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#559415 - 12/02/19 06:39 PM Re: These models don't come to market too often. [Re: +8Rich]
Craig Jezz Offline

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Geof, that is one lovely looking Mog 👍
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#559417 - 12/02/19 06:43 PM Re: These models don't come to market too often. [Re: +8Rich]
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I love it that the 1.8 4/4 has the older rear axle which is a tad narrower. So the back of the car looks more in line than the todays 4/4 with the relatively wide wings at the rear. The opposite happens at the front, the current 4/4 looks narrower than the 1.8 4/4. Both effects add and therefore the older 1.8 looks more balanced vs. the current 4/4 which looks more trapezoidal.

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#559418 - 12/02/19 06:44 PM Re: These models don't come to market too often. [Re: Heinz]
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Originally Posted By Heinz
We still have the 450SL which shall be sold this spring. When I’m perfectly honest, the rumble, and she has a nice exhaust which amplifies the rumble but in a civilized manner, can become too much from time to time. It's great to be starting up, but on a longer tour I don't like knocking anymore.
The 4/4 has never got on my nerves. The six cylinder in-line engine of the 1968 blue Mercedes 230 is a work of poetry.

I have never driven a 4/4 1.8, but I can imagine that it fits perfectly to the car. And as you can see everywhere, it is enormously upgradable. Since it is a modular system, can you combine such a 1.8 4/4 with a Mazda gearbox, without too much effort?


I have never driven a 1.8 4/4 either Heinz and that is a very good point about swapping out the Ford box for a Mazda which could only improve things I would have thought.


You will miss that 450 rumble wink
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#559432 - 12/02/19 07:25 PM Re: These models don't come to market too often. [Re: +8Rich]
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I now have a 4/4 1.8. the biggest gripe I have is the mid range lack of torque. Fifth gear is no more than an overdrive. Keep the revs singing and gears three and four are majic. Quickly reaches the Rev cut off at 7000. Don't think you get an extra Rev ( bloody electronics ). Probably my problem is stepping down from a +8 .but the car is still a joy to drive with it's light weight steering.


Edited by Ray (12/02/19 07:27 PM)
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#559435 - 12/02/19 07:31 PM Re: These models don't come to market too often. [Re: +8Rich]
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I quite like my Ford box other than the stick is a bit high. I must have the one good one smile

The first free mod to do with the 1.8 Duratec is to whip the restrictor off the throttle body woohoo
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#559436 - 12/02/19 07:34 PM Re: These models don't come to market too often. [Re: Ray]
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Really appreciating your opinions here Ray as I wrestle a possible change decision.

It's the soundtrack and endless torque that win it for me, I can cope with 23mpg through my retirement years it's all about the fun you have not the length of run laugh2
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#559447 - 12/02/19 08:10 PM Re: These models don't come to market too often. [Re: Rog]
Heinz Offline

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Originally Posted By Rog
I quite like my Ford box other than the stick is a bit high. I must have the one good one smile

The first free mod to do with the 1.8 Duratec is to whip the restrictor off the throttle body woohoo


Others here have got more than 180 HP out of this engine without using TBs. I‘m confident you could enhance the performance. I like mods like to free the TB of restrictions because it is just a Ford intervention to save the hierarchy of models and nothing more.

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#559454 - 12/02/19 08:19 PM Re: These models don't come to market too often. [Re: +8Rich]
Ray Offline

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Originally Posted By +8Rich
Really appreciating your opinions here Ray as I wrestle a possible change decision.

It's the soundtrack and endless torque that win it for me, I can cope with 23mpg through my retirement years it's all about the fun you have not the length of run laugh2
. Difficult choice, mine was sort of forced on me when the clutch started to slip.... couldn't face taking another Morgan engine out.
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#559465 - 12/02/19 09:07 PM Re: These models don't come to market too often. [Re: +8Rich]
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Originally Posted By +8Rich
Originally Posted By Heinz
We still have the 450SL which shall be sold this spring. When I’m perfectly honest, the rumble, and she has a nice exhaust which amplifies the rumble but in a civilized manner, can become too much from time to time. It's great to be starting up, but on a longer tour I don't like knocking anymore.
The 4/4 has never got on my nerves. The six cylinder in-line engine of the 1968 blue Mercedes 230 is a work of poetry.

I have never driven a 4/4 1.8, but I can imagine that it fits perfectly to the car. And as you can see everywhere, it is enormously upgradable. Since it is a modular system, can you combine such a 1.8 4/4 with a Mazda gearbox, without too much effort?


I have never driven a 1.8 4/4 either Heinz and that is a very good point about swapping out the Ford box for a Mazda which could only improve things I would have thought.


You will miss that 450 rumble wink


I'm not so spoiled it has to be the Mazda gears. My Roadster series 2 and 3 also had a Ford Transit circuit and I thought it was ok. Rustic and fitting to the Morgan. Only, the ratio of the gears was not the best.

I also don't know if the 1.8 4/4 had a different Ford gear box than the early Sigma 4/4. I would only be interested in the gear ratio matching the car. And in this respect the Mazda Box is super good.

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#559473 - 12/02/19 09:52 PM Re: These models don't come to market too often. [Re: Heinz]
+8Rich Offline

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Originally Posted By Heinz
Originally Posted By +8Rich
Originally Posted By Heinz
We still have the 450SL which shall be sold this spring. When I’m perfectly honest, the rumble, and she has a nice exhaust which amplifies the rumble but in a civilized manner, can become too much from time to time. It's great to be starting up, but on a longer tour I don't like knocking anymore.
The 4/4 has never got on my nerves. The six cylinder in-line engine of the 1968 blue Mercedes 230 is a work of poetry.

I have never driven a 4/4 1.8, but I can imagine that it fits perfectly to the car. And as you can see everywhere, it is enormously upgradable. Since it is a modular system, can you combine such a 1.8 4/4 with a Mazda gearbox, without too much effort?


I have never driven a 1.8 4/4 either Heinz and that is a very good point about swapping out the Ford box for a Mazda which could only improve things I would have thought.


You will miss that 450 rumble wink


I'm not so spoiled it has to be the Mazda gears. My Roadster series 2 and 3 also had a Ford Transit circuit and I thought it was ok. Rustic and fitting to the Morgan. Only, the ratio of the gears was not the best.

I also don't know if the 1.8 4/4 had a different Ford gear box than the early Sigma 4/4. I would only be interested in the gear ratio matching the car. And in this respect the Mazda Box is super good.




Interesting, the Ford gearbox in the Sport was fine after about 3,000 miles although the ratios were totally wrong for the power unit, I haven't driven a Morgan with the Mazda box but certainly the MX5 box is smooth.
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