Posted By Graham, G4FUJ
The traditional steel ladder framed chassis range will continue for the foreseeable future.


Not exactly sure why but I do find it reassuring that they are not moving totally away from their roots, possibly more important will be the pricing of these they should still be strikable for the enthusiasts thumbs .

Thanks Graham smile
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#560018 - 15/02/19 05:31 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Graham, G4FUJ]
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At present with the current engines.
Further ahead, I have no idea, you'd need to ask the Marketing/Sales chaps.


But that is the problem, isn't it? For example, the very good 1.6 Sigma engine in my 2015 4/4 does not comply with the latest EU emissions regulations. I believe the same applies to the Plus 4's engine. And they cannot simply drop new engines in...

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#560076 - 15/02/19 09:06 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Peter J]
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Originally Posted By Peter J
Originally Posted By Jens
In Auto-Motor-Sport they say the new frame is quite possible from Aston Martin:


this rumour has been doing the rounds: it is false. AM wanted to sell the Vanquish chassis, but the asking price was far too high: one figure I heard was "over £25m" for the IP, machinery, etc.
there is no way MMC would consider spending that on a chassis that, it can be argued, is no better than the existing Aero S5 Chassis.

I am 100% sure the new chassis has been developed between Morgan and Radshape and will be unique to MMC.

I'm also certain, as Peter is, that the car will not be using JLR engines.


Well they won’t have been employing ex Lotus chassis engineers for the past few years if they were then going to purchase a chassis from another manufacturer!
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#560085 - 15/02/19 09:19 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: P Dron]
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Originally Posted By P Dron
But that is the problem, isn't it? For example, the very good 1.6 Sigma engine in my 2015 4/4 does not comply with the latest EU emissions regulations. I believe the same applies to the Plus 4's engine. And they cannot simply drop new engines in...

I'm not sure whether the 1.6 Sigma engine does not comply or whether it has simply not been homolgated under the new rules. In any case it would not surprise me enormously to see it replaced by something of a smaller capacity with a turbo wink

It is, after all, the current trend and very few manufacturers now have naturally aspirated engines in their product lineup. If you were a small producer you would be looking for a supply of engines that are already homolgated under the new rules.
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#560090 - 15/02/19 09:36 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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I guess the Sigma engine, because it is a NA engine of traditional built, without direct injection even if it has variable cams can not meet the new requirements. The only seriously taken NA engine which passes the latest requirements is the Mazda NA sky...em...somthing technology.

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#560097 - 15/02/19 09:45 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Jens]
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Originally Posted By Jens
In Auto-Motor-Sport they say the new frame is quite possible from Aston Martin:

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/neuheiten/morgan-sportwagen-aston-martin-vanquish/

I hope the new frame is not for the 4/4 and +4. For me, a real Morgan is a new built vintage car with a modern engine and gearbox. With ladder-frame (same design since 1936), leafspring suspension, kingpings, wooden body frame, slim coachwork.

So the new +8, or this new roadster is not a real Morgan for me in the same way a Porsche Cayenne is not a real Porsche.


Okay, MMC has a development backlog of many decades. That's what makes these cars so attractive and unique. But if they want to sell in the future, they have to adapt in the meantime.

When the 911 was released in 1964/65 many Porsche fans reacted shocked and said that this is not a Porsche. Only a 356 is a real Porsche.
I can well understand, Jens, what you like about a Morgan. There are enough traditional Morgan that you can buy used for a long time...

And it is due to the skill of MMC that a new technically modern model is also accepted and reflects the inner values of a Morgan.

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#560101 - 15/02/19 09:55 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Gambalunga]
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But that is the problem, isn't it? For example, the very good 1.6 Sigma engine in my 2015 4/4 does not comply with the latest EU emissions regulations. I believe the same applies to the Plus 4's engine. And they cannot simply drop new engines in...

I'm not sure whether the 1.6 Sigma engine does not comply or whether it has simply not been homolgated under the new rules. In any case it would not surprise me enormously to see it replaced by something of a smaller capacity with a turbo wink

It is, after all, the current trend and very few manufacturers now have naturally aspirated engines in their product lineup. If you were a small producer you would be looking for a supply of engines that are already homologated under the new rules.



I agree with all that and there are several efficient engines that would fit nicely into a Trad. But the problem is that the homologation process makes that difficult for small-scale car manufacturers. The MMC cannot just replace the Sigma engine with something else and get it rubber-stamped for next week.

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#560127 - 15/02/19 11:08 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: P Dron]
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Originally Posted By P Dron
Originally Posted By Gambalunga
Originally Posted By P Dron
But that is the problem, isn't it? For example, the very good 1.6 Sigma engine in my 2015 4/4 does not comply with the latest EU emissions regulations. I believe the same applies to the Plus 4's engine. And they cannot simply drop new engines in...

I'm not sure whether the 1.6 Sigma engine does not comply or whether it has simply not been homolgated under the new rules. In any case it would not surprise me enormously to see it replaced by something of a smaller capacity with a turbo wink

It is, after all, the current trend and very few manufacturers now have naturally aspirated engines in their product lineup. If you were a small producer you would be looking for a supply of engines that are already homologated under the new rules.



I agree with all that and there are several efficient engines that would fit nicely into a Trad. But the problem is that the homologation process makes that difficult for small-scale car manufacturers. The MMC cannot just replace the Sigma engine with something else and get it rubber-stamped for next week.


If the replacement engine meets current Euro standards then I would have thought they could. At the worst they could be IVA'd until the Low Volume Exemption (or whatever it is called these days) gets sorted?
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#560214 - 16/02/19 12:17 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Rovert]
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Originally Posted By P Dron
Originally Posted By Gambalunga
Originally Posted By P Dron
But that is the problem, isn't it? For example, the very good 1.6 Sigma engine in my 2015 4/4 does not comply with the latest EU emissions regulations. I believe the same applies to the Plus 4's engine. And they cannot simply drop new engines in...

I'm not sure whether the 1.6 Sigma engine does not comply or whether it has simply not been homolgated under the new rules. In any case it would not surprise me enormously to see it replaced by something of a smaller capacity with a turbo wink

It is, after all, the current trend and very few manufacturers now have naturally aspirated engines in their product lineup. If you were a small producer you would be looking for a supply of engines that are already homologated under the new rules.



I agree with all that and there are several efficient engines that would fit nicely into a Trad. But the problem is that the homologation process makes that difficult for small-scale car manufacturers. The MMC cannot just replace the Sigma engine with something else and get it rubber-stamped for next week.


If the replacement engine meets current Euro standards then I would have thought they could. At the worst they could be IVA'd until the Low Volume Exemption (or whatever it is called these days) gets sorted?


It is not as simple as you imagine, alas.

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#560225 - 16/02/19 01:00 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Taffmog]
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500-600bhp in that weight - Ultima territory - that's going to take some work to adapt to as even the Aero owners enjoy the lazy torque more than the rev-the-furrys-off-it of the current cars. Geneva needs to come sooner.
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#560233 - 16/02/19 01:48 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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#560312 - 16/02/19 09:05 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Taffmog]
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Even a V12 Brian! smirk2 - the new model really does move the Morgan Trad into the modern age, whilst retaining the essence of the marque imho. 🙌

As you say not long now to the Press Days at Geneva, can’t wait for the reception...
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#560322 - 16/02/19 09:57 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Taffmog]
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You could be dead right 😂
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#560338 - 16/02/19 10:51 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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#560426 - 17/02/19 02:22 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Taffmog]
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I discounted the idea when Autocar stated that the car would fit between the roadster and the Aero S5 / +8.
The BMW 4.4L "Hot V" N63 is offered in various states of tune from 444 to 591 bhp, which is hardly between the two models mentioned.

But a new 600 bhp V8 Aero S6 would be an interesting proposition!
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#560430 - 17/02/19 02:40 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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I don't think there would be a problem wearing out the rear tyres on that one Peter.
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#560443 - 17/02/19 03:53 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: PaulV]
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But a new 600 bhp V8 Aero S6 would be an interesting proposition!


I never thought I would end up saying this - but don't you think 600bhp in something of that weight would be too much of handful ?

I have got a Cobra with 400bhp and a weight of 1200kgs and a C63s Cabriolet which has 500 bhp and a weight of 1730kgs and both of them feel like they have got on the limit of what is enough. The amount of torque on the Merc (as a result of being turbo charged) means in the wet it is virtually impossible to get out of a junction quickly and spends an enormous amount of time with the traction control kicking in.

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#560537 - 17/02/19 08:06 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Aeroman]
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Or even a V12 .


What happened to the NDA you signed?
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#560582 - 17/02/19 10:57 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Alistair]
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I don't think there would be a problem wearing out the rear tyres on that one Peter.


Ssssh!

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#560631 - 18/02/19 09:21 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: asbojohn]
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Or even a V12 .


What happened to the NDA you signed?

Oops, shouldn’t have let that slip... laugh2
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#560643 - 18/02/19 10:14 AM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Gambalunga]
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Originally Posted By Alistair
I don't think there would be a problem wearing out the rear tyres on that one Peter.


Ssssh!

. Is that why they call it an AERO?
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#560670 - 18/02/19 12:23 PM Re: Autocar spies new Mog! [Re: Ray]
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Is that why they call it an AERO?

No. There are bubbles in the glue.
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