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lockheed 4 piston caliper #558065
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Good afternoon all, I need the front brake calipers overhauled/remanufactured on my 2004 4/4. They went off to Brake Engineering two weeks ago but have been returned as they cannot get the boot seals. I wondered if anyone has had theirs repaired recently and who they used.

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Try Bigg red LTD . I have used them for different cars.

Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: springerbob] #558074
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For almost any Morgan brake parts I use Powertrack Brakes. Haven't let me down yet!

http://www.powertrackbrakes.co.uk/caliper.html


Andy G
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Thanks 'Old Man', they were on the list as was BCS, however I've just spoken with a firm called Classic Car Automotive (thanks Phil at BHM) who are confident they have the parts and can do the job. Watch this space.

Rob M.

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Thanks Andy, I sourced some O.E.M rear wheel cylinders from Powertrack at the end of last year. Unfortunately they don't do remanufacture only parts.

Rob M.

Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: springerbob] #558083
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If you get stuck Rob, in a week or two I'll be disposing of a pair of calipers from my 2005 Roadster and they are still in good condition.

I just need a nice warm day to make a start on my upgrade.


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Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: springerbob] #558086
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Originally Posted By springerbob
Good afternoon all, I need the front brake calipers overhauled/remanufactured on my 2004 4/4. They went off to Brake Engineering two weeks ago but have been returned as they cannot get the boot seals. I wondered if anyone has had theirs repaired recently and who they used.


It's the classic Austin Princess caliper so should be available

For re-sleeving, I use Past Parts tel 01284 750729


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Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: springerbob] #558102
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Hi, just rebuilt my 4 pot callipers! I took them to Bigg Red just below Worcester and after a good eyeballing of the bits I was given kit number BR203806. Mr Bigg Red said it was the same kit as for Austin Ambassador 1982 - 84 (unsuccessful successor to Austin Princess) but I supose it could do both. The kit was identical to the bits I took out and also includes the gallery seals. These are the square section seals that join the two halfs of the callipers together. Without these you can't separate the two halfs which makes the rebuild more difficult. Talking to the guy from Powertrack, his kit does not have these gallery seals and he did not know where to source them. They will also rebuild for you. Full marks to Bigg Red. 01905 428793 calipers@biggred.co.uk (no financial interest, other bigg reds may be available etc. etc.). swear mad evil mad2 swmbo uk


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Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: springerbob] #558103
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I will bare that in mind Dave, thankyou. A warm day in a couple of weeks, let's hope so.

Reference the Austin Princess connection Jon

Apparently they are similar to the princess caliper but not the same. The princess caliper is a 'dual system with a link pipe' whist the Morgan unit has a piston seal with a 'scraper ring'. None of which means a great deal to me but I am assured it is so. Indeed if you look at the princess calipers on e-bay the drillings appear to be in different locations. Besides a simple equivalent just wouldn't be Morgan would it.

Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: DaveW] #558107
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Originally Posted By DaveW
If you get stuck Rob, in a week or two I'll be disposing of a pair of calipers from my 2005 Roadster and they are still in good condition.


Are you going to drive without brakes? smile


John

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Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: springerbob] #558108
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Thanks for that Bob I had always believed them to be Princess one's.
Good luck with the fix.


Regards Richard

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Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: Felix42] #558141
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Originally Posted By Felix42
Originally Posted By DaveW
If you get stuck Rob, in a week or two I'll be disposing of a pair of calipers from my 2005 Roadster and they are still in good condition.


Are you going to drive without brakes? smile


Well it wouldn't be the first time.


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Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: springerbob] #558153
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rofl


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Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: springerbob] #558171
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Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: springerbob] #558184
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Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: springerbob] #558188
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Originally Posted By springerbob
I will bare that in mind Dave, thankyou. A warm day in a couple of weeks, let's hope so.

Reference the Austin Princess connection Jon

Apparently they are similar to the princess caliper but not the same. The princess caliper is a 'dual system with a link pipe' whist the Morgan unit has a piston seal with a 'scraper ring'. None of which means a great deal to me but I am assured it is so. Indeed if you look at the princess calipers on e-bay the drillings appear to be in different locations. Besides a simple equivalent just wouldn't be Morgan would it.


Very interesting, because they take Princess pads, from your era right up to current MMC production


Jon M
Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: Calypso Red] #558196
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Originally Posted By Calypso Red
Hi, just rebuilt my 4 pot callipers! I took them to Bigg Red just below Worcester and after a good eyeballing of the bits I was given kit number BR203806. Mr Bigg Red said it was the same kit as for Austin Ambassador 1982 - 84 (unsuccessful successor to Austin Princess) but I supose it could do both. The kit was identical to the bits I took out and also includes the gallery seals. These are the square section seals that join the two halfs of the callipers together. Without these you can't separate the two halfs which makes the rebuild more difficult. Talking to the guy from Powertrack, his kit does not have these gallery seals and he did not know where to source them. They will also rebuild for you. Full marks to Bigg Red. 01905 428793 calipers@biggred.co.uk (no financial interest, other bigg reds may be available etc. etc.). swear mad evil mad2 swmbo uk


Thanks for the supplier tip off, never heard of Bigg Red before, but they're in my supplier database now


Jon M
Re: lockheed 4 piston calipers [Re: CooperMan] #558386
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Originally Posted By CooperMan


Thanks for the supplier tip off, never heard of Bigg Red before, but they're in my supplier database now

You're welcome, I'm always happy to pass on info which can keep our cars on the road.


Calypso Red
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Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: springerbob] #561192
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Thanks for all your suggestions, in the end I went with the BHM recommendation and sent the calipers off to Classiccar Automotive Ltd in Chelford Cheshire 01625860910. They went off Friday mid day by Parcel force 48. CcA received them on the Monday and phoned Friday to tell me they were done and if I would like to pay them some money they would send them off that afternoon. I received them the following Monday morning.

The calipers have been completely refurbed, with only the castings remaining from the original, and pressure tested way beyond normal operating pressures. I was given the exact figure but it escapes me. I do recall the word thousand some where in there. The finish is electroplated 'gold' which I believe is as O.E.M.

The total cost was £226.20 consisting of £170.00 for the refurb, £18.50 p.p. and insurance (via DPD) and £37.70 vat. plus the £22.00 it cost me to send them to CcA

I also replaced the brake hoses with a pair of braided lines from Mulfab. at £62.04 inc p.p and vat. Intially I tried Goodrich but although they list hoses for a Morgan 4/4 they couldn't confirm they would fit my model year without first seeing the originals.

Mulfab on the other hand new exactly what I wanted and I had them the next day.


Other parts used were set of EBC DP243 pads direct from EBC at £28.14 inc yet more p.p and vat.

One Braymann BBA4001 fitting kit from Parts in Motion (ebay)
at £5.99 free delivery (woohoo!)

1.5 litres of Paget DOT4 brake fluid from Euro car parts at £15.46 (collected).


regards Springerbob.

Re: lockheed 4 piston caliper [Re: springerbob] #561273
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Sounds like a busy weekend ahead


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Already done Jon. Just waiting the opportunity to go for a long test drive.

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