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Shocking news - it's electric #556928
31/01/19 11:57 AM
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Personally as an exponent of EV's, even this surprised me

WhatCar Car of the Year, is the Kia e-Niro
280 odd miles on the latest tougher WLTP range test & 80% recharge on 54 mins

I understand there are a lot of anti EV views on TM, but for me it proves even the mainstream manufacturers are serious


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Re: Shocking news - it's electric [Re: CooperMan] #556929
31/01/19 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted By CooperMan
Personally as an exponent of EV's, even this surprised me

WhatCar Car of the Year, is the Kia e-Niro
280 odd miles on the latest tougher WLTP range test & 80% recharge on 54 mins

I understand there are a lot of anti EV views on TM, but for me it proves even the mainstream manufacturers are serious


That's seriously impressive, isn't it? Amazing the progress that's being made.


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Re: Shocking news - it's electric [Re: CooperMan] #556933
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Nothing wrong with an EV and the manufacturers are serious.

But they need to get charging infrastructure to match.

ICE engines all have a common refuelling technology, available anywhere and it takes no time at all.

Until all EVs have a common charging technology and I can have one fitted at my home I'm not going to change. Nor will car rental firms or other big users.


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Re: Shocking news - it's electric [Re: CooperMan] #556946
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Not against EV , as Peter J says the devil is in the detail as usual !


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Re: Shocking news - it's electric [Re: CooperMan] #556948
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Good news at last a smaller car with realistic range capability, once the charging infrastructure catches up these should sell well.

Tesla had it sorted from day one with an attractive car and good range with charging stations - the only problem being they have yet to make any profit as I understand it !


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Re: Shocking news - it's electric [Re: CooperMan] #556952
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As battery technology and ranges increase so will the need for high power mains supplies for fast home charging. Most don't have the mains supply infrastructure which will likely involve three phase.


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Re: Shocking news - it's electric [Re: Richard Wood] #556953
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Originally Posted By Richard Wood
As battery technology and ranges increase so will the need for high power mains supplies for fast home charging. Most don't have the mains supply infrastructure which will likely involve three phase.


My home charge point shoves in 7.5kW and will fully charge my new version larger battery pack in about 5hrs, so I just bung it on overnight, whilst downing breakfast I can pre-condition via the mobile app, & if it's still plugged in, it takes juice from the mains to keep range full, when I set off to work it's defrosted and toasty warm inside !


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Re: Shocking news - it's electric [Re: CooperMan] #556964
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Originally Posted By CooperMan
Originally Posted By Richard Wood
As battery technology and ranges increase so will the need for high power mains supplies for fast home charging. Most don't have the mains supply infrastructure which will likely involve three phase.


My home charge point shoves in 7.5kW and will fully charge my new version larger battery pack in about 5hrs, so I just bung it on overnight, whilst downing breakfast I can pre-condition via the mobile app, & if it's still plugged in, it takes juice from the mains to keep range full, when I set off to work it's defrosted and toasty warm inside !


7.5 kW is the current bottom end of fast charging but still takes around 33 amps max (allowing for AC to DC losses) from presumably single phase so ideally requires 40 amp cabling and breakers, i.e. 10 mm2 cables. OK if you already have a 10kW power shower I guess but pushing the limits for anything more powerful.

Note Tesla have already seen the need for their 120 kW Superchargers for rapid charging. That's 170 amps AC from each of three phases! OK very unlikely you would want such at home but puts the topic in perspective.

Another aspect to consider is the collective AC power draw on a housing estate for example. Many years ago it was noted a big surge in demand when each of the popular TV soaps finished as householders turned on their (3kW) electric kettles for a cuppa. Imagine the surge when we all plug in our upwards of 7kW EV chargers in the evening, and not just for a minute. Present supply infrastructure won't cope.


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Re: Shocking news - it's electric [Re: CooperMan] #556965
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Smart charging infrastructure is already being planned. This will enable vehicle charging to be phased in line with supply availability and will also enable vehicles to return power to the grid if connected at times of peak demand.

National Grid have some publications which are useful. The most basic one is here.


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Re: Shocking news - it's electric [Re: Peter J] #556971
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Originally Posted By Peter J
Nothing wrong with an EV and the manufacturers are serious.

But they need to get charging infrastructure to match.

ICE engines all have a common refuelling technology, available anywhere and it takes no time at all.

Until all EVs have a common charging technology and I can have one fitted at my home I'm not going to change. Nor will car rental firms or other big users.



A very common sense post about this subject. I recently had a heated discussion with a dealer about this and he just wouldn't accept that our infrastructure needs to be updated and enlarged to cope and even then, although EV's are good at the point of use what about the poor sods who have to live next to the power station?


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