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Morgan S1 Roadster versus Modern Plus 8 Trad #558943
10/02/19 08:35 AM
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So I've had my S1 Roadster for 8 years now. It's a great car and even though the sump caught a stone last year and all the oil ran out (slowly!) I still love it. But.. as my first and only Morgan now I'm wondering: is this it, or do I "trade-up" to a s/h Plus 8 Trad? Aero's won't fit in my garage, and anyhow they are a little bling for me.. and there seems no point in going to the 3.7 Roadster.
Maybe this one.. but I'd have to change the dashboard, and what can be done with the horrible steering wheel!

http://www.bowkermotorgroup.co.uk/ribble-valley/used-cars/car-details/SP13CBO

For those of you that have driven both - what are your thoughts? Sometimes a change is just a disappointment.. like a couple of members who wrote in regretting selling their Plus 4's and buying a Roadster!

Oliver S.

Last edited by Cineman; 10/02/19 08:38 AM.
Re: Morgan S1 Roadster versus Modern Plus 8 Trad [Re: Cineman] #558944
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Will that fit in your garage? It’s an Aero chassis. Nice looking car though and the dash and steering wheel can be improved on.


John
1936 Austin Seven Ulster Replica
Re: Morgan S1 Roadster versus Modern Plus 8 Trad [Re: Cineman] #558951
10/02/19 09:03 AM
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Aero 8: (new)
4147mm x 1751mm x 1248mm
Plus 8 (new):
4147mm x 1770mm x 1248mm (Wider than an Aero??)
Roadster:
4010mm x 1540mm x 1120mm

Yes you are right - length seems the same as an Aero 8, and a little wider. Mmm.. better get out the tape measure! Never sure whether to trust these online dimensions..

Thanks!
Oliver.

Re: Morgan S1 Roadster versus Modern Plus 8 Trad [Re: Cineman] #558968
10/02/19 10:10 AM
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I have the latest Roadster as 1720mm wide. The S1 either 1620 or the same 1720mm with optional wheels.

Plus 8 and Aero 1751mm width.


Richard

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Re: Morgan S1 Roadster versus Modern Plus 8 Trad [Re: Cineman] #558978
10/02/19 10:31 AM
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Thanks Richard - I expect your figures are more accurate..

Last edited by Cineman; 10/02/19 10:31 AM.

Oliver S.
Re: Morgan S1 Roadster versus Modern Plus 8 Trad [Re: Cineman] #558985
10/02/19 10:48 AM
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Cineman

Like a number of Morgan owners I have had a few beginning in '83 with a 4/4 which was replaced in "97 with another and subsequently a Plus 4 in '98. It was only in 2016 that I changed for a S3 Roadster and only then because the French wouldn't allow me an engine swap. The Roadster is a joy as you know but I share your indecision. I have just ordered a 110 P4 because there was something about my old uprated P4 that I miss and I can see that the new P4 might provide a base for development and, because for thirty odd years I have always thought that I would love to be able to order a new car. Still I won't be able to keep both and I actually don't want two cars as I have other interests. I think sometimes that we do need to be careful what we wish for and that change can be disappointing or perhaps, it is the idea of a change that ultimately disappoints. Was it Chesterton who said that he continued to have appetite because he wasn't dead? Maybe that's it. All the best with whatever you choose to do. “Trying to be happy by accumulating possessions is like trying to satisfy hunger by taping sandwiches all over your body. Another apt quote of his.

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Re: Morgan S1 Roadster versus Modern Plus 8 Trad [Re: Cineman] #558997
10/02/19 11:15 AM
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Oliver

To go back to your original question "what the differences between a Series 3 Roadster and a Trad +8" , I think you can sum them up in a few words , exhaust note and low down torque.

The exhaust note of the full V8 is melodious and addictive, especially with a Librands (or similar) exhaust system. You will really enjoy driving through tunnels and changing gears "just for the hell of it" . I like the Roadster very much , but another Morgan enthusiast summed the experience up pretty well . "The Roadster sounds like chamber music, the +8 is the full orchestra."

The low down torque is what makes the +8 so relaxing to drive, you can boot it up through the gears if you want to listen to the engine note , or you can leave it in 5th and just surf the torque wave. I guarantee this is the most important difference you will notice while driving.

You will miss the 6 speed gearbox , but really 5 is enough. You may miss the higher revving nature of the V6 as the V8 rarely needs to go above 5,000 rpm. Most other things will be remarkably similar.

The sump is much higher on the +8 , so although you still need to treat speed bumps with respect, they are not quite the heart-in-mouth experience that they are in a Roadster.

You would be going from a newer car to an older one , so make sure that you buy one that has been well cared for and not been hibernating for long periods. As the trad +8 became extinct in 2003/4 most of them should have at least 30k miles, and preferably more.

Other than that it will be a very subjective decision based on personal choice and preferences.

Good luck


Andy G
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Re: Morgan S1 Roadster versus Modern Plus 8 Trad [Re: Cineman] #558999
10/02/19 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted By Cineman
So I've had my S1 Roadster for 8 years now. It's a great car and even though the sump caught a stone last year and all the oil ran out (slowly!) I still love it. But.. as my first and only Morgan now I'm wondering: is this it, or do I "trade-up" to a s/h Plus 8 Trad? Aero's won't fit in my garage, and anyhow they are a little bling for me.. and there seems no point in going to the 3.7 Roadster.
Maybe this one.. but I'd have to change the dashboard, and what can be done with the horrible steering wheel!

http://www.bowkermotorgroup.co.uk/ribble-valley/used-cars/car-details/SP13CBO

For those of you that have driven both - what are your thoughts? Sometimes a change is just a disappointment.. like a couple of members who wrote in regretting selling their Plus 4's and buying a Roadster!

Oliver S.



Oliver , I hate to say it but the only way to answer this question is to test drive the ones you might like and only you will then know the answer. Its not boring doing test drives , you won't regret it.


Geneva 2016 plus 8' The Green Godess' 4 side exits .


Re: Morgan S1 Roadster versus Modern Plus 8 Trad [Re: Cineman] #559002
10/02/19 11:53 AM
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You are so right.. but right now the cars I want to drive are hundreds of miles away.. and this forum is the next best thing! Maybe someone here in Devon has one and I could go over and swop cars!
Thanks for your thoughtful post (Andy G), but I am referring to the Aero +8 trad - my mistake as I don't know what it is officially called!


Oliver S.
Re: Morgan S1 Roadster versus Modern Plus 8 Trad [Re: Cineman] #559006
10/02/19 12:32 PM
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Oliver,

I have one, and live near Salisbury. Happy to meet up for a chat and test fit in your garage! PM me if you are interested.

We had an S2 Roadster for 2 years, the Plus 8 since 2014.
Differences... the roadster is a traditional Morgan, with about as much power as any Morgan Trad needs. I consider the 3.7 roadster over powered.
The Aero +8 is essentially a modern car that looks like a traditional Morgan. It is quick, comfortable and an all day GT touring car. It isn't really a classic sports car.
The chassis is able to manage the power, the brakes also. I love it to bits. Ours had covered close to 40,000 miles and in the summer it is a daily drive. I have no intention at all of changing it, though I will try the new whatever it is going to be called.

I agree, the dash is horrid. Changing the dash is possible, but VERY expensive as most, if not all the cars have a drivers airbag in the steering wheel and a passenger airbag where the glove compartment would be. So specialist knowledge and equipment is needed to remove the bags. Once done you can fit what you like. I have the later steering wheel, whilst not perfect it is far better than the horrible thing on the early ones.



The big difference between the Aero Plus 8 and the S3 and S4 Aeros is the weight distribution: the Plus 8 has virtually no weight behind the rear axle line, whereas the Aeros have body work and boot, plus fuel. So the car is more like a front/mid engined car as almost all the weight is between the front and rear axles.

Another noticeable difference is the cabin width, there is a lot more arm/shoulder room as the Plus 8 doors are much thinner than the Aero doors with their wind up windows.

Cheers,

Last edited by Peter J; 10/02/19 12:42 PM. Reason: add photo

Peter,
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